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This is my situation with Evernote.  I know the Legacy system works - I've been using it for some years now.  Still am.

If I have to change from it,  then I'll re-evaluate and consider my options.  But (MHO) all the "OMG it's a disaster" reactions are an irrelevance - there's an easy fix - just use Legacy.  

V10 should never have been released in the way (and in the state) that it was,  but I can understand that there were practicalities that had to be observed.  And - it happened already.

There really is no going back.  Except for Legacy.

I don't plan on trying version 10 until I absolutely have to,  because it will mess with my head and cause me work.

If it's still unusable then,  the one constant in life is that I'll still have stuff to do.  I'll find a way to get it done.  

This may,  or may not,  include Evernote.

Any speculation about their solvency,  intentions,  management style etc is just that.  Like most big companies Evernote don't discuss their intentions in advance.  There is no hard information.  They'll do whatever they decide is necessary.  All we can do is use the app,  or not. 

Your individual choice,  but I still am...

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You destroyed Evernote with this new version. Why don't you think twice about ***** people's lives? Everything that has changed has changed for the worse. I have been using it since 2012. The worst ve

Clugey, slow, and my colored tags are gone. Are there any alternatives that I can  transfer my Evernotes into?

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10 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Did it ever cross your mind that solving a situation very often can’t be reached by reversing course ?

I agree.

While the premature launch of EN 10 was a fiasco, each update has been getting better and better, and I can now do all my work on the new platform (on mac DT, not iOS). Tech support has been extremely helpful explaining how the new version works, and what is happening behind the scenes; these guys are great. For example, the dev. folks discovered a bug in Electron that was causing a problem with EN 10.

I share your confidence about the future of the app, and your frustration with the large number of users who seem to want to complain, rather than find a fix.

My 32,000 note collection is now behaving well on various mac's from OS 10.13.6 to 11.1. The only minor problem is a slow launch with a large database, so I just leave the app open all the time.

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23 minutes ago, gazumped said:

I don't plan on trying version 10 until I absolutely have to,  because it will mess with my head and cause me work.

Ditto here.  I accidentally updated EN on my iPad last week.  I had been ignoring there after the cluster when I updated my phone.  I accidentally pressed Update All, DAA, geez. 

I will say EN is performing better on a mobile as a lookup device.  The wobbles aren't as noticeable if you aren't doing anything significant.  That is once EN is open.  It takes upwards of 30 seconds to load when first selected.  I have maybe 10 off line notes so nothing in particular to download.  Some administrative handshake SNAFU?

Which is better than the web where I don't even have access to the V10 version.  Too many notes I think is the issue (44,600 synced of 52,600).  The other 8,000 being a whole other kettle of fish with the loss of local notebooks.

So like @gazumped I am waiting it out to see if thing get better before investing a lot of time.  Shadow the forums in the meantime.

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@CalS Just to compare: What type of iPad are you using to run EN iOS ?

We have an iPad Air 2 (the oldest device that still gets iOS 14), which runs pretty well with iOS 14 and most apps. Not so with EN iOS 10.5, it is pretty slow on opening, and on everything else.

On an iPad Pro 10.5 it runs fast, about 4 seconds on opening, and in the 1-2 second bracket when opening a note later on. Same with iPhones: Pretty slow on an 6S+, quite fast on an 11 Pro Max.

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9 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

@CalS Just to compare: What type of iPad are you using to run EN iOS ?

We have an iPad Air 2 (the oldest device that still gets iOS 14), which runs pretty well with iOS 14 and most apps. Not so with EN iOS 10.5, it is pretty slow on opening, and on everything else.

On an iPad Pro 10.5 it runs fast, about 4 seconds on opening, and in the 1-2 second bracket when opening a note later on. Same with iPhones: Pretty slow on an 6S+, quite fast on an 11 Pro Max.

iPad G6, it's about two years old.  iPhone is SE 2020, less than a year old.

Once the app opens performance when selecting notes is sluggish but not to the point of attention fully straying.   Better for sure on the iPhone than it was with V10.0.  Search is still way slow compared to desktop as it has always been, though worse than legacy IOS EN in my view.  Something else added with V10 that slows things down.

However, I find it most annoying that when searching the results are single pane.  That is only the list but not the list plus contents of the selected note in a right pane.  Aggravating to go back and forth.  The lack of a pane is a pain.  🤷‍♂️

 

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4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

But everybody can post his alternatives here - it got pretty quiet about that in the last weeks.

I still read this forum every now and then but as you may remember I moved over to Joplin a little over a year ago. At the time I posted that in here and recently brought it up too, but at some point the mentioning of alternatives will stop of course. I'd be a proper troll if I kept pushing it every time someone asks for a solution. And what works for me may not be what works for them anyway.

I would imagine that others feel the same - they said they weren't happy with the direction Evernote is going into, posted the alternative of their choice and left. At some point only the die hard and people who genuinely like the new version (possibly even drawn to it) are left over and neither will mention alternatives.

So, I don't see your "conclusion" as proof of anything, just a logical result of human nature in general ;) 

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6 hours ago, gazumped said:

- there's an easy fix - just use Legacy.  

I would call that a stop gap measure rather than a fix since we have been given no indication by EN of whether the Legacy version will continue to operate on Windows or, even if it does, how long it will be supported. We can also safety assume that it won't be enhanced from it's current state.

What's more, we also don't know whether some of the features of Legacy such as the ability to right click/save from Outlook will ever be implemented in V10 or later because no road map has been provided.

The reality is that I and many others,  are being moved away from a feature rich Windows version to two separate versions with no clear future for either. There is no clear path at all for those dissatisfied with V10. 

I can understand EN's desire to get to a common base BUT doing so at the expense of critical functionality is just crazy.

 

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Part of me still hopes EN "does a Winamp"... A huge amount of time was spent totally rebuilding Winamp and when Winamp3 came out a lot of people found it was unstable and missing features (sounds familiar) and went back to version 2... The Winamp devs took stock of the situation and went back to the version 2 core code for a couple of minor revisions before releasing a version 5 based on version 2 with some new features of version 3 re-built to work with the version 2 code. I think maybe "less than single digit" percent chance of EN following that route as they've "admitted fault" but are pressing on with their new code base (plus they are in a bit of a different situation) but it shows it is not unheard of for total rebuilds to be classed as "oops, we dun goofed" and abandoned in favour of older code by developers.

In the back of my mind I've toyed with the idea of making my own app, maybe with one of several cross platform solutions I've used before, or toyed with, or just thought about toying with (wxWidgets, GTK, IUP, Mono, Qt) - unlikely but in my mind I believe I could do it with 90%+ of the code being the same on all the desktop platforms I use (Mac, Windows, Linux). At least some of these fully support mobile app development too (Electron seems less official) and IMHO would've been a far better route to get a mostly unified code base with the exception of web code. Real code for real machines, web code for web.

For now I'm mostly on classic (not legacy) apps downloaded from official Evernote forum release announcements with the odd bit of API based third-party action. Also an old version on my Android phone that won't run a version of Android that EN supports making it safe from "upgrade". If that stops being an option I'm outta here.

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@PinkElephant If the data corruption wasn't happing then your post makes sens to me... But the data corruption is there, still today... not as much, but still corruption and data loss is part of the V10, and for all I know also in Legacy...

This huge issue and not proper communication about the issues= Mega trust problem for me.

Don't you worry about this new experience some of us (customers) have? Maybe you was lucky or others did some stupid migration things...

But in every day use of the application: windows desktop and mobile usages you are will get sync issues, notes that are magically adjusted, duplicated notes, date of note gets adjusted. Copy pasting will crash app and note data is corrupted... etc...ect... 

I am very curious why you do not think this is a bad development and believe that Evernote is on the right track. What signals did I miss? 

Hope you will or can answer this, because I hope the Evernote fixes things and is trustworthy again.

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1 hour ago, ArjenC said:

@PinkElephant If the data corruption wasn't happing then your post makes sens to me... But the data corruption is there, still today... not as much, but still corruption and data loss is part of the V10, and for all I know also in Legacy...

This huge issue and not proper communication about the issues= Mega trust problem for me.

Don't you worry about this new experience some of us (customers) have? Maybe you was lucky or others did some stupid migration things...

But in every day use of the application: windows desktop and mobile usages you are will get sync issues, notes that are magically adjusted, duplicated notes, date of note gets adjusted. Copy pasting will crash app and note data is corrupted... etc...ect... 

I am very curious why you do not think this is a bad development and believe that Evernote is on the right track. What signals did I miss? 

Hope you will or can answer this, because I hope the Evernote fixes things and is trustworthy again.

I often read "communication problems" or some variant of it in these forums. What do people mean by this? I've found Evernote in the last 2 years to be highly communicative. 

In general, as I've said, I'm a big fan of Evernote v 10. On Android and the web it is already so much better than the old apps, and the web app is moving forwards at a huge pace. The Android app is also regularly receiving updates.

I'm confused about Evernote running slow on iOS devices. It may be because Android just has a better javascript engine, but the Android version is really snappy (once it starts).

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1 hour ago, ehrt74 said:

I often read "communication problems" or some variant of it in these forums.

When v10 was release this seemed like a normal release of the product. Within days it was clear V10 wasn't ment for real production... due to all kind of issues and bugs. I tried to contact support in every way possible, support tickets, social media, communities etc... default responses after days from some... even received message, on topic lossing data, after 17 days: install legacy, maybe it is recoverable... holly.. *** 
This overwhelm of support is also a big big signal that something was really really wrong with the release V10.

But never ever received any email, read any official blog about the issues some (whole companies) experienced. Only how great the new version is, but nothing about how stuff will be fixed. Not missing features, but serious bugs that makes Evernote a real pain in the ***

Again: if I didn't experience any issues and loss of data then I would stay too, maybe even defending Evernote. But seeing the real Evernote, the one who does not seem to be able to deal with problems, made me realize there is something wrong. If you think that a customer with issues is helped with some canned responses (it is a fast way to eliminate the support queue), you are wrong. And every question based on the given advise takes days to get a response... and it doesn't help... legacy on mobile? What, were, how?


My company left Evernote, and I know more and more companies are leaving or already left. Personally I'm trying other applications, in the meanwhile Evernote is my static database. So no real use anymore (thank for that), only searching if needed. When I decide which product will replace EV than data will be migrated.

But just wonder why people don't see it as a problem, data integrity must be prio 1, 2 and 3..

Thanks for asking, so I can refine my statement.👍 Hope you and others will not get into the *** like some others.
 

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9 minutes ago, ArjenC said:

When v10 was release this seemed like a normal release of the product. Within days it was clear V10 wasn't ment for real production... due to all kind of issues and bugs. I tried to contact support in every way possible, support tickets, social media, communities etc... default responses after days from some... even received message, on topic lossing data, after 17 days: install legacy, maybe it is recoverable... holly.. *** 
This overwhelm of support is also a big big signal that something was really really wrong with the release V10.

But never ever received any email, read any official blog about the issues some (whole companies) experienced. Only how great the new version is, but nothing about how stuff will be fixed. Not missing features, but serious bugs that makes Evernote a real pain in the ***

Again: if I didn't experience any issues and loss of data then I would stay too, maybe even defending Evernote. But seeing the real Evernote, the one who does not seem to be able to deal with problems, made me realize there is something wrong. If you think that a customer with issues is helped with some canned responses (it is a fast way to eliminate the support queue), you are wrong. And every question based on the given advise takes days to get a response... and it doesn't help... legacy on mobile? What, were, how?


My company left Evernote, and I know more and more companies are leaving or already left. Personally I'm trying other applications, in the meanwhile Evernote is my static database. So no real use anymore (thank for that), only searching if needed. When I decide which product will replace EV than data will be migrated.

But just wonder why people don't see it as a problem, data integrity must be prio 1, 2 and 3..

Thanks for asking, so I can refine my statement.👍 Hope you and others will not get into the *** like some others.
 

Maybe i'm incorrect but i seem to remember Evernote clearly communicating that v10 was missing a lot of features and was buggy before they released it. They even recommended that customers stuck with the older versions, if I remember correctly.

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1 minute ago, ehrt74 said:

Maybe i'm incorrect but i seem to remember Evernote clearly communicating that v10 was missing a lot of features and was buggy before they released it. They even recommended that customers stuck with the older versions, if I remember correctly.

I didn't see any of this... Some day i received an update message that V10 was released and if I want to install the version. Years (10+) of quality updates as track record... I never blinked and updated the release... Took some time, was happy... missed some features but read that new release should come quickly... 

Then i used the version, holy *****

Update on Andriod, same story... autou pdates pushes the new version. And still today, when looking on the Evernote pages, they want you to use V10.
Translated from my language, the page about install legacy software:

We realize there are situations where it is necessary or desirable to use an older version of Evernote. This version is available for a limited time while we are working on adding some of the legacy features to our new apps.

This seems to be based on missing features..., i don't miss features, I'm missing data and in some cases (copy pasting MS-Word data on Andriod) you loss existing notes as well... or when you edit screenshot taken with web clipper

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2 minutes ago, ArjenC said:

I didn't see any of this... Some day i received an update message that V10 was released and if I want to install the version. Years (10+) of quality updates as track record... I never blinked and updated the release... Took some time, was happy... missed some features but read that new release should come quickly... 

Then i used the version, holy *****

Update on Andriod, same story... autou pdates pushes the new version. And still today, when looking on the Evernote pages, they want you to use V10.
Translated from my language, the page about install legacy software:

We realize there are situations where it is necessary or desirable to use an older version of Evernote. This version is available for a limited time while we are working on adding some of the legacy features to our new apps.

This seems to be based on missing features..., i don't miss features, I'm missing data and in some cases (copy pasting MS-Word data on Andriod) you loss existing notes as well... or when you edit screenshot taken with web clipper

I haven't yet lost data on the Android app. I don't use the desktop apps (just web and android) and in my experience both are much better than the legacy apps. 

However many people report problems with the new apps, so I presume these problems exist, it's just i haven't experienced them myself.

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Everyone is still unproductively arguing the same points - it was a disaster / the company didn't respond / missing features / Legacy is a stop-gap / support unavailable...  

Reality check: it happened already.  We are where we are. Nothing more to see here - please move on.

I played this theme before,  but - Evernote supports 250M users. That's like running a country three-quarters the size of the USA. These people all need 24/7/365 access to servers,  storage space,  support and processor time. 

They're a big company - the largest (I believe I saw quoted somewhere) repository of curated user data on the planet.  Big companies don't communicate well,  and they definitely do not 'apologise'.  It invites litigation.

IMHO they screwed up big time,  and it will take a while to work towards recovery.  But they are clearly moving swiftly in that direction,  with 8 update releases on most version 10 apps so far.

Meantime you have choices.

  1. Find another provider (quietly please) that better suits your needs.
  2. Stick with the new version and factually report issues and queries as they arise.
  3. Avoid anything to do with this and stay on 'legacy' old versions until you feel inclined to come in from the cold.

AFAICS anything else is just unproductive wingeing - we all have tasks to complete;  lets find a way to work around any issues and just get things done.

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1 minute ago, ehrt74 said:

However many people report problems with the new apps, so I presume these problems exist, it's just i haven't experienced them myself.

Count your blessings 👍. The issues I had are really frustrating... but every "crisis" brings new possibilities. This was a eye-opening event and made me realize that even a company as Evernote is a vulnerability when it comes to data safety and availability. 

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@gazumped I get your point, but this is a discussion forum,  and in a topic called Hate the new Evernote you won't find positive messages. 

I know my options, and executed them as we speak. So I'm happy how things turn out at the end. But I'm curious why people, like you i seems, are not in doubt about this. 

The End...

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Just now, ArjenC said:

I'm curious why people, like you i seems, are not in doubt about this. 

 

10 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Reality check: it happened already. 

9 minutes ago, gazumped said:

IMHO they screwed up big time

I have an undoubted aversion to cold and snow,  but that doesn't stop them happening.  I just deal with the situation and get on with life.  I'm pragmatic about stuff.

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4 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

I often read "communication problems" or some variant of it in these forums. What do people mean by this? I've found Evernote in the last 2 years to be highly communicative. 

In general, as I've said, I'm a big fan of Evernote v 10. On Android and the web it is already so much better than the old apps, and the web app is moving forwards at a huge pace. The Android app is also regularly receiving updates.

I'm confused about Evernote running slow on iOS devices. It may be because Android just has a better javascript engine, but the Android version is really snappy (once it starts).

"once it starts" - doesn't that says everything? It doesn't even sync in the background, so you have to wait to get it all synced each time you open it on Android. Is that something that we have to accept 20 years in the 21st century, especially when the previous version was way much better?

Concerning the communication problems, we are referring that we are clueless about what is happening with EN because I think we all agree that putting a v10 on the market was not a healthy, smart, reasonable thing to do for a company. By the way, have you received any reply on a feature request? I send more than 20, and I never got any feedback. Of course, they must be overloaded. 

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2 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

I haven't yet lost data on the Android app. I don't use the desktop apps (just web and android) and in my experience both are much better than the legacy apps. 

However many people report problems with the new apps, so I presume these problems exist, it's just i haven't experienced them myself.

We talk about the desktop version. If you don't use it, then there is nothing to discuss.

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8 minutes ago, pansovic said:

"once it starts" - doesn't that says everything? It doesn't even sync in the background, so you have to wait to get it all synced each time you open it on Android. Is that something that we have to accept 20 years in the 21st century, especially when the previous version was way much better?

Concerning the communication problems, we are referring that we are clueless about what is happening with EN because I think we all agree that putting a v10 on the market was not a healthy, smart, reasonable thing to do for a company. By the way, have you received any reply on a feature request? I send more than 20, and I never got any feedback. Of course, they must be overloaded. 

I'm not sure if the evernote android app syncs in the background. I'm not sure i'd want it to. it would just use up the battery. and it starts it 2-3 seconds anyway. 

I've had some replies to feature requests i've made. Evernote has been excellent at replying to bug reports btw. 

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On 2/15/2021 at 11:48 PM, FIFOF said:

E

N V10.8 for Mac : hope for the poor user we are?

like everyone here I try ro find my future EN

Since 2012 I had 13000 notes in my Macs some says it’s my second brain, it’s an everyday work with the Gtd process (thanks David) . I evaluate all alternatives  without success (Joplin, national, Bear...) and I discover  Roams Research.

i found the same exaltation ( so french !) when I discover EN, with a new way to  create notes.Roams permit you to link notes them in both the way. And I discover the ZETTELKASTEN method an incredible  process to build your references.

But...there is but...

How many times I spend to change? Is it dangerous for my data ? What did i lose in the end ?

The effort is too high !

And there is EN 10.8 I have tried and it seems better than the previous one. It misses many features essential for me but... we progress...

I think now it’s urgent to waiting for the next one.
And organise a big pressure to get what we want. I think now it’s possible.

 

 

 

 

 

you might want to look at DevonThink as you are a mac user...it is apple eco system only and is not as flexible in sharing data but otherwise superior to EN in any way that matters to me....also you can do backlinks like in roam or obsidian, however without the graph view at this point...

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16 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

But everybody can post his alternatives here - it got pretty quiet about that in the last weeks.

might be as people have simply left...like me for Devonthink...just checking in less and less frequently when feeling nostalgic..:-)

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8 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Maybe i'm incorrect but i seem to remember Evernote clearly communicating that v10 was missing a lot of features and was buggy before they released it.

Not really correct, particularly on IOS.  The new version landed with no warning other than glorious praise of how good it was.  Turned out to be a complete cluster.  IOS version is working its way back but still not the performance of before, as you say, particularly when starting up.  And it is full of new presses which don't help much.

Pretty much the same on Windows other than one could backtrack to the previous version.  I tried V10 for about 15 minutes back in October and have not been back since.  Monitoring the forums to see if Win EN makes its way back, particularly with performance and the key for me missing features.

My subscription renewed in November so I didn't have much choice but to re-up.  So I have until this November (or the sunsetting of 6.25) to determine what to do.  IAC I have to do something with local notebooks their having been dropped.  It's just a question of does the synced stuff stay with EN or move.  My preference to stay as I would as soon avoid any work.  But the process to accommodate that is not in my hands.

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Hi. I am on Mac and iOS. I don’t hate the new Evernote (thread title), but they have removed support for features I used to use, features I rely on do not work as well, I have experienced numerous bugs, and nothing I see in the current directory of app development meets my needs or promises to improve my situation. That’s a grim assessment, I am afraid.

This update may be a wonderful one for many users, but it hasn’t been for me. In particular, there is no opt-out for iOS. One day your workflow is just destroyed by a sub-par experience, and that is that. There is an opt-out for the Mac, but when you see how the rollout was bungled and what is in store for the future, it’s not a terribly great incentive to re-up. It’s not as if the Legacy version is perfect, either.

<Re-up?>
I am due to renew my premium subscription in one week (my forum account is different than my regular one). I turned off the automatic renewal when I experienced the update. I haven’t decided yet if I will let the subscription lapse, but it seems likely at this point. This isn’t a rage quit post. I am not leaving. I am still going to have the app installed on all of my devices. I’ll continue using it. I just may not be able to justify the cost for its greatly diminished role in my workflow. I want to support companies and their employees when they make products I use and enjoy, but this is such a mess, I’m thinking it doesn’t make sense when my usage has plummeted to just a tiny fraction of what it was.

<What went wrong?>
I’d like to see Evernote do a better job with its rollout of updates, and I would like it to rethink some of its development decisions. Evernote does a lot of things really well, like its syncing, and the general structure of having data in a note as a container linking its contents to other note containers in a flat hierarchy (at least, on the backend). Brilliant. But, that’s been there for 12+ years. Who thought stripping down the sync controls / information (resulting in sync conflicts) would be an improvement? Who thought completely blank notes (I guess while stuff that ought to habe been there already loads) is an improvement, especially on iOS? Who thought making us double-click links would make sense (yes, I realize there is a shortcut-key workaround, but why)? Who thought limiting the amount of notes we can select would improve our workflows? Who thought hiding note content from Spotlight searches would help us? I wonder how many heavy users of the app were brought into the development process.

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- Encrypted notes (all content) and notebooks (Apple Notes, DEVONthink, OneNote, etc. have had equivalent features for years now). Getting rid of local notebooks leaves many of us with no option but to shift sensitive / confidential work to other apps. Eventually, we just migrate other stuff away as well, and then we wonder why we still have a subscription to an app that insufficiently values privacy and security. 

- Fine-grained control over features. Make a default sync, display, etc. for users who don’t care. Give us options for displaying sync information, managing syncs, etc. 

- Improve searches, especially for CJK languages.Search results have often been poor in the past, but now we are stuck with Evernote only, so you have to do better.

- Make Evernote data searchable in Spotlight.This would at least lessen the frustration with search deficiencies in the app.

- The editor still has irritating bugs. I generally don’t get too worked up about such things, but if the rewrite from the ground up was supposed to fix things, but produced a buggy editor instead, especially on iOS, then something has gone terribly wrong. Please don’t ever dump half-baked products onto iOS, because we are stuck with the mistakes.

* Evernote is a great idea, I’ve spent over a decade with it and enjoyed interactions with the wonderful employees, and it seems to have a capable CEO at the helm. Everything is in place to do well, but somehow the design process designed me and my workflow out of the app. Mybe that’s OK for the company, who is angling for better users, but anecdotally speaking, it is not so great for me. At any rate, I am not leaving, and I’ll be keeping an eye on the app, wishing Evernote and all its users well.

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On 2/17/2021 at 10:39 AM, CalS said:

My subscription renewed in November so I didn't have much choice but to re-up.  So I have until this November (or the sunsetting of 6.25) to determine what to do.

 

On 2/17/2021 at 12:50 PM, GrumpyMonkey said:

<Re-up?>
I am due to renew my premium subscription in one week (my forum account is different than my regular one). I turned off the automatic renewal when I experienced the update. I haven’t decided yet if I will let the subscription lapse, but it seems likely at this point.

I renewed until October 2021, but turned off the automatic renewal
I'm currently using Evernote Legacy on my Mac, but doubt I'll continue after October
Not a hater; the new Evernote doesn't meet my requirements

I've always maintained an Evernote exit plan, more solidly developed in these problem months
I'm completely ready to switch from Evernote at any time

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Hey GM, haven't seen you around in a while.  😀

8 minutes ago, GrumpyMonkey said:

Encrypted notes (all content) and notebooks (Apple Notes, DEVONthink, OneNote, etc. have had equivalent features for years now). Getting rid of local notebooks leaves many of us with no option but to shift sensitive / confidential work to other apps. Eventually, we just migrate other stuff away as well, and then we wonder why we still have a subscription to an app that insufficiently values privacy and security. 

Similar boat. The abandonment of Local Notebooks combined with no zero knowledge encryption forces me to move a decent portion of my notes to another platform. And then the question is, is Evernote so great that it's worth keeping my not-so-confidential notes on one platform and my more confidential notes on another platform? That's what I've been facing as I use another note app as my daily driver where all new notes are created. And the answer for me is increasingly, "No" - it's becoming too much of a hassle to remember which platform a note is in, or run searches on both platforms.

Evernote is still the top dog for web clipping, so at this point my thinking is all my notes go to one platform, and use Evernote for web clips on difficult websites. 

 

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6 minutes ago, DTLow said:

I renewed until October 2021, but turned off the automatic renewal
I'm currently using Evernote Legacy on my Mac, but doubt I'll continue after October
Not a hater; Evernote no longer meets my requirements

😲

We need our resident Officer Barbrady @gazumpedto get us to avert our eyes. "Nothing to see here folks, move along."  😛

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24 minutes ago, GrumpyMonkey said:

- Improve searches, especially for CJK languages.Search results have often been poor in the past, but now we are stuck with Evernote only, so you have to do better.

+1 to this wish. I recently found out that you can only have two languages (English + one more) active at a time in search which is such an oversight. I don't understand the thinking that if someone is multilingual they're always going to want language + english instead of language + language.

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10 minutes ago, Lemini said:

which is such an oversight.

I'd doubt it's an oversight as such.  The app is being (re)developed from very little in the way of features.  To avoid having to update translations each time you add a new process,  you wait until it's pretty much complete and then add translations.  An unfortunate result of a complete rebuild - though of course all languages are still available in Legacy...

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4 minutes ago, gazumped said:

I'd doubt it's an oversight as such.  The app is being (re)developed from very little in the way of features.  To avoid having to update translations each time you add a new process,  you wait until it's pretty much complete and then add translations.  An unfortunate result of a complete rebuild - though of course all languages are still available in Legacy...

This is actually a server side issue. The person that responded to my ticket confirmed that the OCR search will only work with the language settings you have set on your account (which I had to log into the web client to change) and the only language options in the menu are pairs that include English.

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2 hours ago, Lemini said:

This is actually a server side issue. The person that responded to my ticket confirmed that the OCR search will only work with the language settings you have set on your account (which I had to log into the web client to change) and the only language options in the menu are pairs that include English.

Search will work for any language combination, as far as I know, but OCR is only done for certain language combinations, and this is one reason why I OCR before putting things in Evernote. Of course, this raises the question: why use Evernote at all if feature X isn't working for you?

The problem, as I see it, is that Evernote is probably designed really well for someone who is not me. Again, this isn't necessarily a criticism of Evernote. They have to make design decisions. However, their design decisions increasingly reflect a certain kind of workflow that doesn't fit me--multiple language use, especially with CJK, which tend to require different thinking about search. Some problems I have had for over a decade, and I pop into the forums every once in a while to poke Evernote about them (woefully inadequate encryption options). Others come up with each update that removes or radically alters stuff to "improve" the app. 

@tavor

Good to see you :) I have posted a few times since the latest update, but I have tried to refrain from saying too much, because I wanted to see how they got this mess sorted without gumming up the works. Unfortunately, in my case, there has been almost no progress on the issues I need to see resolved, so now that I am hitting up against my renewal date, I wanted to let Evernote and other users know my thought processes. It may serve as some useful data for someone. 

@DTLow

Yep. Same here. Well, actually, I've been using a bunch of apps over a decade or so, with Evernote as my main work application sometimes, and shifting work to other ones when Evernote has hit bumps in the road. There is nothing quite like Evernote, but there are some great alternatives (they meet my needs in different ways), and for some reason Evernote has chosen to make its core features even less appealing to someone with my workflow. This time, it seems more like a detour and an entirely new direction, pushing me off onto the bumpy shoulder, so I may not renew for a while. We'll see. 

 

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12 hours ago, tavor said:

Yep. He's right. EvN is no more a premium brand, they are now in mass production business. Providing only fast/junk food kind of services. This will not change any time soon. Moreover, v10 is slow, clunky, and unreliable garbage.

February is for me my last month as an active/premium user. Bye 😉

By the way - migration to the other tool wasn't that scary. I re-discovered a lot of notes which I forgot. I find a few new ways to manage my notes/knowledge. It's good to change.

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3 minutes ago, Kolmir said:

Yep. He's right. EvN is no more a premium brand, they are now in mass production business. Providing only fast/junk food kind of services. This will not change any time soon. Moreover, v10 is slow, clunky, and unreliable garbage.

February is for me my last month as an active/premium user. Bye 😉

By the way - migration to the other tool wasn't that scary. I re-discovered a lot of notes which I forgot. I find a few new ways to manage my notes/knowledge. It's good to change.

And you moved to what? I am exploring Joplin, ClickUp, Nimbus, but I haven't found one alternative where the import is flawless. It seems to me that it will be a lengthy move, one note at a time. Then we will end up with some historic Evernotes and newer notes on a second platform, which means losing the great search tool of Evernote to find everything.

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4 minutes ago, pansovic said:

And you moved to what? I am exploring Joplin, ClickUp, Nimbus, but I haven't found one alternative where the import is flawless. It seems to me that it will be a lengthy move, one note at a time. Then we will end up with some historic Evernotes and newer notes on a second platform, which means losing the great search tool of Evernote to find everything.

This is a struggle, that's correct. All tools have different approaches and features. So not all data can be converted that well. Don't know what breaks in your case, but I moved and keep my Evernote database static in BASIC. Later this year (maybe next year) I evaluate the times I searched in Evernote, if this is a couple of times (or not at all) i will delete it... 

Most of my data is migrated, some notes are broken but information is still there .. so not a problem for now. 

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1 hour ago, ArjenC said:

This is a struggle, that's correct. All tools have different approaches and features. So not all data can be converted that well. Don't know what breaks in your case, but I moved and keep my Evernote database static in BASIC. Later this year (maybe next year) I evaluate the times I searched in Evernote, if this is a couple of times (or not at all) i will delete it... 

Most of my data is migrated, some notes are broken but information is still there .. so not a problem for now. 

This is my approach as well. If you move your notes elsewhere, that doesn't mean you have to delete your notes from Evernote - like @ArjenC, you can keep these notes in Evernote in static form (i.e.,  you don't edit these notes). If you run into a major issue with a note in your new platform, you can go see the original version of that note in Evernote and figure out how to replicate that in your new platform.

To the point of importing into other platforms, keep in mind that even importing enex files back into Evernote itself is lossy (your note links go bye-bye). There is no standard export format in the note app space. One of the smoothest imports is from EN to Joplin (use 1.7.x as there have been many edge case improvements in that import process). And there are many export options from Joplin (export options are an important factor when considering note apps - make sure you aren't locking yourself in; and indeed, EN's lossy enex format is a bit of a lock-in on users with extensive note links - there are workarounds, but ideally you wouldn't have to work around a lossy export to begin with).

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This is my approach as well. If you move your notes elsewhere, that doesn't mean you have to delete your notes from Evernote

I did the same. I moved my regular notes out of EN and left remaining in EN. I still log in to EN and pull notes when necessary. This way I never had to do any big bang migration.

I am also not replacing EN with any single product. Apps are like tools. There are several screwdrivers in one's toolbox. So I now use specific apps for specific purpose - like Notion for project management, OneNote for those notes which I must need without internet etc.

It seemed crazy at first but now it has become part of my workflow. It never happened that I can't remember which thing I kept in which app. So I feel having all notes in one platform is kind of overhyped concept.

 

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1 hour ago, tavor said:

your note links go bye-bye

btw    When moving to a new product, those links are still valid;    
           except they point back to Evernote

Another good reason for not deleting your Evernote data

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4 hours ago, pansovic said:

And you moved to what? I am exploring Joplin, ClickUp, Nimbus, but I haven't found one alternative where the import is flawless. It seems to me that it will be a lengthy move, one note at a time. Then we will end up with some historic Evernotes and newer notes on a second platform, which means losing the great search tool of Evernote to find everything.

There is no one perfect solution 😉

This time I chose to diversify. I put part of my notes into Apple-Notes, most of them into OneNote*, and PDF/files into Google-Drive (priv) and One-Drive* (biz)

Export from EvN 6.25 and then import into Apple or OneNote is pretty good. No major complains.

My approach was: one EvN notebook (or small stack) at the time.

[*] I use full/desktop version of OneNote, I have MSOffice subscription.

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The biggest problem the new EN faces is speed. I am afraid that they have chosen to sacrifice speed for the benefits of a less complicated development environment. Maybe this is a good decision for Evernote, but for my use case it is a disaster. I am worried that the new speed problem of the new EN is not solvable, and that my type of user will need to transition to a program capable of handling heavier loads and larger databases in a responsive manner.

After checking in on the competition, I believe Evernote legacy is still the best option for frequent web clippers and large "heavy multi-media" note databases. I have over 32,000 notes in an image intensive database.

However, the competition is closing in, while EN seems to be sliding backward in some ways. The fate of EN will be decided in the next 24 months. I suspect there are a large number of premium users becoming increasingly interested in an EN alternative.

I suppose management is going for mass market Macdonald's type software, but the competition in this area is intense and I do not think the current EN has the management DNA to compete in this category. But if that is where the money is then I can not blame them for following the herd.

In my use case I am not interested in a dumbed-down mass market product. I want a heavy-duty, fast and long term reliable database to preserve all my work. I happily pay the Evernote premium subscription, even as I worry that Evernote is migrating away from my type of user.

I wish there was an economic model that supported a premium user personal database, and I wish there was a company that believed in that vision.

Here is a link for those interested in exploring the EN competition

https://www.noteapps.info/

 

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28 minutes ago, kongulu said:

Here is a link those interested in exploring the EN competition

https://www.noteapps.info/

 

That site is a good starting point, but be aware that the site is updated by one person, and he's not spending his days checking for updates on all these note apps. So essentially the site is only as current as the messages he gets from people pointing out changes in particular apps.

For example, Joplin has features that are incorrectly reported as being absent - daily notes/templates, pdf viewed within note, E2EE, export note links, Linux app, backlinks, intra-note links, notebook hierarchy, shortcuts, etc.

Another example is Evernote, which is listed as having E2EE, which it absolutely does not.

My advice for dissatisfied EN users is use the noteapps.info site to get a general overview of the competitive landscape, but don't take the specific feature list for any app literally, as it could be very out of date. If you are interested in an app, install it and import just your current working notes and use the app as your daily driver for a couple of weeks. If it fails your test drive, it's easy to import those notes back to Evernote, and you can try out another app. 

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25 minutes ago, tavor said:

That site is a good starting point, but be aware that the site is updated by one person, and he's not spending his days checking for updates on all these note apps. So essentially the site is only as current as the messages he gets from people pointing out changes in particular apps.

For example, Joplin has features that are incorrectly reported as being absent - daily notes/templates, pdf viewed within note, E2EE, export note links, Linux app, backlinks, intra-note links, notebook hierarchy, shortcuts, etc.

Another example is Evernote, which is listed as having E2EE, which it absolutely does not.

My advice for dissatisfied EN users is use the noteapps.info site to get a general overview of the competitive landscape, but don't take the specific feature list for any app literally, as it could be very out of date. If you are interested in an app, install it and import just your current working notes and use the app as your daily driver for a couple of weeks. If it fails your test drive, it's easy to import those notes back to Evernote, and you can try out another app. 

ClickUp is another alternative which is not in the https://www.noteapps.info/.I have been exploring it, but not yet convinced as a replacement for EN Legacy

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2 hours ago, princetonmum said:

The new version of Evernote is awful. It's slow. Nothing works. DON'T be a fool and be talked into to upgrading!

Most people won't check here before taking that step,  but fortunately there's an easy way to get back to the previous version...

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote

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Anybody can upgrade. 

And everybody working with a desktop (Win & Mac) can install the legacy client side by side, and choose to work with either client. One advantage of legacy is that this client will not ask to upgrade - it simply stays in this final release as long as it is supported.

The same day legacy will stop to work, all older versions AFAIK will stop to work as well. So ignoring v10 is no long term strategy. When EN decides to make that switch, there will be time to make the move then. Or install v10 now, and start to adapt your workflows to it.

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What a wreck this update is!!

I feel fooled after many years paying for Premium subscribtion. That's a shame.

Nearly 40 secondes only to get access to a simple note that used to open in 2 seconds before.

Can't remember a worse user experience, even with freewares.

How can someone think that removing features and slowing a soft is an upgrade?!?

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I'm afraid that Evernote have lost the plot.  This used to be a great product but the new "architecture" has made the product very slow.  I'm on a new mac mini - everything else works fine - but not Evernote.  There are delays when typing a note and it has got so bad now that I think it's the end of the road.  If I can't type a note on Evernote consistently then I can't use the product.  Goodbye Evernote.

 

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23 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Or install v10 now, and start to adapt your workflows to it.

Hmmm ok... so evernote 10 is orders of magnitude slower than the previous version... I better start planning 18 hour days in order to adapt.

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Some time ago I mindlessly updated Evernote to the "new version" and then trouble started. Slow notes, vanishing content in windows, export options gone. It looks more like an "air" application - one that uses a web browser disguised as an app than an actual application built with my OS in mind (OSX).

What boggled my mind is that on my laptop I still had the old version and it was SO MUCH BETTER. So I dug a little and realized I could use the "Legacy" evernote. I've swapped icons now in my OSX dock and use Legacy exclusively.

It is irritating that Evernote would push an app that is clearly a downgrade and have us work thru its issues, in the hopes of some distant payout. I don't see what need they had to rebuild something that was working well for something that is crappy at best.

I suppose at some point in the future I may be required to make another decision - The Legacy might stop working, or it might not work well on Apple silicon. At that point in time my decision won't be upgrade or not. It will be upgrade or migrate to another service. I really hope Evernote gets their *** together with the client. Right now it is horrible and if I had to make the decision today I would probably switch to competing product.

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On 2/15/2021 at 9:43 PM, oded said:

Reading your post might give the impression that I'm the only one who's complaining here...
Just read all the posts and tell me how many users complain?
Tell me also how many users say they're going somewhere else, just looking for the best place to go.
That's exactly what I'm doing!
The fact that I failed once doesn't mean I have to fail again...
Btw, I don't need any extra features.
I need a very simple application that works flawlessly!!
If EN would continue to support Legacy, just as it is now, that would be all I need!

Sorry, this wasn't pointed at you personally, and I understand the frustration.  I hadn't been adversely affected by the updates until today.

Today I have been using the desktop windows version and was trying to update an existing work template for a new project and found that EN couldn't keep up with my typing,  I am a two finger typist. 

It was like being on a dial up connection to a forum in the early 90's.  I had to cut and paste the template to a Word document to be able to work on it in the end.  This never used to be the case.

So maybe Onenote is the best alternative for what I do and is the answer for me.  The EN sluggishness has only just started affecting me.  Also ON has improved its syncing and resilience over the last 12 months.

I still don't think ON is as good as the old EN, but then clearly neither is EN!

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1 hour ago, Gazebo said:

found that EN couldn't keep up with my typing,  I am a two finger typist. 

Amazing. Months after the release, v10 is the disaster that keeps on giving.

We have seen multiple users complaining about sluggishness in various aspects, but nothing is as maddening as when an app cannot keep up with your typing. Doesn't matter how good a note app is in other aspects, if I have to wait for it to catch up with my typing, that's a fatal flaw.

 

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On 10/20/2020 at 10:01 AM, Riggar said:

Thanks for nothing. In one swoop you have completely destroyed my workflow and 7 years worth of an information database.

Many moons ago with the idiotic limitation of 250 notebooks I was forced to go the tagging route. That took a whole weekend to re-organise 3000+ notes. BUT once set up it did work well and no longer a limit on a high level entity. 

Today that's all gone - colour coded tag tiles gone. AND when you go to a tag area and create a new note you are bounced to ALL notes - the new note is not kept with the tag set. 

OK so I thought I'd look at Notebooks again and moving notes within tag to a Notebook - oh no the data is lost - brilliant how can that possibly happen!

This is a complete waste of space - and I am now looking at moving out of Evernote to something else - I just hope that the receiving software can read in Evernote data.

you can export EN notes to the "Notion" app, they have a web-client and android/ios apps.  the export process is pretty straightforward too.  currently I'm paying for BOTH EN premium and Notion's basic, non-free tier, which maybe means I'm not using my tools in an "ideal"fashion", but at the moment it seems to be working well enough...

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14 hours ago, Gazebo said:

Sorry, this wasn't pointed at you personally, and I understand the frustration.  I hadn't been adversely affected by the updates until today.

Today I have been using the desktop windows version and was trying to update an existing work template for a new project and found that EN couldn't keep up with my typing,  I am a two finger typist. 

It was like being on a dial up connection to a forum in the early 90's.  I had to cut and paste the template to a Word document to be able to work on it in the end.  This never used to be the case.

So maybe Onenote is the best alternative for what I do and is the answer for me.  The EN sluggishness has only just started affecting me.  Also ON has improved its syncing and resilience over the last 12 months.

I still don't think ON is as good as the old EN, but then clearly neither is EN!

A problem with onenote is that notes created in the desktop version cannot be viewed or edited in the web version.

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2 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

A problem with onenote is that notes created in the desktop version cannot be viewed or edited in the web version

That might be historic - I’ve been using desktop, web and mobile for work projects for 12 months on Windows, Chrome, IOS and Android and it’s been fine. Downsides are slow to load when changing device, and I had some sync and notebook issues, but that was when I first had to use it. (Our corporate preference is ONeNote). It’s been solid for months.

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13 minutes ago, Gazebo said:
 

That might be historic - I’ve been using desktop, web and mobile for work projects for 12 months on Windows, Chrome, IOS and Android and it’s been fine. Downsides are slow to load when changing device, and I had some sync and notebook issues, but that was when I first had to use it. (Our corporate preference is ONeNote). It’s been solid for months.

First of all, there are TWO desktop OneNote Apps, free dumbed down OneNote for Windows 10 that is tied to OneDrive and  OneNote 2016 tied to paid Office 365 subscription. Different apps, different feature set. First app is very similar to Evernote v10...

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2 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

A problem with onenote is that notes created in the desktop version cannot be viewed or edited in the web version.

Unnoticed the same problem with Evernote v10; Evernote (lecacy) html notes are sometimes non-editable blocks of text while edited on Evernote v10.

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50 minutes ago, Gazebo said:
 

That might be historic - I’ve been using desktop, web and mobile for work projects for 12 months on Windows, Chrome, IOS and Android and it’s been fine. Downsides are slow to load when changing device, and I had some sync and notebook issues, but that was when I first had to use it. (Our corporate preference is ONeNote). It’s been solid for months.

This is a problem i have every week at work. It hasn't gone away. If you create a note on the desktop OneNote app and try to open it with the web OneNote app a message is displayed "OneNote is not compatible with this note format" or something similar. It's very annoying.

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7 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

This is a problem i have every week at work. It hasn't gone away. If you create a note on the desktop OneNote app and try to open it with the web OneNote app a message is displayed "OneNote is not compatible with this note format" or something similar. It's very annoying.

I use desktop OneNote (full version, MS-Office 365 subscription)

I can also edit my OneNote notes using browser (Edge or Firefox). They synchronize with desktop app in no time. Zero issues.

Are your notes in the current (OneNote 2016) format or maybe in the previous/older one?

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2 hours ago, Kolmir said:

I use desktop OneNote (full version, MS-Office 365 subscription)

I can also edit my OneNote notes using browser (Edge or Firefox). They synchronize with desktop app in no time. Zero issues.

Are your notes in the current (OneNote 2016) format or maybe in the previous/older one?

I have no idea. I think we're using the most recent version of OneNote. In the browser I can edit some notes, but not all.

I think this is fairly typical of Microsoft. They want to keep you in their ecosystem. 

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41 minutes ago, ehrt74 said:

I have no idea. I think we're using the most recent version of OneNote. In the browser I can edit some notes, but not all.

There is a possibility, that you're using the newest version of the app, but you work with some documents created with much older version. Therefore content of those notes may still be in an old format.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/convert-a-notebook-to-a-different-format-52e2f763-e138-4f6b-8de2-48362b6fe76a

If not, I have no other idea. For me OneNotes work fine in desktop/mobile apps and in browsers.

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9 hours ago, Kolmir said:

There is a possibility, that you're using the newest version of the app, but you work with some documents created with much older version. Therefore content of those notes may still be in an old format.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/convert-a-notebook-to-a-different-format-52e2f763-e138-4f6b-8de2-48362b6fe76a

If not, I have no other idea. For me OneNotes work fine in desktop/mobile apps and in browsers.

No this is with new notes that I make using the desktop app. 

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On 2/17/2021 at 3:04 PM, DTLow said:

 

I renewed until October 2021, but turned off the automatic renewal
I'm currently using Evernote Legacy on my Mac, but doubt I'll continue after October
Not a hater; the new Evernote doesn't meet my requirements

I've always maintained an Evernote exit plan, more solidly developed in these problem months
I'm completely ready to switch from Evernote at any time

What are the things to think about in an "Evernote Exit plan"

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15 minutes ago, LibertyMom said:

What are the things to think about in an "Evernote Exit plan"

#1  Exporting  data (Notes, Attachments, metadata)
       - Evernote has an export feature, however it's crippled in the Version 10 product

#2  Maintaining organization structure (Notebooks/Tags)

#3  Replacing the EN user interface with something equally user friendly
      Replacing the EN features

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Its been a solid 8 year run on Evernote premium, the new app is so slow and so terrible they forced my hand. I finally spent half my weekend exporting all my notes to Apple Notes and now couldn't be happier. It does exactly what I want: Takes notes, works across all my devices, loads instantly, doesn't interrupt my workflow with stupid announcements about a "new version coming soon". No bugs, No missing notes requiring me to restart the app. Just works. It even has an encrypted note feature! Thank you Apple.

Now I've discovered Evernote make it impossible to delete my account for good. Their own documentation about how to delete your account is now no longer accurate so i've had to contact support just to have my account deleted. It's baffling to me that all they had to do was to not mess up the notes app and they managed to mess it so bad that someone as lazy as me finally moved off it. Yikes

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It's taken me a lot of work to try out various different solutions.      I went with Note Joy.

It isn't a perfect fit for me but its light weight and pretty fast.     I need something simple for just text and images that is fast and reliable with historical archival features.

What is great to see is that as a small company they are really responsive and something I asked for inclusion has already been added to the software (it had been requested already but it seemed that me asking as well assisted).   I've already ended up having a few conversations with the CEO as a result of msgs I left asking if x or y is possible.

On 2/26/2021 at 1:31 PM, pansovic said:

which one?

 

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11 hours ago, AdamJ said:

It's taken me a lot of work to try out various different solutions.      I went with Note Joy.

It isn't a perfect fit for me but its light weight and pretty fast.     I need something simple for just text and images that is fast and reliable with historical archival features.

What is great to see is that as a small company they are really responsive and something I asked for inclusion has already been added to the software (it had been requested already but it seemed that me asking as well assisted).   I've already ended up having a few conversations with the CEO as a result of msgs I left asking if x or y is possible.

 

Thanks for sharing. It hasn't been my preference because, for what I understand, it syncs with Evernote, so you cannot really replace it and delete the EN account. Also the tables are not working with NoteJoy. 

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Reading the release notes for Windows it is tragic to see how functionality that is standard in Legacy is now communicated as an improvement when it is added back to V10:

Global keyboard shortcut editing is now available via the keyboard shortcuts reference menu. Don’t like the way a global keyboard shortcut is set up? Change it! You can now edit global keyboard shortcuts to find the perfect combination of characters. Access the keyboard shortcuts menu by using Ctrl/Cmd + /

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Re: the latest Android update, just return to letting users begin typing a tag to filter, tap a tag to select and show the tag(s) that have been selected. The new update leaves users in the dark as to what tags have been applied and at times leaves those same tags preselected for future web clips. It is incredibly horrendous. Do your developers even use the platform? I can't see how, unless they are intent on sabotaging the company.

 

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23 hours ago, Slydo said:

Re: the latest Android update

If anyone has a gripe about a specific version of Evernote,  it's better to make it in the actual Android (or other) Forum,  since this thread is 8 pages long now and likely not a priority read for the developers.

23 hours ago, Slydo said:

Do your developers even use the platform?

...who aren't 'ours' as this is a (mainly) user-supported Forum,  though the Devs still read comments here... in their copious free time...  <_<

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Slow Evernote on mobile:  On my mobile I haven't been able to add any note to the app for the last 10 days. Version 10.5.1 is a failure. The desktop version on Windows still works normally. Can anyone suggest me to export all my notes to other app? Help needed.
Sarayuth, March 3, 2021 10.10 pm in Bangkok (+7 London time).
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On 3/2/2021 at 2:57 PM, Slydo said:

Re: the latest Android update, just return to letting users begin typing a tag to filter, tap a tag to select and show the tag(s) that have been selected. The new update leaves users in the dark as to what tags have been applied and at times leaves those same tags preselected for future web clips. It is incredibly horrendous. Do your developers even use the platform? I can't see how, unless they are intent on sabotaging the company.

 

I'm confused by this. Are you talking about searching using tags, adding tags to notes or adding tags to new notes shared from a web browser?

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On 3/2/2021 at 10:57 AM, Slydo said:

Do your developers even use the platform? I can't see how, unless they are intent on sabotaging the company.

 

This is what I find so interesting as well !

Ok sure, I assume the idiot managers likely don't use Evernote much but surely someone in the company must!?!   If they did though I just don't see how on earth they would have released it.  Baffling to me.  

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While agreeing with most of the critique in this thread, my point is that EN 10.8 is truly dumbed down and no longer gives you control over the advanced settings that previous versions had.

Som critical things are removed and even right click is gone, no customizable menu bar and  the GUI is also working against you and I have to jump through hoops to create a "bunch of notebooks" and the list of complaints goes on!

For me there is no reason to stay with EN with the client in this state of dyslectic functionality, so please listen to this serious feedback EN and bring back the features you stole from us.

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I'm thinking of moving to OneNote too. The new Evernote is just AWFUL. So many features have been disabled, my Evernote scanner no longer works with it, one has to constantly be connected to the internet to use many of the notes. It's a mess! I've tried working with Evernote support and they've been of very little use. I used to LOVE Evernote and recommended it to everyone I knew and even paid for all my kids to use Premium. I would not recommend it any more. It's that bad!

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A few days ago saw Mac 7.14 (non Legacy) pop up a big message saying this version was no longer receiving updates and it was time to upgrade to a new version... Dismissed it and went to double check the update check option... still disabled... Seems like even pre "Legacy" they at some point implemented a sneaky "back door" update notification system...

Might be time to investigate the "robert7" fork of NixNote2 which uses Qt... I already use it on Linux (alongside old official Mac, Windows and Android clients, not so much iOS now).

From the About Qt blurb... "Qt provides single-source portability across all major desktop operating systems. It is also available for embedded Linux and other embedded and mobile operating systems."

Imagine if Evernote had decided to go down this route, rather than start with "hey what we need to do is re-write Evernote in a interpreted language rather than a compiled one - we're sure people won't notice it getting slower..."

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Only on legacy, there are no reminders. This is the main reason to install it - in other aspects it is the same as 7.14 on the Mac, 6.25 on Windows.

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I also HATE the renewed Evernote.

I hate it when I want to open Evernote, and I click the system tray icon I then need to click an extra button to open Evernote (I liked it better to just click the system tray icon to open Evernote).
 
I hate it when I want to open a weblink in Evernote I have to click the link and then have to click the link again in a pop-up, and lots of times it still doesn't open the webpage in my webbrowser.
 
It was possible to show my favorites in a top bar; now EN doesn't have that option anymore.
It was possible to show the note-list on top, and the note on the bottom; now EN doesn't have that option anymore.
 
Also, all of a sudden, EverNote has decided to spell check, and there is no option to turn this off. It is only in English, and most of my notes are NOT in English. Quite annoying.
 
I hate that all of the fonts have gone.

I have been a faithful EN-user since 2010, sent a lot of new users and a lot of money your way, but I think I'll switch to another app.
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If you hate it, move on. Having bad feelings when opening an app is not worth the loss in life quality or lifetime.

For the time being: You can turn off spell checking in the EN v10 settings. 

Or switch to legacy, which makes it easier as well to export your data.

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Try the Legacy version. I feel the same way you do - the new version of Evernote is a disaster on the desktop, the phone and the Web. I don't believe they even tested it first. Couldn't have. These issues are too big.

 

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2 hours ago, Mike P said:

@Laura Josepha I would check that you are using the most up to date version (10.8.5). Quite a few of the  issues you list have been resolved.

Actually, this is my version:

10.8.5-win-ddl-public (2367)
Editor: v118.1.15148
Service: v1.28.5
 

That is the most recent one. Let's check my complaints again:

  1. I hate it when I want to open Evernote, and I click the system tray icon I then need to click an extra button to open Evernote (I liked it better to just click the system tray icon to open Evernote). -> Still true.
  2. I hate it when I want to open a weblink in Evernote I have to click the link and then have to click the link again in a pop-up, and lots of times it still doesn't open the webpage in my webbrowser. -> I know that this feature has been restored in the latest version, but I notice that it just doesn't work like it should all the time.
  3. It was possible to show my favorites in a top bar; now EN doesn't have that option anymore. -> Still true.
  4. It was possible to show the note-list on top, and the note on the bottom; now EN doesn't have that option anymore. -> Still true.
  5. Also, all of a sudden, EverNote has decided to spell check, and there is no option to turn this off. It is only in English, and most of my notes are NOT in English. Quite annoying. -> I know that this feature has been restored in the latest version, so now it is possible to turn this off. But it is still not possible to check the spelling in each note in a different language, or to switch languages halfway through the note. See also:
  6. I hate that all of the fonts have gone. -> Still true.
 
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2 hours ago, Laura Josepha said:

Actually, this is my version:

2. Fortunately ths works reliably for me.

4. Isn't this just the top list view which has now been reintroduced for some time?

 

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On 3/7/2021 at 10:21 AM, Laura Josepha said:

Actually, this is my version:

 

I am happy that Evernote recently solved system-wide bug of hardcoded keyboard conflict with default keybind in my language (and serveral others); but I still do consider Evernote v10 inferior product compared to Evernote Legacy.

I am using Joplin (for text notes) alongside with Evernote (for media-rich archiving), unfortunately most options available are inferior to Evernote Legacy.

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I still hate the new Evernote. 
It's slow, has still plenty of bugs that most likely will never get fixed and I just hate the user experience. I never got used to the new search function and desperately miss the tag filter. I still don't understand why I can't center images. The tried the styles features once, didn't work (not all formatting was applied), never tried again. 
 

But I got an invitation to the early access version that introduces tasks...I ignored it. I am not interested in the what the company Evernote produces anymore. Your products are bad. You managed to destroy a notes app. You won't be able to create a good task function. 
 

 

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Ever since the update it's been so slow, I can barely use it. I was fond of Evernote but it seems like I'm going to have to look for alternatives. I'm certainly not going to pay more money to a service that's not working just in hopes of getting some technical support.

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8 hours ago, kthesun said:

and desperately miss the tag filter

I'm sure it would be helpful for the developers if you could explain why the current tag filter is not meeting your needs. I have some reasons why I think it is inferior but I don't want to put words in your mouth!

UPDATE. Sorry I found you had already described why it doesn't meet your needs here:

 

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I went to Onenote, but I'm back. 

I couldn't get reliable syncing, and the web clipper isn't as good. Getting emails into it from gmail wasn't 100% effective, though, as you'd expect, adding from Outlook was brilliant.

Anyway, the upshot was, that although although EN lacks some features and has taken some mis-steps, I still prefer to stick with them, as from my personal perspective and for my workflows  EN still offers a better package. 

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4 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

A word of warning about OneNote. Notes created in the desktop client cannot be read in the web client.

Please stop spreading fake news. Your case is isolated. Have you contacted support? Researched ON forums/Google?

OneNote works pretty well in desktop app and in web browser for me and many others.

41 minutes ago, Gazebo said:

I couldn't get reliable syncing, and the web clipper isn't as good.

Strange... For me OneNote sync works better than EvN v10.

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40 minutes ago, Kolmir said:

Please stop spreading fake news. Your case is isolated. Have you contacted support? Researched ON forums/Google?

OneNote works pretty well in desktop app and in web browser for me and many others.

Strange... For me OneNote sync works better than EvN v10.

This is really a known problem, at least among developers at my company. 

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For the sake of balance, I'm adding my experience with EN v10. People are obviously having major problems - problems I won't discount but I don't understand because I'm not experiencing them. I'm adding these comments so that those searching for Evernote reviews don't discount it completely.

Version 10 is working find for me. I have found no problems with performance - no slower than earlier versions. Searches work fine, I'm able to create and read notes on both Windows 10 and Android. There are some annoyances - I agree with the comment about it being annoying to have to do an extra step to open Evernote, and for a while you couldn't turn off spell-checking. But these aren't show stoppers for me. I like the new note editor with predefined headers.

I use EN primarily as a file cabinet for keeping records such as receipts for tax purposes, and OneNote has no capability in that regard. I considered Nimbus Note for a while which is very similar to EN and is cheaper. But I soon found its performance to be slower than EN and the editor was annoying.

One major concern: I want to be able to back up my data locally - more than 50 notes at a time.

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53 minutes ago, jlady said:

One major concern: I want to be able to back up my data locally - more than 50 notes at a time.

I've never tried it but does the 50 note limit apply if you export an entire notebook? In the notebook screen right click and choose export or use the three dots menu.

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