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8 minutes ago, Mike P said:

I've never tried it but does the 50 note limit apply if you export an entire notebook? In the notebook screen right click and choose export or use the three dots menu.

No limit - the entire notebook is exported

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Thanks for nothing. In one swoop you have completely destroyed my workflow and 7 years worth of an information database. Many moons ago with the idiotic limitation of 250 notebooks I was forced t

You destroyed Evernote with this new version. Why don't you think twice about ***** people's lives? Everything that has changed has changed for the worse. I have been using it since 2012. The worst ve

Clugey, slow, and my colored tags are gone. Are there any alternatives that I can  transfer my Evernotes into?

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2 hours ago, DTLow said:

No limit - the entire notebook is exported

Please keep in mind that there is still an export problem with titles containing comma's...

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Today I have cancelled my 7 years lasting premium account. Unfortunately Evernote forced me to look for another tool, due to the disaster of the last 2 years which ends in an unstable, slow and unconfident tool and loss of data. But the good thing is, .. I have found a new tool which is offers me a lot of more options, which is really fast and smart, .. and provides a complete document management on top: DEVONthink

It caused me many hours to bring all my evernote notes into DevonThink, .. but now I am happy that the evernote disaster has an end for me.

I wish you all good luck and hope the best for you!

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40 minutes ago, Markus (Graz) said:

DEVONthink

Still an Evernote Legacy user, but I like the Devonthink app    
I'm really into scripting and appreciate the heavy Applescript integration

Warning     
- It's Apple only (Mac/IOS) and no web access    
- Make sure you backup your data   
  There's no sync to a server maintaining a master data version

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I am so disappointed in the new evernote.  I was part of the beta - I provided so much feedback and i'm fairly certain it was ignored.  I have years of evernote - and am a paying user.  I dont' know what to do next - i supposed I could just use the free note taking ability that Microsoft includes with my paid for office subscription.  

 

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On 11/5/2020 at 2:18 AM, neverever said:

I've implemented GTD on EN for all my work life and personal life workflows.  Every project, task, checklist, reminder, todo, plan, list, history, reference, dreaming, whatever you call it, whatever you name it, is in EN.  This is across Win, Mac, and iOS, and I've become a completely "paper less" person in doing so, and have been a subscriber for the past 10+ years.  I've endorsed and recommended EN to anyone and everyone, and preached how GTD on EN has changed my life, and like they say become "Mind like Water".   Now, I have to seriously rethink this to make it technology and future proof, but I'll come up with something.  I'm looking on Reddit for posted alternatives, but nothing sticks yet...I'll letcha know if I'm successful?

I'm with you on this totally.  The new version is a mess.  I use the previous version on an older Mac and it's a far better experience.  This is a case of 'if it ain't broke don't fix it'.  Trouble is, Evernote has you by the short and curlies — especially if you've been a devotee for a decade or more. So much of people's lives is now embedded in the Evernote universe that to give it up would be mentally painful, let alone a waste of time.  I'm really stuck as too what is best to do. Re-instate my scanner and printer, and make more use of iCloud I guess . . . . 

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On 3/9/2021 at 12:36 PM, DTLow said:

Still an Evernote Legacy user, but I like the Devonthink app    
I'm really into scripting and appreciate the heavy Applescript integration

Warning     
- It's Apple only (Mac/IOS) and no web access    
- Make sure you backup your data   
  There's no sync to a server maintaining a master data version

I looked at Devonthink and found it to be nonsensical.  Note taking is meant to be just that, not re-inventing the wheel . . .  why do app developers make everything overly complicated?  Most of the real world hasn't got a clue about "s c r i p t i n g" or "c o d e".  I hate being so dismissive, but I have an aversion to geeks who haunt the corridors of these forums waiting to patronise those who are just trying to get through the day with a little mental pain as possible.

With every respect to you, but would your mother understand this statement:

 

" There's no sync to a server maintaining a master data version"

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The story so far:

No ability to change the keyboard shortcuts so I can use shortcuts set up to use on my Mac, such as entering today's date in a specific format.

Cannot access Stacks when moving notes within its own edit window.

Moving 1500 notes from said stack to my Work Notebook takes forever because Evernote can't cope with more than 50 notes at a time.

And yet we can send a spaceship to Mars.

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On 11/10/2020 at 3:13 PM, DavidJR said:

OMG! I cannot believe that I wake up and get to work and have to spend hours trying to get this latest version to work! The date cannot be inserted in the title! This is critical as I have a diary and title each note by the date. I am sure many others do the same and now I cannot use the keyboard shortcut to add the date. 

Also, I do not want to have a preview window. I want all my notes to show and then to double click whatever note I want to pop out and work on. I have already spent an hour trying to get rid of the preview window with no success. 

 

On 3/9/2021 at 12:36 PM, DTLow said:

Still an Evernote Legacy user, but I like the Devonthink app    
I'm really into scripting and appreciate the heavy Applescript integration

Warning     
- It's Apple only (Mac/IOS) and no web access    
- Make sure you backup your data   
  There's no sync to a server maintaining a master data version

 

On 12/2/2020 at 7:45 AM, WilliamL said:

I truly don’t get the hysteria around the legacy app which exists in these forums. What is this mysterious bug people speak of that means you need support and won’t get it? It’s stable. It’s getting exhausting now cause here’s the thing - if you want to leave, that is your choice, no judgement, we are customers and have the right to use what we feel suits us best. 

You have a Premium subscription but somehow think its OK for those of us who also have a Premium subscription to put up with something that's effectively outdated? What are we, second class citizens or something? We pay a subscription to look forward to improvements and a better product, not to be told to stick with an unsupported "legacy" product.  Sorry, but this is making me very angry.

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3 minutes ago, jmshrrsn said:

Why should Premium subscribers have to put up with this "go back to the legacy version".  This is criminal.

Because legacy version is much better than the new one, and as far as I'm concerned, it's currently the only way to keep on using EN.

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9 minutes ago, jmshrrsn said:

Why should Premium subscribers have to put up with this "go back to the legacy version".  This is criminal.

I don't know about "criminal", but I find it a useful solution to the Version 10 problems
I wish we had the same solution for IOS

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8 hours ago, jmshrrsn said:

With every respect to you, but would your mother understand this statement:

Probably not, but my mother had many other talents
And at the age of 80, she asked me to get her a computer and learned how to use it

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28 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

The shortcuts can be changed, the option is in the help menu.

Sorry, but they can't.  Only Evernote's "Global Shortcuts".  I use Command and Backspace to insert the date but that is fixed in Evernote to add a tag.

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15 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I don't know about "criminal", but I find it a useful solution to the Version 10 problems
I wish we had the same solution for IOS

But being told to use the legacy version is like spending £30k on the latest spec GTi and then being told to drive last year's model.

 

 

 

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Just now, jmshrrsn said:

But being told to use the legacy version is like spending £30k on the latest spec GTi and then being told to drive last year's model.

 

 

 

App developers have to stop making a big song and dance about a new version and getting people to update when, despite beta testing, it still doesn't function correctly.  This is the kind of attitude that brings down airliners.

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10 minutes ago, jmshrrsn said:

I see that you can no longer export to HTML.  That's handy.

We've been told additional export options are imminent - no timetable given     
I use the html option for my backups (Legacy)

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7 minutes ago, jmshrrsn said:

I see that you can no longer export to HTML.  That's handy.

Only if you don't use Legacy...

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jmshrrsn commented - I looked at Devonthink and found it to be nonsensical.  Note taking is meant to be just that,

I'm a hard core Devonthink fan and agree with you. For myself DT is a Swiss army like tool that I use to store tons of content from all over. Its part tool and part hobby which most user don't want in their apps. :) 

However - If someone asked for a notebook recommendation - DT wouldn't make the list.

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Note: DT is Mac & iOS only. It installs locally, with a cloud sync option. It is not a server based software, which means you must take your own precautions to run backups. Mac users will do this with TimeMachine, not difficult to set up.

DT requires significantly more learning effort than EN, which is paid of by a more customizable, powerful tool. The iOS client is not as complete as the EN mobile client.

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As a loyal (so far...) premium user I have decided to stick with the "legacy" version as long as I am not forced to update.

UNTIL / IF the new "experience" version is fixed to be somewhat usable.

Let's see. I'm not holding my breath.

 

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31 minutes ago, tjsuominen said:

As a loyal (so far...) premium user I have decided to stick with the "legacy"

I don't think it's a question of loyalty - I'm doing the same,  and it's on the basis that there's no point in getting involved in researching a new client / converting (or not) my existing database of notes / and learning how to use said new client as well as I can currently use Evernote (the 'old' version). 

That's just practicality* - why do extra work unless you absolutely have to?

*..and laziness;  but its efficient laziness...

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16 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

DT requires significantly more learning effort than EN, which is paid of by a more customizable, powerful tool. The iOS client is not as complete as the EN mobile client.

interesting comment, which I had heard before as well, however having migrated all my data from EN to DT last october due to all this V10 mess I must say, that, in fact, I started using DT almost exactly the same way I used EN. my initially required learning curve was pretty minimal.

gradually unlocking and starting to use all this new (for me) additional functionality has been and still is taking me time, but to me that's actually exciting and adding plenty of benefits for my workflow(s)..:-)

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EN and DEVONthink are unique, and difficult to compare to one another or other apps, so it’s probably best to think about it like this: look for something (or some combination of somethings) that solves your problems with the least amount of effort/stress/money. Compare the apps that way. The solution you choose will probably seem like it requires less effort, because it is working for you.

I’d say DT has far more depth, but you can choose whether you want to dig into it or not—I think that within seconds you’ll have everything you need up and running (backups with TimeMachine, databases in the cloud just like with Evernote, smart rules to automatically file everything for you, AI to suggest locations for files, and no limits (upload, file size, database size, etc.)). It’ll even import Evernote in a format that (in my opinion) is better than Evernote’s own export. The iOS app is phenomenal. Show me another app that has zero-knowledge encryption for your entire database and can sync without wifi (if you want). Amazing, but, as gaz said, why bother fiddling around with something else if your workflow is good enough?

EN, even in its current state, probably still checks a lot of boxes for a lot of people. I know I really appreciate several of its features. I posted a while back in this thread about letting my premium subscription lapse. I did that for a couple weeks, and then bought another month of premium with EN to iron out some wrinkles in my workflow (legacy). I’ll be a freemium user soon, and that’ll last until the equation changes for my situation. EN used to be well-suited to my workflow (or a decade plus of use has made me well-suited to it), but not so much anymore, and their plans / development priorities make it even less likely to fit my needs in the future. Too bad for me, but they surely have their own reasons. Loyalty is a nice quality to have, but this isn’t a virtual feudal state in which our Silicon Valley overlords require us to bend the knee and pledge fealty to their apps (in this analogy the legacy app might be the Hand (Ned in GoT) and the new app might be... Oh no). I recommend saving the “hate” for something else besides a lackluster update. Instead, I’d say we ought to thank the EN developers for their tremendous effort, point out what does or doesn’t work for you, and  figure out what app(s) best suit your needs.

 

 

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The “upgrade” removed, permanently, some key functions and broke the workflow for many.  Hating the update is certainly justified.

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I'm another long-time EN premium user who came here in search of wisdom to improve the experience of using encryption on EN.  The comments here convinced me that EN will not soon support the basic function I am looking for: encrypt a plain text attachment using my desktop windows EN app, and be able to decrypt and view on my android EN app. On the desktop I maintain the file as a GNU PGP encrypted file. The security hole I have been putting up with for years was that encryption in EN requires me to first paste the file contents as plaintext, then encrypt - so EN may try to sync the note before it was encrypted.

The good news is that I found a very good solution that closes the security hole, too - attach the GPG file directly to my EN note, and with the  android OpenKeyChain app installed, EN invokes it when I select the attachment and I can decrypt and view easily - simpler workflow and better security solution.

I'm staying an EN premium because I like many of the other features, but encryption has been an annoyance and the 10.x versions of EN made it (almost) unbearable. 

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5 hours ago, s2sailor said:

The “upgrade” removed, permanently, some key functions and broke the workflow for many.  Hating the update is certainly justified.

Of course, everyone can respond as they would like, but my recommendation was not to invest such strong emotions into it.

I found it helped to step back from it, consider it in relation to my use case, and uninstall it :) If I could have escaped from the iOS update as well, I would have, but we’re stuck with that.

But, this pattern of rolling out an update before it is ready has happened before. We’ve both been around long enough to be wary. In my case, once it became clear that even if Evernote’s stated aspirations for the app matched the reality, it’d still be a terrible fit for me, the decision about what to do was easy.

In other words, hating on the update (I think I have some fairly acerbic posts out there) wasn’t productive, but re-evaluating my workflow was.

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Yes, it's official, the new Evernote is completely rubbish! The previous Evernote was bad, and lacked for example the ability to create subfolders within Notebooks, but the latest version is just complete junk! All the features that sped thinks along like the Outlook plugin and right clicking on a file to Send it to Evernote have gone. Right click functionality on Notebooks has gone. Haven't you heard you're supposed to make apps better not worse!

Personally I'm finding it impossible to work with the new Evernote, it's functionality is so backward that I'm giving up on it, I won't replace it and will instead rely on back my work folder up and email files to a 2.5" hard drive on a weekly basis instead, just a shame I won't be able to share that readily with my remote colleagues, maybe there's a Microsoft Office solution work investigating, at least that will integrate with my apps.

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The new web client is getting really good :) And the Android client is being improved faster now than it ever has been :) I wonder where they'll both be in a year ?

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

The new web client is getting really good :)

I think you must be in the wrong forum. The mantra here is everything about V10 is bad and everything about the legacy version is good 😉

In my opinion progress is being made although there are still bugs/missing features which mean I do not yet have 100% confidence in using V10 all the time. It is still not fast enough in both the speed that it executes commands and the ease of doing stuff (e.g. number of clicks). The steady flow of releases is encouraging (12 releases since Oct  28th) although the continued failiure to address some bugs (that I consider serious) is disappointing.

I think in a year EN will have morphed from being just a note keeping app to a full blown productivity app which includes seamless integration between notes, tasks etc. It will pull together everything you need to do with all the information you need to do it. Much more like Notion than OneNote, but still fundamentally note based and familiar.

That won't please some people and if they just want a note taking app they should probably jump ship now.

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5 hours ago, Mike P said:

I think in a year EN will have morphed from being just a note keeping app to a full blown productivity app which includes seamless integration between notes, tasks etc. It will pull together everything you need to do with all the information you need to do it. Much more like Notion than OneNote, but still fundamentally note based and familiar.

This is an optimistic version of a future prediction.
Pessimistic is that because EvN is focusing on only some features, but not on overall coherent (advanced) user experience, reliability, and quality assurance it will simply collapse...
I'm guessing, that we will see something like a mix of both: a nice try, but...

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16 minutes ago, Kolmir said:

This is an optimistic version of a future prediction.

If I wasn't optimistic I'd have left months ago 😃

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1 hour ago, Kolmir said:

This is an optimistic version of a future prediction.

My optimism is becoming strained  😐
That doesn't mean I've become a hater
just not a Version10 user; I continue to be an Evernote Legacy user with no issues

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8 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

The new web client is getting really good :) And the Android client is being improved faster now than it ever has been :) I wonder where they'll both be in a year ?

Can't confirm the web client as I haven't been able to access it as yet, for whatever reasons, six months into the process.  IOS has definitely improved since it was put upon me, a good thing.  Still has some idiosyncrasies, thankfully I use it 99% for simple look up.

Have not gone to Windows desktop as yet as core functionality for me has not returned.  Maybe more problematic though are the continued reports on these forums of speed issues with Win Desktop V10.  Slow and productivity app don't fit in the same sentence.  Fix the speed issues and there is some hope.

Re the web, began the log in before starting this post to see if V10 was there.  It just logged in.  🤷‍♂️

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Given how much of the competition has nested notebooks, including apps built on Electron as v10 is, it seems to me this feature is quite feasible to add.

And given the desire of the vast majority of EN users for this feature, providing it early on in v10 would have been a great win for a version that has been mired in controversy.

That it hasn't been added in the initial release or the many subsequent updates makes me wonder if the holdup is v6/Legacy. Might it be that they need to stop syncing v6/Legacy before they can change the architecture to support nested notebooks? 

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Just now, tavor said:

Given how much of the competition has nested notebooks, including apps built on Electron as v10 is, it seems to me this feature is quite feasible to add.

And given the desire of the vast majority of EN users for this feature, providing it early on in v10 would be a great win for a version that has been mired in controversy.

That it hasn't been added in the initial release or the many subsequent updates makes me wonder if the holdup is v6/Legacy. Might it be that they need to stop syncing v6/Legacy before they can change the architecture to support nested notebooks? 

Nested notebooks ain't going to happen. it would break existing clients (of which there are hundreds). Nor would I want nested notebooks -- they'd just complicate things.

 

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20 minutes ago, tavor said:

And given the desire of the vast majority of EN users

What is your source of this data? A relatively small number of vocal users of these forums does not constitute "the vast majority of users". I agree with @ehrt74 they'd just complicate things and if you want a hierachical structure  tags do a really good job.

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2 hours ago, tavor said:

makes me wonder if the holdup is v6/Legacy.

Off topic, but I don't see it as a holdup    
Nested tags have long existed without being available on all platforms

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... and since v10, nested tags are supported on all clients. The feature was added to the mobile clients as well, making its use universal over all new generation clients.

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Nested notebooks IMHO don't "make sense" (a book inside a book) and very quickly raises complications, but I could imagine the scenario where you might have a group of books that you could "collapse" like a folder in a file system navigator and you could maybe put groups into groups if you really wanted, and from a tech point of view you'd add a piece of metadata to the notebook called "parent" which old clients could ignore, then make a new class of object for the groups. Providing clients ignore unknown metadata fields (or maybe the API has a way of telling whether or not to include that bit of data) it should be possible to implement without breaking old clients.

By having groups ONLY containing groups and notebooks you avoid breaking and complicated issues like notebooks and notes at the same level inside the same container...

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36 minutes ago, Brian Handscomb said:

Nested notebooks IMHO don't "make sense" (a book inside a book) and very quickly raises complications, but I could imagine the scenario where you might have a group of books that you could "collapse" like a folder in a file system navigator and you could maybe put groups into groups if you really wanted, and from a tech point of view you'd add a piece of metadata to the notebook called "parent" which old clients could ignore, then make a new class of object for the groups. Providing clients ignore unknown metadata fields (or maybe the API has a way of telling whether or not to include that bit of data) it should be possible to implement without breaking old clients.

By having groups ONLY containing groups and notebooks you avoid breaking and complicated issues like notebooks and notes at the same level inside the same container...

Evernote really can't change its APIs. There are hundreds of integrations with these which rely on the APIs being rock-solid. This is a blessing and a curse. On the one hand, you can be fairly sure that the legacy apps will still work fine 20 years from now, on the other hand, Evernote just can't do a number of new things.

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6 hours ago, Mike P said:

What is your source of this data? A relatively small number of vocal users of these forums does not constitute "the vast majority of users". I agree with @ehrt74 they'd just complicate things and if you want a hierachical structure  tags do a really good job.

LOL, you are living in fantasy land. There's a reason many note apps have nested notebooks. And even among EN users, this is a highly requested feature for as long as Evernote has been around.

Telling me about tags is preaching to the (very tiny) choir. I have no desire for nested notebooks, and use very few notebooks, and do not use notebooks to categorize by subject matter, but I also recognize that I am in a tiny minority of users.

No less an authority than the current CEO has said that only 2% or 5% (I think he's used both figures in different comments post v10 release) of users are using tags. He wasn't referring to nested tags, but tagging in general. I think it's safe to assume that nested tag use is going to be a small fraction of general tag use. 

2 hours ago, Brian Handscomb said:

Nested notebooks IMHO don't "make sense" (a book inside a book) and very quickly raises complications, but I could imagine the scenario where you might have a group of books that you could "collapse" like a folder in a file system navigator and you could maybe put groups into groups if you really wanted, and from a tech point of view you'd add a piece of metadata to the notebook called "parent" which old clients could ignore, then make a new class of object for the groups. Providing clients ignore unknown metadata fields (or maybe the API has a way of telling whether or not to include that bit of data) it should be possible to implement without breaking old clients.

By having groups ONLY containing groups and notebooks you avoid breaking and complicated issues like notebooks and notes at the same level inside the same container...

By golly, you better tell Microsoft and Apple they're doing it all wrong with their folders inside folders and allowing folders to contain both files and folders. The horror! 

6 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Nested notebooks ain't going to happen. it would break existing clients (of which there are hundreds). Nor would I want nested notebooks -- they'd just complicate things.

 

Ah, now we're getting to the crux of the matter, and the entire point of my earlier post. We have a highly requested feature that much of the competition implements, we have a new app in need of a big 'win', we have a new CEO who clearly isn't wedded to tags (in contrast to Phil Libin), and 10(?) updates into v10, we still don't have nested notebooks. Why not? Probably because it would break old clients.

There are few things I'm more certain of regarding Evernote's future than that the green elephant will get nested notebooks. It's just a matter of moving users off the old clients. Right now they are constrained because v10 is such a disaster, but once most of the significant bugs have been removed and the feature set has been enhanced to put it near the same level as Legacy, EN is going to force the hand of the Legacy stragglers.

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2 hours ago, Brian Handscomb said:

Nested notebooks IMHO don't "make sense" (a book inside a book)

Too skeuomorphic; notebooks and tags are simply metadata fields, and could be named anything

>>maybe put groups into groups if you really wanted

I've been looking at the Devonthink product
No Notebooks - just Groups (with Tags being a special type of Group)

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1 hour ago, tavor said:

 

LOL, you are living in fantasy land. There's a reason many note apps have nested notebooks. And even among EN users, this is a highly requested feature for as long as Evernote has been around.

Telling me about tags is preaching to the (very tiny) choir. I have no desire for nested notebooks, and use very few notebooks, and do not use notebooks to categorize by subject matter, but I also recognize that I am in a tiny minority of users.

No less an authority than the current CEO has said that only 2% or 5% (I think he's used both figures in different comments post v10 release) of users are using tags. He wasn't referring to nested tags, but tagging in general. I think it's safe to assume that nested tag use is going to be a small fraction of general tag use. 

By golly, you better tell Microsoft and Apple they're doing it all wrong with their folders inside folders and allowing folders to contain both files and folders. The horror! 

Ah, now we're getting to the crux of the matter, and the entire point of my earlier post. We have a highly requested feature that much of the competition implements, we have a new app in need of a big 'win', we have a new CEO who clearly isn't wedded to tags (in contrast to Phil Libin), and 10(?) updates into v10, we still don't have nested notebooks. Why not? Probably because it would break old clients.

There are few things I'm more certain of regarding Evernote's future than that the green elephant will get nested notebooks. It's just a matter of moving users off the old clients. Right now they are constrained because v10 is such a disaster, but once most of the significant bugs have been removed and the feature set has been enhanced to put it near the same level as Legacy, EN is going to force the hand of the Legacy stragglers.

No, no, no.

A file system (and i think you probably want to refer to Unix rather than "apple" and "microsoft") is not a note-keeping application.

There are literally hundreds of existing clients. Moving customers from evernote #LASTVERSION to evernote #CURRENTVERSION wouldn't help here.

Evernote cannot break legacy. I'm not sure how many times I have to keep saying this. Breaking legacy could only happen if there are changes in the API.

Most customers I imagine are using a number of notebooks and then search for the notes they need.

I also imagine that technical has configured sharding so that the contents of a single notebook are always on the same shard. This trick gets more difficult to pull off if you are allowed to nest notebooks as deeply as you want.

This is the problem with big data: changes have an immense cost.

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Currently notebooks don’t exist as an independent entity. Each note belongs at any time to exactly one notebook (and be it the trash notebook). A notebook can contain many notes, which only means many notes can point to the same notebook. This relation is called 1:n.

All functions, all searches are build around this. When you create nesting, you need to build an independent „superstructure“ of notebooks. Which means you need to rewrite probably the whole code base, clients and backend (server software).

Frankly I’ve had enough of this during the last 6 months for probably the next 10 years.

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1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

All functions, all searches are build around this. When you create nesting, you need to build an independent „superstructure“ of notebooks. Which means you need to rewrite probably the whole code base, clients and backend (server software).

Do you think EN rewrote the entire codebase for v10 and NOT build in a pathway to add nested notebooks? 

If Libin was still the CEO, I would find that plausible. With Small, a CEO who claims that only a tiny minority of the userbase uses tags, I find it impossible to believe.

The writing is on the wall. Evernote will get nested notebooks.

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1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:

you need to build an independent „superstructure“ of notebooks.

Using Tags as a model   
1) Add field Parent-Notebook to the records in the Notebook table    
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2) Modify the UI to use the nesting (replaces the Stacks code)

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The new Evernote is not that terrible, however there is some glaring thing that still stand out.

Take a look at this:

 

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They put a picture of a colour wheel in the UI, as they know that colours are important for marking and highlighting areas.

 

Yet only give you like 5 options of colours, not even a yellow, that is in the colour wheel icon!

And they took away colours we once had! I'm sure Microsoft Word 98 had colour wheel and hex 0-255 choice!


Why???

 

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Seems we have topic drift here from the heading: "Hate the new Evernote"

I do hate the new Evernote and just uninstalled it, using Revo Uninstaller and at the same time deleted all the amazing junk left behind by the various versions over the years with "Search Everything", (an essential free app) .

(Why can't any developers write and uninstaller that takes off *everything* they have piled onto people's machines over a number of versions?  Seems few can, thus the market for Revo and the need to hunt the last scraps down manually.)

The major reason I uninstalled *everything* was that after I installed the newest version of Evernote to try, I was finding Edge would restart itself in a small window every time I shut it down and since the only thing I had done before that started was install Evernote, I guessed that a faulty installer had left a call to  Edge active and that call was never cancelled.  (I was right).

All I left was the database.  Then I rebooted. and installed the legacy version which thankfully is still available. 

I had tried the preview some time back, tried it, and found it lacking, so I had uninstalled it and continued with the original version until the other day when I was concerned about the lack of updates and installed the latest version, assuming it must be better by now.  Wrong. Very wrong.

I gave it a fair try, but found it very awkward and counterintuitive.  Too much hunting and clicking.  Bad visual organization, lacking customizability, flexibility, or even an options panel!

Search was not finding all items then I'd find a filter on invisibly, one I had not set, recently anyhow. 

I was away from fast cheap Internet and waited until I was on high speed to take a chance and purge the computer and roll back to the tried and true version. 

Today I did the deed and my fears of a glitch or data loss proved unfounded.  Everything works like before and Edge behaves properly now.

If Evernote continues in the current direction, I'll have give up my premium subscription and find an alternative but as long as the old version is secure and operates, I'll likely stick around.  I think, though, that EN would be smart to continue a bit of work on that old branch to ensure security in light of any developing threats because it is well-loved.  Also, if the database needs altering, altering the old version or an up/down converter might be a solution to incompatibility. 

The mention of the web client I read above above was interesting to me because it presents a way to watch the new version without installing that kluge on my machine.

Thanks, folks, for all your comments. 

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4 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Evernote cannot break legacy. I'm not sure how many times I have to keep saying this. Breaking legacy could only happen if there are changes in the API.

 

12 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Nested notebooks ain't going to happen. it would break existing clients (of which there are hundreds). Nor would I want nested notebooks -- they'd just complicate things.

 

I'm surprised at how certain you seem to be. I don't see why Evernote couldn't choose to break compatibility with legacy one day. They may choose not to, but it's not as if they are opposed to breaking user workflows and making big changes (witness v10 desktop rolling out in all its bug-filled and feature-removed glory, without even officially offering legacy at first! Not to mention the v10 mobile clients where Evernote has chosen not to offer an easy/official way to roll back to the legacy apps.

Additionally, a few years ago an Evernote developer/PM commented that they wanted to do nested notebooks but there were some deep architectural limitations that prevented them from doing so. As part of the lead-up to V10, the EN back-end underwent some deep architectural changes to allow them to do things that were not previously possible, and I'd be shocked if that doesn't include nested notebooks.

I don't personally have a need for them, but many people want them, and it's a continuing source of surprise and friction to new users who are used to that way of thinking (nesting documents deep into trees of folders in Dropbox and Google Drive, for example). Tags are great, but a smart product owner doesn't try to fight their customers' preferences unnecessarily. If tag usage is truly as low as Ian Small has indicated in recent interviews, then adding notebook nesting strikes me as smart.

Before I started using tags, I too was irritated that Evernote didn't support notebook nesting. I've long-since moved on to tags, but clearly not everyone has done the same.

 

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I'm surprised at how certain you seem to be. I don't see why Evernote couldn't choose to break compatibility with legacy one day. They may choose not to, but it's not as if they are opposed to breaking user workflows and making big changes (witness v10 desktop rolling out in all its bug-filled and feature-removed glory, without even officially offering legacy at first! Not to mention the v10 mobile clients where Evernote has chosen not to offer an easy/official way to roll back to the legacy apps.

Additionally, a few years ago an Evernote developer/PM commented that they wanted to do nested notebooks but there were some deep architectural limitations that prevented them from doing so. As part of the lead-up to V10, the EN back-end underwent some deep architectural changes to allow them to do things that were not previously possible, and I'd be shocked if that doesn't include nested notebooks.

I don't personally have a need for them, but many people want them, and it's a continuing source of surprise and friction to new users who are used to that way of thinking (nesting documents deep into trees of folders in Dropbox and Google Drive, for example). Tags are great, but a smart product owner doesn't try to fight their customers' preferences unnecessarily. If tag usage is truly as low as Ian Small has indicated in recent interviews, then adding notebook nesting strikes me as smart.

Before I started using tags, I too was irritated that Evernote didn't support notebook nesting. I've long-since moved on to tags, but clearly not everyone has done the same.

 

Indeed. It's as if he's only been here for a few months. EN has a long history of breaking workflows. What EN has shown repeatedly is if they believe they need to change something to stay relevant/competitive, they will do it no matter how much it disrupts things for their userbase. @ehrt74 I look forward to your sacred cow API being butchered. :P

Exactly - and none of the naysayers has addressed the point that the CEO himself is essentially saying that tags are a niche feature for power users. And everyone who has been here for more than a couple of months should know how much priority EN places on niche features used by power users. I'd bet a lot of money that Small doesn't view nested notebooks as similarly niche.

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7 hours ago, Paul A. said:

 

I'm surprised at how certain you seem to be. I don't see why Evernote couldn't choose to break compatibility with legacy one day. They may choose not to, but it's not as if they are opposed to breaking user workflows and making big changes (witness v10 desktop rolling out in all its bug-filled and feature-removed glory, without even officially offering legacy at first! Not to mention the v10 mobile clients where Evernote has chosen not to offer an easy/official way to roll back to the legacy apps.

Additionally, a few years ago an Evernote developer/PM commented that they wanted to do nested notebooks but there were some deep architectural limitations that prevented them from doing so. As part of the lead-up to V10, the EN back-end underwent some deep architectural changes to allow them to do things that were not previously possible, and I'd be shocked if that doesn't include nested notebooks.

I don't personally have a need for them, but many people want them, and it's a continuing source of surprise and friction to new users who are used to that way of thinking (nesting documents deep into trees of folders in Dropbox and Google Drive, for example). Tags are great, but a smart product owner doesn't try to fight their customers' preferences unnecessarily. If tag usage is truly as low as Ian Small has indicated in recent interviews, then adding notebook nesting strikes me as smart.

Before I started using tags, I too was irritated that Evernote didn't support notebook nesting. I've long-since moved on to tags, but clearly not everyone has done the same.

 

The Evernote API is used by thousands of clients, not just the official desktop and mobile softwares. There are hundreds of companies who have their whole workflow based on internal software which accesses Evernote's API. There is no way these will change. They are rock-solid.

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11 hours ago, tavor said:

Indeed. It's as if he's only been here for a few months. EN has a long history of breaking workflows. What EN has shown repeatedly is if they believe they need to change something to stay relevant/competitive, they will do it no matter how much it disrupts things for their userbase. @ehrt74 I look forward to your sacred cow API being butchered. :P

Exactly - and none of the naysayers has addressed the point that the CEO himself is essentially saying that tags are a niche feature for power users. And everyone who has been here for more than a couple of months should know how much priority EN places on niche features used by power users. I'd bet a lot of money that Small doesn't view nested notebooks as similarly niche.

Why are you actually here? Why do you 'look forward to my sacred cow API being butchered"? don't you have something better to do with your time than spend hours every day slagging off a software that you demonstratively do not use while all the time displaying your huge lack of knowledge of how software works?

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6 hours ago, Madflute said:

I am on Mac so I assume it Opt+Cmd+1 but that get me to the dashboard instead of all Notes.

You have quoted a very old post. To check the current keyboard shortcuts you can use ctrl-/ or you can now (from 10.9.10)  press the little keyboard icon at the bottom of the sidebar. The numbers work logically down the sidebar

alt-ctrl-1 Home

alt-ctrl-2 (all) notes 

alt-ctrl-3 is missing (probably reserved for tasks when that is released)

alt-ctrl-4 is notebooks - currently not working for me

alt-ctrl-5 is tags

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7 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Why are you actually here? Why do you 'look forward to my sacred cow API being butchered"? 

Since switching to another note app as my daily driver, I've been spending less time here. Popped in yesterday because it occurred to me that v6 might be a holdup to nested notebooks and wanted to have that discussion. That said, I still have *thousands* of notes in Evernote, so of course I want to be here. Plus, it's entertaining watching the slow motion wreck that is v10 - hard to look away actually! We are witnessing in real time what could be a business school case study. Fascinating stuff, IMHO.

And of course we cannot rule out the possibility that EN management successfully navigates this rocky period and emerges with a world class note app. So that's another reason to stick around. At the end of the day, I want to use the best note app for my needs, and given that this has been Evernote for many years, it would be foolish to dismiss EN as a permanently lost cause.

As for your sacred cow API, I really couldn't have cared less until you expressed such supreme confidence that EN would never ever do anything that would adversely affect the existing API. My observations from using EN and being on this forum for years tells me that you are wrong. But we shall see! 

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32 minutes ago, tavor said:

Since switching to another note app as my daily driver, I've been spending less time here. Popped in yesterday because it occurred to me that v6 might be a holdup to nested notebooks and wanted to have that discussion. That said, I still have *thousands* of notes in Evernote, so of course I want to be here. Plus, it's entertaining watching the slow motion wreck that is v10 - hard to look away actually! We are witnessing in real time what could be a business school case study. Fascinating stuff, IMHO.

And of course we cannot rule out the possibility that EN management successfully navigates this rocky period and emerges with a world class note app. So that's another reason to stick around. At the end of the day, I want to use the best note app for my needs, and given that this has been Evernote for many years, it would be foolish to dismiss EN as a permanently lost cause.

As for your sacred cow API, I really couldn't have cared less until you expressed such supreme confidence that EN would never ever do anything that would adversely affect the existing API. My observations from using EN and being on this forum for years tells me that you are wrong. But we shall see! 

"my sacred cow". Do you actually know what an API is? To the best of my knowledge Evernote has never deprecated an API. Never. How could your observations from using EN possible tell you that this is imminent? And moreover why are you so gleeful about the possibility of it happening?

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

"my sacred cow". Do you actually know what an API is? To the best of my knowledge Evernote has never deprecated an API. Never. How could your observations from using EN possible tell you that this is imminent? And moreover why are you so gleeful about the possibility of it happening?

Yes, my use of APIs is mostly in Google Sheets (via GAS). And you'll be shocked to know that sometimes the API's change, breaking the scripts that use them. Nothing is forever, not even green elephants and their APIs.

"Glee" is the wrong term. We have differing views on the sanctity of EN's existing architecture. I merely look forward to having my view vindicated. B)

Anyway, as I jumped back in to discuss the potential relationship between v6 and when we might see nested notebooks in v10, having done that, I'll jump back out. See you in April, unless something really interesting happens before then.

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

Do you actually know what an API is? To the best of my knowledge Evernote has never deprecated an API. Never.

I've made extensive use of scripting with the local APIs   
(no longer supported in the Version 10 product)    
Third party Backupery also uses those APIs

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10 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

The Evernote API is used by thousands of clients, not just the official desktop and mobile softwares. There are hundreds of companies who have their whole workflow based on internal software which accesses Evernote's API. There is no way these will change. They are rock-solid.

1) It's possible that they find a way to add nested notebooks in a non-breaking change.

2) Even if they don't, companies deprecate and change old APIs all the time. Just because Evernote has not done so recently does not mean that tomorrow they couldn't announce a change. With enough advance noticed the other users of the API will adjust.

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6 hours ago, Mike P said:

You have quoted a very old post.

Yes, sorry about that. This forum doesn't send out notification when my post has a response even though I have email notification selected in my profile.

Thank you for ⌘+/ shortcut. To my surprise, ⌘+1~9 is already assigned to random notes. How can I edit them? I can't find "edit shortcut" option. Thank you for your help.

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Ever since upgrading to the newest version of Evernote, as a paid user for several years.

I am ditching this broken piece of trash for good,.

My god, I don't even know where to begin. As a UX manager to begin with, there is ZERO chance the product team at Evernote isn't fully aware that they are releasing completely useless, bug-riddled trash whenever they push out an update.

Let's see, in half an hour today I found 4 or 5 notes that will not open on the Android app. All I get is a blank page whenever I try and view the contents. One or two of these are OFFLINE notes. The Android app is unbearably slow.

Aside from that, I edited a note today that is VERY long (been working on this file for weeks), Now when I log into Evernote there are 4 copies of the SAME file, each with different versions of itself, all conflicted, with no chance of me being able to decipher which of these files has which parts I edited today. Now I have to manually dig through this file in order to pick out the unique and most up-to-date parts of it. This is flat out unacceptable.

Aside from the fact that the Evernote text editor is the absolute text editing tool in the HISTORY of text editing tools ever created, and the fact this app is so riddled with bugs and horrible user experiences, I am ditching it and I will never pay for this service again.

Evernote continues to be my #1 example for every "What is the example of a company with the WORST User Experience you've ever seen?”

There's no contest that Evernote wins that contest every time.

I am sure there are a lot of "fan boys" who will jump all over me for saying these things, but I don't care. If this company had any concerns for their users they would not issue such a garbage product to us.

I am simply looking for alternatives to migrate away from Evernote over the next few months so I can uninstall and shut it down for good!

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Where you told you wouldn’t know where to begin, you missed your chance to stop.

Good luck in your search for alternatives - there are several threads in the forum about this. Conclusion: Pick whatever makes you feel good.

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3 hours ago, Madflute said:

Thank you for ⌘+/ shortcut. To my surprise, ⌘+1~9 is already assigned to random notes. How can I edit them? I can't find "edit shortcut" option. Thank you for your help.

ctrl 1-9 aren't assigned to random notes they are assigned to the first 9 shortcuts in your shortcuts list. You can change the order of the shortcuts by dragging them around in the sidebar. I've never found this very useful because I don't normally remember the number and I'm quite happy to point and click. I guess it does help those people who like ot do everything using the keyboard and not touch the mouse at all.

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4 hours ago, Paul A. said:

1) It's possible that they find a way to add nested notebooks in a non-breaking change.

2) Even if they don't, companies deprecate and change old APIs all the time. Just because Evernote has not done so recently does not mean that tomorrow they couldn't announce a change. With enough advance noticed the other users of the API will adjust.

generally companies support their paying customers and evernote has some very large paying customers who need a stable API. There are hundreds of companies out there whose internal tooling depends on the stability of Evernote's API. To the best of my knowledge, Evernote has _NEVER_ deprecated an API.

That being said, maybe they will find a way to add nested notebooks, though I find it unlikely.

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Whatever happened to Evernote...

Atlas view gone, external links don't work, internal links went from clear text to indecipherable links... and more.

After many years I am seriously look for an alternative 

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If the demise of Atlas is your problem, you took a while to find out.

For the links, EN is continuously improving the new clients. I have never seen so many releases as in the last 6 months, and with each one new features were added.

If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

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On 3/14/2021 at 1:00 PM, ehrt74 said:

evernote has some very large paying customers who need a stable API.

No snark, out of interest who might they be?

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> For the links, EN is continuously improving the new clients. I have never seen so many releases as in the last 6 months, and with each one new features were added. 

I sure have not seen anything I consider better or would want except may be better editing and I never lasted long enough to In trying a new version to find out if in fact the editing is better. 

> If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

Why would anyone ever do that?  Evernote is a tool, not a toy, for me at least.

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2 hours ago, allendick said:

> For the links, EN is continuously improving the new clients. I have never seen so many releases as in the last 6 months, and with each one new features were added. 

I sure have not seen anything I consider better or would want except may be better editing and I never lasted long enough to In trying a new version to find out if in fact the editing is better. 

> If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

Why would anyone ever do that?  Evernote is a tool, not a toy, for me at least.

How does that make it a toy?

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If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

 

This is incredible! I am truly ecstatic! Everything I have been suffering since the new Evernote is gone. All the Notes are opening with any latencies. 50+MB PDF are displayed. Work Chat is working as it used to be. This is truly incredible. Thank you! Thank you!

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5 hours ago, allendick said:

> If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

Why would anyone ever do that? 

Because currently legacy is the only version that runs flawlessly!

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8 hours ago, allendick said:

> If you are still missing a key function, you can install and run the legacy client side by side:

Why would anyone ever do that?  Evernote is a tool, not a toy, for me at least.

Because if you analyse the situation (new client with bugs and missing features with very frequent updates running alongside an old client that is still fully operational) you realise that most companies would describe V10 as a long term open beta. Once you realise that, you can relax and choose to use V10 if you want to or continue to use the fully operational old client (AKA legacy). EN have done themselves no favours in the way they have communicated this. If users realise that they have a choice and that V10 is very much a work in progress which they can participate in if they want to, it is a perfectly reasonable process.

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1 hour ago, Mike P said:

Because if you analyse the situation (new client with bugs and missing features with very frequent updates running alongside an old client that is still fully operational) you realise that most companies would describe V10 as a long term open beta. Once you realise that, you can relax and choose to use V10 if you want to or continue to use the fully operational old client (AKA legacy). EN have done themselves no favours in the way they have communicated this. If users realise that they have a choice and that V10 is very much a work in progress which they can participate in if they want to, it is a perfectly reasonable process.

Why use legacy version while mobile version of evernote is v10 and is buggy as hell...? What benefit has legacy version when you cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow... 

Evernote f*cked up big time for the users / customers who use their product within productivity workflow. Why pays €7 / $8 a month for only some basics features.. Nope... the whole EV stack is unstable and cannot be trusted. Wish I could write something positive, but i can't, new releases created new bugs again this week (android and W10)

Fortunately already switched to competitor, using EV as static DB until end of subscription.

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7 minutes ago, ArjenC said:

Why use legacy version while mobile version of evernote is v10 and is buggy as hell...? What benefit has legacy version when you cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow... 

Evernote f*cked up big time for the users / customers who use their product within productivity workflow. Why pays €7 / $8 a month for only some basics features.. Nope... the whole EV stack is unstable and cannot be trusted. Wish I could write something positive, but i can't, new releases created new bugs again this week (android and W10)

Fortunately already switched to competitor, using EV as static DB until end of subscription.

What do you mean by "cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow"?

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52 minutes ago, ArjenC said:

Why use legacy version while mobile version of evernote is v10 and is buggy as hell...? What benefit has legacy version when you cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow... 

I hadn't actually considered the mobile issue - I haven't updated them  so I am using the old versions. I understand that many people have no choice but to update and you cannot then go back. Mobile use (especially at the moment) is a very small part of my EN usage.

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What do you mean by "cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow"?

In year 2021 most people use mobile, different devices throughout a normal (working)day. Legacy is only a dedicated fixed version on one win/mac device and in modern way of working you will use different devices.

So it fixes only one device, the one with the legacy system if you can install it yourself. In companies this is not always possible. Even my software to keep up with the latest versions, wants to upgrade legacy Evernote.

And if this one device is fixed you use the V10 version on web or mobile, and these aren't bug free either. Why all the hassle in reverting versions when you know that part of your day you'll need to use the buggy apps.

Legacy only works if you are using 1 personal devices which you can control yourself. Like home pc/laptop/mac.. standard usages for storing some data for future references.. recipes / receipt.. 

But when you are depending on information at the moment you need it, Evernote fails again and again with version 10. 

Example: try finding document on mobile version when you are in a meeting and need some reference. Goodluck, once started (hopefully you don't receive a update) it is slow, opening attachment doesn't always work or even displays empty files. And yes, rebooting or reinstalling fixes it. But comone...

If it was only on my devices I could blame it on the user of the application, but have several colleagues and friends with same issues. Android / IOS / MAC / WIN all suffer issues, one more than the other.

Sorry 😒

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Maybe we use different apps ...

v10 on iOS is quite fun since 10.5. Works good, no severe issues any more. Only restriction: Slow on older devices. To the example above: My experience is that search works, and v10 is very fast compared to the versions before.

If I need my stuff independent from the quality of the internet connection, I download it, and be done. Works in flight mode, and is a good move when the internet connection is bad or intermittent like on a train.

v10 on the Mac does about 70% of what I do there. For the last 30% I still rely on legacy. This gap is closing with every release, currently top on my list are import folders for my scans, and improved support for multi-note-operations. It will never be „the same“ as legacy (the terminated features are known), but on the other hand it gains features that were not present on v10. Give and take, IMHO it is an improvement over the glacial development of the app before.

It will probably take some more release cycles on the Mac until I can easily stop using legacy.

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After trying to live with EN 10 on my Windows machine for the last few days, and after trying it three previous times, I've again gone back to the legacy version again. There are some small bugs that I could live with in the new version, but the lag issues continue. I know EN is working on the speed issues and I hope hope they get it figured out soon.

I read from a Level 3 member, wondering why people don't just move to another solution and stop whining. That's a fair question, but I think I can shed some light on that. I have been a power user of EN for 10 years and have found NOTHING that even comes close to it's capability and it's ability to keep things at my fingertips, no matter where I am or what device I am using. It still is the best solution for my needs, even if we had to stay with V 10. 

It would be fair to say that our frustration and discord arise from the fact that something that we've depended on for many years, is no longer dependable in the ways we need. And feeling like we're not being heard by EN is very frustrating. It's like loving someone for many years, only to find out they don't love you anymore. Yeh, it hurts and we're wondering how we move on. The response is visceral and emotional, only because it has been such an important part of our lives, for so long. If we didn't care, we'd shut up and move on. 

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Agreed, and well said, pgbobs

For me the GUI and lack of customization iin 10 is the deal breaker  The new GUI is hard to navigate and what i need is hard to access.  I am a mouser and shortcuts are a pain, especially since some may be in use by other software.

I only use the mobile app to consult content already in the files and to make small modifications.  Content creation takes place on a laptop. So the changes in the Android app don't bother me much.

I like the old GUI and have been able to adapt it to my needs.  I have made good use of the options in the legacy version but when I tried the new kluge, I could not find any way to reproduce my essential settings and found that simple tasks became difficult.

At that point, I cleaned computer of all residues from Evernote versions and the junk left behind and installed the legacy version.  I doubt I'll be tempted to try 10 again but am actively looking for something that works for me. 

 

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After 5 month of agony, finding out I can go back to Legacy version was ecstatic. Since yesterday, I am back to my happy Evernote life! All the lost functions are back, and the performance is back!

Now I am very curious. Can someone pitch me what's so great about the new Evernote ( Mac desktop version) about? I don't see it. To me, nothing about this new version is good.

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1 hour ago, Madflute said:

After 5 month of agony, finding out I can go back to Legacy version was ecstatic. Since yesterday, I am back to my happy Evernote life! All the lost functions are back, and the performance is back!

Now I am very curious. Can someone pitch me what's so great about the new Evernote ( Mac desktop version) about? I don't see it. To me, nothing about this new version is good.

Officially v10 is the only "supported" version. So I guess it has that going for it. The company has it own sound reasons for the shift to v10 but customer satisfaction doesn't seem high on their list. Releasing v10 in such an unfinished state has been pretty much a disaster.

You should bear in mind the company has clearly stated that they are making the Legacy version available for download but it is no longer a supported product and will only be available until v10 had reached some unspecified feature set. So your ability to download Legacy could end at any time. Are they specific on how long Legacy will be allowed to work or which Legacy features v10 will eventually support? No. Indeed, we've already seen some features are trimmed back substantially. So now some people who depend on particular Evernote features are using Legacy but also tracking v10 in hopes the beta period will end with it having the features they want/need.

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2 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Maybe we use different apps ...

Unfortunately we Android users have a different situation. I find the app almost unusable for editing and heavy text entry. The Android app is fine for viewing existing notes, so users who have that as their primary workflow probably also think it's fine. 

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1 hour ago, rts said:

Officially v10 is the only "supported" version

The Legacy product is still supported for data sync purposes

>>You should bear in mind the company has clearly stated that they are making the Legacy version available for download

And stated users should continue to use the Legacy Product if Version 10 interrupts the workflow
(Legacy download is only available for the Window/Mac platforms)

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6 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

What do you mean by "cannot use the product in a 2021 workflow"?

Pretty simple if I understand the question, what I could do in my 2020 workflow pre V10 I can not do in 2021. 

Mostly based on the desktop functional deficiencies (not to mention SPEED) for my use case.  I mostly use the IOS version for lookup and minor editing/adding so the improvements to date have made it passable though still a bit press heavy when not using shortcuts or saved searches. 

So Legendary desktop and V10 IOS and rarely 5.33 Browser for me.  Business as usual until Legendary sunsets, at which point there will or will not be agitation.  Hoping for the latter.

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3 minutes ago, DTLow said:

The Legacy product is still supported for data sync purposes

>>You should bear in mind the company has clearly stated that they are making the Legacy version available for download

And that users should continue to use the Legacy Product if Version 10 interrupts the workflow
(Legacy download is only available for the Window/Mac platforms)

Oh, there's no question that Legacy works. For now. It could continue to work fine for another decade or HQ could hit a kill switch tomorrow. But if you started having syncing problems tomorrow is there any doubt in your mind that making a support request would result in anything other than "You need to upgrade"?

In addition to Legacy for Macs and PCs the company has also (inadvertently) introduced Android users to the joys of sideloading as their route to a Legacy equivalent. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a public service or not.

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There is a conversion script online I used at one point to import Evernote database into OneNote but never did follow up. I figure if I have to learn a new product it won't be Evernote 10 unless there are big changes from what I see.

Considering how long this project has been underway and how little progress has been made, I have very serious doubts about Evernote's future. 

I don't understand the reasons for the complete GUI overhaul.  Maybe some routines needed updating and maybe some new routines and options could be added, but from my perspective the only major issue was the editing of notes.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Evernote has lost its way IMO, anyhow.

 

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47 minutes ago, rts said:

But if you started having syncing problems tomorrow is there any doubt in your mind ...

Tomorrow???   
I have no doubt that the Legacy product will be available for download and supported tomorrow

I have no doubt this support will stop at some point in the future   
At that time (or before), I will switch products
Our expectation/hope is the Version 10 product will be ready for general use; I'm monitoring the progress

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Well, I will not consider installing 10 again until I hear here that people love it and it is full-featured. 

Installing various versions with bad uninstallers leave a mess on my computer.  Besides, for me, Evernote is for working, not for trying and  tinkering .

Until I get the 'all clear' I am looking for an alternative that resembles the functionality of Legacy.  10 is not it.

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From another thread I have taken the information that we have the first legacy casualties: It was posted there that legacy is not running on M1-Macs, not under Rosetta 2 either. Can’t confirm due to a lack of the proper hardware - donations are welcome 😇

Probably the legacy programming is to special to be translated to the ARM platform.

So for everybody on a new Mac, it is v10-time. Which of course means as well, that without the new clients, nobody on a new Mac could even use EN (except the web client).

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1 hour ago, Paul A. said:

Unfortunately we Android users have a different situation. I find the app almost unusable for editing and heavy text entry. The Android app is fine for viewing existing notes, so users who have that as their primary workflow probably also think it's fine. 

I'm very happy with the v10 android app. it's a lot better than the old version for me.

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1 hour ago, allendick said:

There is a conversion script online I used at one point to import Evernote database into OneNote but never did follow up. I figure if I have to learn a new product it won't be Evernote 10 unless there are big changes from what I see.

Considering how long this project has been underway and how little progress has been made, I have very serious doubts about Evernote's future. 

I don't understand the reasons for the complete GUI overhaul.  Maybe some routines needed updating and maybe some new routines and options could be added, but from my perspective the only major issue was the editing of notes.

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Evernote has lost its way IMO, anyhow.

 

Evernote was a fundamentally broken product before v10. The web client was a joke, the mobile clients barely worked. Now the web client and android clients have much more functionality than before and are getting close to the desktop clients. This is immense progress in a very short time, and it would have been impossible had they not bitten into the sour apple and started from scratch with a unified app.

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1 hour ago, rts said:

Oh, there's no question that Legacy works. For now. It could continue to work fine for another decade or HQ could hit a kill switch tomorrow. But if you started having syncing problems tomorrow is there any doubt in your mind that making a support request would result in anything other than "You need to upgrade"?

In addition to Legacy for Macs and PCs the company has also (inadvertently) introduced Android users to the joys of sideloading as their route to a Legacy equivalent. I'm not sure if that qualifies as a public service or not.

Why do you think that Evernote could 'hit a kill switch' even if they wanted to? The Blackberry OS client works fine and that was last updated in 2015. As long as the client speaks correctly with the Evernote API it will continue to work, and the Evernote API is rock solid.

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There are a lot of official versions of the desktop clients you can download just by finding announcement posts on this forum... When I get back to working in my actual office I'll be happily "reverting" to using the installed v5.x Mac client for at least a while longer, and my personal Android phone has a v8.x client I think (thankfully can't run any v10)... These have been perfectly stable and usable for a very long time (Mac v5 a very very very ling time) and in terms of the Evernote service I would be VERY surprised if something broke them... But... I know v5 Mac breaks on Big Sur (crashes on launch), and v6 isn't that much better (some note lists don't work and the editor is odd), but it's not Evernote breaking these, it's the underlying OS... v7.x is okay, though every so often one of the helper apps crashes, but the app itself is as "okay"... Just same bunch of annoyances that I've had when trying v6/v7 before... tables that auto size to just a bit wider than edit window for example... No boundary between the note title and note content...

There are a few other third party apps using EN's API I have my eye on, so when my Mac life turns Big Sur throughout I'll probably switch away from official Mac apps... Found two that use Qt to allow multiple platforms to be based on the same code (one on EN's arguments for the rewrite) and I already use one on Linux... Wish EN had gone down the Qt route as I believe that could allow Mac, Windows, iOS and Android apps to be built from the same compiled code, leaving just the web client as "different"...

For people who point to the release "velocity" by the way, including EN themselves, I'm one of those people that think it's a bad thing... IMHO... I would much rather a heavily properly tested FEATURE COMPLETE release once or twice a year than a series of hasty half-baked releases... Let me get used to things... Along those lines... the "Home" feature... released as a "starting place", so still work in progress as I understand it, and in the FAQ is the question, can I disable it? No says the answer... Remember Context? A "missing feature" for some in v10... Introduced in v5.7 IIRC and for me it added clutter to the window so I turned it off... fancy that... a feature added that you can disable simply by going to the application preferences window... ;)

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9 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

It will never be „the same“ as legacy (the terminated features are known)

Would you be so kind as to point to a location where the terminated features are listed?

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