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This is my first post in this forum! Imagine I was using evernote from 2012 and never need to come here, now I just say omg! What's wrong with you ??? It's the crapiest version of evernote I ever seen! Evan smallest and most basic features are changed! Even RTL! I used to write everything in English and Parsian, now there is no rtl at all! all of my previous notes are crappy and wrong orientated. it's useless. You can not even change the time of the notes in one click and colors are gone !!!
After all of this years I'm looking to leave this software. 

How should I export all of my notes to onenoe? anyone knows?  

R.I.P old everonte. we loved you for ever...

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Thanks for nothing. In one swoop you have completely destroyed my workflow and 7 years worth of an information database. Many moons ago with the idiotic limitation of 250 notebooks I was forced t

You destroyed Evernote with this new version. Why don't you think twice about ***** people's lives? Everything that has changed has changed for the worse. I have been using it since 2012. The worst ve

Clugey, slow, and my colored tags are gone. Are there any alternatives that I can  transfer my Evernotes into?

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Slow 

Slooowww 

Sloooowwww 

Unusable.

I don't want to migrate to One Note. I live EN. Paid customer since '12. But this is unusable. Using Legacy to give it time but how much is enough?

EN has to rectify this within a few weeks or I'm gone and it sounds like many others are as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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59 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I truly don’t get the hysteria around the legacy app which exists in these forums. What is this mysterious bug people speak of that means you need support and won’t get it? It’s stable. It’s getting exhausting now cause here’s the thing - if you want to leave, that is your choice, no judgement, we are customers and have the right to use what we feel suits us best. 

I believe the reason is the emotional bond many folks have / had with evernote. the frustration we all hear - besides the legitimate criticism of the stripping of many features, the general sluggishness of the V10 apps and the communications ***** up around it - is part of a grieving process and a feeling of loss. I know this clearly sounds odd for a piece of software / a service, but it also shows just how dangerous evernote's ***** up could be to its economic base. only time will truly tell, but what's been going on here since the release of V10 is troubling to say the least...

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7 hours ago, WilliamL said:

I truly don’t get the hysteria around the legacy app which exists in these forums. What is this mysterious bug people speak of that means you need support and won’t get it? It’s stable.

I don't see much hysteria but I do see a tsunami of ****** off customers. It's true that the legacy version is stable. It's also true that EN management has deliberately chosen to not guarantee that stable version will work for a set period of time. Why? It's clear to everyone that v10 was simply not ready for release. Worse, people who've tried the pretty but barely functional v10 have lost hours/days of work from changes to their notes thanks the new software. There's no good reason that should have happened.

And I wouldn't describe the other emotion as hysteria so much as desperation -- people realizing that documents they've worked hard to produce could be damaged or even lost. The damage to their notes and work flow that some people are seeing could be inflicted on everyone at the whim of EN management. Well, maybe whim is the wrong word. There was presumably a good reason in the eyes of EN management. Unfortunately it was just one that had little to do with serving their existing customers. From the outside it strikes this observer as the behavior of a management team trying to save a company that's in decline. So yeah, some people's dismay is quickly morphing into the recurring theme of "Abandon ship!"

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12 hours ago, WilliamL said:

I truly don’t get the hysteria around the legacy app which exists in these forums. What is this mysterious bug people speak of that means you need support and won’t get it? It’s stable. It’s getting exhausting now cause here’s the thing - if you want to leave, that is your choice, no judgement, we are customers and have the right to use what we feel suits us best. 

I'm not seeing any hysteria.  For mine, I'm just pointing out what software support means when people think they'll be able to continue running Legacy indefinitely.

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A lot of drama for sure.

Issue for me is if V10 never achieves enough functional parity (as defined for each of us) with 6.25.1, including speed.  Personally I can use 6.25.1 for some time without application support.  I mean we've been doing it for the last two to three years.  It's when 6.25.1 no longer syncs that the problem appears. 

In the world of belts and suspenders it makes me wonder if an "air gapped" or non synching already signed into EN PC makes any sense.  That is if the market is still lacking a 6.25.1 alternative.  Definite downsides with no more multi device support or history and one would have to do their own backups.  But it would preserve work flow for a bit longer.  Now that's some drama.  ;)

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On 11/26/2020 at 3:29 PM, ripwit said:

I've moved to Joplin Notes (https://joplinapp.org/). It has a good import from ENEX. Open source, free, active community.

Main reason for me was not trusting an external service (perhaps especially Evernote) with my data.

With Joplin you can decide where to store your notes DB, cloud and/or local. Encrypted and end-to-end.

Works on Windows, IOS, Android. No web interface since there is no server.

I don't know why some companies decide to shoot themselves in the proverbial foot (or other body part). EN apparently did.

 

Joplin’s data is not encrypted on the desktop. Only on mobile. (It can be encrypted if you put it in e.g. a Veracrypt container).

When I tested it there wasn’t a way to search inside a note. Search would bring you a list of notes but then you had to find that text in each of them by scrolling. This may have been fixed since.

On iOS, Joplin did not add itself to the Share functionality. You could not send e.g. a screenshot to Joplin - you had to save it first, open Joplin, then browse and add as an attachment, very time consuming and inefficient.

Also, on iOS, it can only export plain text markdown files. All images are lost. If I want to send a note to someone, and it contains images, I can’t (perhaps from the desktop version but I use iPhone and iPad 90% of time).

Overall, unless you mainly use plaintext notes and don’t mind Markdown, it’s not a good Evernote replacement - too limited. This is of course just one opinion.

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I'm good with the new look and all that. I get it. Learned to adapt to the update quickly. 

But you removed links to folders. That was my saving grace for my work flow. Now all my folder links does nothing and you cant even add them in. 

Please put that on the todo list in the next patch.

- From a paying customer. 

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On 12/2/2020 at 4:13 AM, MB11 said:

Slow 

Slooowww 

Sloooowwww 

Unusable.

I don't want to migrate to One Note. I live EN. Paid customer since '12. But this is unusable. Using Legacy to give it time but how much is enough?

EN has to rectify this within a few weeks or I'm gone and it sounds like many others are as well.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

OMG the new version stinks and is unusable for my workflow,  I'm concerned that legacy support will die off... what the alternatives?  One note?  this is not good.  

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9 hours ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

When I tested it there wasn’t a way to search inside a note. Search would bring you a list of notes but then you had to find that text in each of them by scrolling. This may have been fixed since.

Yes, search is already fixed or your issues are iPhone-specific. It highlights words in current note OR folder/ALL

Sharing a note to a non-Joplin user? I would use HTML export instead.

BTW I just tried export of a note with pics in 1.4.19 and output DOES contains pics via resource subdir, referred by MarkDown file.

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3 hours ago, Frankie1972 said:

OMG the new version stinks and is unusable for my workflow,  I'm concerned that legacy support will die off... what the alternatives?  One note?  this is not good.  

I've been pointing people to 25guy's list of Evernote alternatives. The short answer for those happy to live in Apple's walled garden seems to be DEVONthink. For the rest of us our best choice greatly depends on the features we consider essential to our workflow. My use of tags and text formatting is rudimentary when compared to the way others here use EN, for example, so Joplin is at the top of my evaluation list. Others in this thread have found Joplin's lack of <X> to be a deal breaker and so are looking at other options. I have yet to hear of an alternative to EN that won't take some adjustment and/or compromise by the user.

 

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5 hours ago, Piotas said:

Yes, search is already fixed or your issues are iPhone-specific. It highlights words in current note OR folder/ALL

Sharing a note to a non-Joplin user? I would use HTML export instead.

BTW I just tried export of a note with pics in 1.4.19 and output DOES contains pics via resource subdir, referred by MarkDown file.

2020-12-03 23_13_34-Joplin.png

Just downloaded the latest Joplin for iOS.
1. Yes, the higligthing of searched word is fixed. 
2. No, it’s still only exporting plaintext, dropping any attachments or pictures.

So, the iOS version is still severely limited.

Sharing HTML with other people is not going to work for e.g. meeting notes. But I assume the desktop version supports PDF export ?

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3 hours ago, rts said:

I've been pointing people to 25guy's list of Evernote alternatives. The short answer for those happy to live in Apple's walled garden seems to be DEVONthink. For the rest of us our best choice greatly depends on the features we consider essential to our workflow. My use of tags and text formatting is rudimentary when compared to the way others here use EN, for example, so Joplin is at the top of my evaluation list. Others in this thread have found Joplin's lack of <X> to be a deal breaker and so are looking at other options. I have yet to hear of an alternative to EN that won't take some adjustment and/or compromise by the user.

Then it wouldn’t be an alternative, would it ?

My wife still uses EN because she’s so accustomed to it. I use ON because it’s unmatched for work notes if your company is on Exchange, and it only makes sense to use the same workflow for personal notes. In the end, any decent system will work, but it requires adjustment.

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3 hours ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

Sharing HTML with other people is not going to work for e.g. meeting notes. But I assume the desktop version supports PDF export ?

yes, desktop app exports nicely formatted PDF 1.4 with all pics embedded

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Why change for the sake of change, which this ‘update’ appears to be.  Seems to be a complication of life these days where too many dumb decisions are made in the name of so called progress.  It’s a complete stuff up and ruined Evernote.  I have lost valuable information, just disappeared.  It’s now slow, cumbersome to clip to and a total waste of space as far as I am concerned.  Anyone who finds a product to switch to I would love to hear about it.  

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14 minutes ago, Frankie1972 said:

I'm looking at Nimbus note --- it looks promising not sure if it's better

You might want to look around the forums here a bit.  Their apps struggle with any volume and there have been a lot of question marks over their privacy policy. 

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I hate this version, too!  Some of the things I'm used to are no longer available such as the clipper.  It takes a screen shot and then converts it to a note.  No way to close the window that pops up.  It used to be so simple!  Things that used to take one click are now more difficult and take more clicks even if you can find it.  Does Evernote make these changes just to justify someone's job or to charge more money?  I HATE this version!

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So, I went through the list of alternatives. The list is good, the ratings all seem extremely subjective. Basically, the ratings are based on author's personal preferences.

There's simply no way Joplin should be rated above Onenote. It has no OCR, no handwriting, it must be put inside an encrypted container if you want to protect your data on desktop, and its iOS version is very severely crippled. There's much more, I won't get into everything. This is not to say that it won't work for some people, but I would never rate it that high. 

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52 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

So, I went through the list of alternatives. The list is good, the ratings all seem extremely subjective. Basically, the ratings are based on author's personal preferences.

There's simply no way Joplin should be rated above Onenote. It has no OCR, no handwriting, it must be put inside an encrypted container if you want to protect your data on desktop, and its iOS version is very severely crippled. There's much more, I won't get into everything. This is not to say that it won't work for some people, but I would never rate it that high. 

I’ve glanced at the list but never paid much attention to it - didn’t realise Joplin was rated higher than OneNote! That’s utterly astonishing! I cant think of one thing Joplin actually does well, it’s a dated mess of an app in my view that’s going no where. How that ranks above OneNote, I don’t have the words for that. 

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1 hour ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

So, I went through the list of alternatives. The list is good, the ratings all seem extremely subjective. Basically, the ratings are based on author's personal preferences.

There's simply no way Joplin should be rated above Onenote. It has no OCR, no handwriting, it must be put inside an encrypted container if you want to protect your data on desktop, and its iOS version is very severely crippled. There's much more, I won't get into everything. This is not to say that it won't work for some people, but I would never rate it that high. 

I wholeheartedly agree. I only  refer people to that list so they know some alternatives exist, not to endorse particular choices or to pretend that 25guy's criteria are definitive. A program might tick a feature box but that's no guarantee that the feature has been implemented well after all. And while I personally have a lingering fondness for programmable folding editors (Leo, Org-Mode) and simple tools like TiddlyWiki I would never seriously suggest them to people as replacements for EN. (Indeed, I would strongly prefer to just keep using EN Legacy, but that option isn't one I have much control over.)

I suspect there are some EN users in this thread who have important criteria that 25guy didn't really consider and vice versa. For example before this v10 debacle the importance of local hosting wasn't on my radar screen -- now it's a deal breaker at the top of my list. There are also a number of features such as tag hierarchies and sharing notebooks across a team that aren't relevant to my workflow but I'm well aware that other people consider them vital. Many of us are being forced to make unpleasant choices.

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I will remain on a legacy version until I can find an alternative to Evernote or there are enough improvements to v10 to allow me to continue with my current workflow.  Creating and organizing nested tags is one of the most important features for me.

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On 12/1/2020 at 11:45 PM, WilliamL said:

I truly don’t get the hysteria around the legacy app which exists in these forums. What is this mysterious bug people speak of that means you need support and won’t get it? It’s stable. It’s getting exhausting now cause here’s the thing - if you want to leave, that is your choice, no judgement, we are customers and have the right to use what we feel suits us best. 

I don't know if hysteria is the right word, but there is something wrong with the general user-base mentality regarding the Version 10 product

I'm a long time Legacy product user (Mac), with no issues    
I'm aware there's a Version 10 product;  it's a work-in-progress and I won't be seriously reviewing it until the work is completed

The posts I'm seeing are not objective feedback of the Version 10 product    
It seems to by hysteria given these users can easily revert to the Legacy product (Mac/Windows)

 

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I don’t know if you heard but we have all been threatened by Evernote with them withdrawing the classic version at literally any time now, breaking its sync so it doesn’t matter about your backups, they would be useless. I don’t call that hysteria when you spent the last 10 years pouring your life into the program, only to be told ***** you, you mean nothing to us, your data is worthless, all the time you spent putting that data into our product counts for nothing. The new version is totally unusable and they have been working on this rubbish for the last 2 and a half years. For gods sake, the CEO doesn’t even understand tags. He laughed about them. Does this and all the other horror stories really give you confidence they can fix this because for me it doesn’t. I’ve never seen anything like this before. My life is in that program so that is why I am passionate, like many others. Though I do of course understand that some people just use Evernote for their shopping list. 

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1 hour ago, MrIllustrator said:

so it doesn’t matter about your backups, they would be useless

I have a full offline copy of data on my Mac
The data is backed up weekly using the export feature in html format    
This data is not useless; it's functional 

>>withdrawing the classic version

This would be the Evernote Legacy product.    
The app software is installed on my Mac and will continue to function without Evernote support

>>The new version is totally unusable

This would be the Version 10 product; a work-in-progress     
imho It's not ready for general use.    
In their release notes, Evernote advises   If your workflow depends on these features, you can continue to use our legacy apps.

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3 hours ago, DTLow said:

I have a full offline copy of data on my Mac
The data is backed up weekly using the export feature in html format    
This data is not useless; it's functional 

>>withdrawing the classic version

This would be the Evernote Legacy product.    
The app software is installed on my Mac and will continue to function without Evernote support

>>The new version is totally unusable

This would be the Version 10 product; a work-in-progress     
imho It's not ready for general use.    
In their release notes, Evernote advises   If your workflow depends on these features, you can continue to use our legacy apps.

For how long ? Are they making a commitment to maintaining the legacy version (and this means fixing any incompatibilities with future OS releases) until there’s parity with the current version ?  Is there a sunset date ?     

Our notes (my wife’s, mainly) are very simple and mainly used on iOS, so the redesign isn’t a big deal for us. But it does suck, to be honest.

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14 minutes ago, Wanderling Reborn said:

Is there a sunset date ?  

No sunset date specified for the Legacy product.    
I just know it's working well in the  present, and immediate future 

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3 hours ago, DTLow said:

>>The new version is totally unusable

 

This would be the Version 10 product; a work-in-progress     
imho It's not ready for general use.    
In their release notes, Evernote advises   If your workflow depends on these features, you can continue to use our legacy apps.

Yeah, the majority of the posts in this thread are assessing v10 as "not ready". The company could have avoided a lot of drama and ill will if they had offered it as a preview/testing/beta release. Instead the email I got announced "The new Evernote for Windows has landed." There were no disclaimers. As the poet noted, "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away." To which I'd simply add that once lost, customer trust is not easily regained.

I think your practice of regular offline backups is wise. So is holding back on client updates until some of the dust has settled. And you're obviously entitled to your own take on the current situation. I just think we've reached different conclusions on the urgency of having an exit strategy. EN customers making plans based on the assumptions that v10 will ever be "complete" or that Legacy syncing will work indefinitely are entirely too trusting in my view.

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51 minutes ago, DTLow said:

No sunset date specified for the Legacy product.    
I just know it's working well in the  present, and immediate future 

I'm impressed with your confidence in a company that has shown on more than one occasion in the past that they do not always have the best interests of their customers in mind when they make decisions.

I've been a heavy user of a paid Evernote account for about 10 years.  I rely on this product, that I am happy to pay for in my day-to-day work.  I am a busy person and Evernote is a critical part of my workflow.  When I am presented with a notice that "The new Evernote has arrived" and really coerced into installing it, and then after trying to use it for a day finding it absolutely unusable - that to me is a giant red flag that foretells bad things about the future of a product that is very ingrained into my productivity workflow.  I would expect a company that is looking out for me to be a little more careful about coercing me into installing a vastly inferior product that replaces what has generally worked well for over a decade on multiple platforms.

I know, I can, and will use the legacy product, but they are making it very clear that this is for limited time use - the icon is even now grey which indicates to me that this thing is on borrowed time.  You are on a Mac, so maybe the new app works better there, but on Windows, it is terrible both visually and functionally. (have they even tested this on a PC?)  

I am a product manager for a software company, and if our company put out something this raw, someone would be in big trouble and our customers would crucify us.  I am not hysterical as someone accused those of us complaining - I am simply coming to the conclusion that Evernote is heading in a direction that is not compatible with my needs.  This has forced me to look at some alternatives, and not having done that for quite some time, I am finding some very interesting replacements (Amplenote and Nimble Notes to name just two).  My Evernote subscription runs through next July, so I have some time to decide what to do, but I am not going to wait around for EN to pull the rug out from what I need.

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11 minutes ago, NorcalScott said:

I'm impressed with your confidence in a company

I didn't say I have confidence (or trust)

The product (Legacy) is working well for me for the immediate feature
However I'm prepared when this product/service is no longer the best solution for me
I have my data backed up and my exit strategy prepared

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23 hours ago, WilliamL said:

I’ve glanced at the list but never paid much attention to it - didn’t realise Joplin was rated higher than OneNote! That’s utterly astonishing! I cant think of one thing Joplin actually does well, it’s a dated mess of an app in my view that’s going no where. How that ranks above OneNote, I don’t have the words for that. 

You compare open source project with billion-dollar software giant?

Microsoft already tried to kill OneNote 2016 and replace it with OneNote for Windows 10 - a dumbed down, online-only simplified app.

There is clear analogy between Evernote v6 and v10.

Only recently Microsoft decided to continue support OneNote 2016 as part of Office 365 subscription, because, well, new version suck ass - just like Evernote v10.

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

However I'm prepared when this product/service is no longer the best solution for me

I have my data backed up and my exit strategy prepared

with you being one of the veterans around this forum, would you be willing to share what your exit strategy is should you decide to execute on it?

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2 minutes ago, toao said:

with you being one of the veterans around this forum, would you be willing to share what your exit strategy is should you decide to execute on it?

As I said, I have my data backed up; a full export in html format, scheduled weekly on my Mac   
Mac's index the content so text search is available   
With no other action, I'm able to access my data

I've made no decision on an Evernote alternative, but I do keep an eye on the candidates   
Some offer a direct import from Evernote

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19 minutes ago, toao said:

with you being one of the veterans around this forum, would you be willing to share what your exit strategy is should you decide to execute on it?

Interested as well! Cause I cannot work properly now :)
And my subscription is being renewed soon :D so it would be about time to change

 

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9 minutes ago, DTLow said:

As I said, I have my data backed up; a full export in html format, scheduled weekly on my Mac   
Mac's index the content so text search is available   
With no other action, I'm able to access my data

I've made no decision on an Evernote alternative, but I do keep an eye on the candidates   
Some offer a direct import from Evernote

Does the HTML export keep the tag information?

I was exporting via the Export tool from EN and it only gave me the xml option to keep tags.
Does it export the stacks and notebooks as well by the way?

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Does the HTML export keep the tag information?

I was exporting via the Export tool from EN and it only gave me the xml option to keep tags.
Does it export the stacks and notebooks as well by the way?

HTML backup of old Evernote data is as usable as folder full of Word documents. No more tags, full-search or creation date-sort.

The part I am NOT ok is that Evenote with v10 as only supported solution, Evernote keeps your data hostage next day they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync.

Because you simply can no longer export 40.000 notes if you are limited to 50 notes selection TOTAL.

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1 minute ago, Piotas said:

HTML backup of old Evernote data is as usable as folder full of Word documents. No more tags, full-search or creation date-sort.

The part I am NOT ok is that Evenote with v10 as only supported solution, Evernote keeps your data hostage next day they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync.

Because you simply can no longer export 40.000 notes if you are limited to 50 notes selection TOTAL.

I didn't think about that... and I have quite a few things I wouldn't like to lose...
Maybe Joplin or something Open source and similar would be best, despite losing on quite nice features.

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24 minutes ago, LynuSBell said:

Does the HTML export keep the tag information?

I was exporting via the Export tool from EN and it only gave me the xml option to keep tags.
Does it export the stacks and notebooks as well by the way?

Yes, HTML export stores a note's tag information (no hierarchy)1907776610_ScreenShot2020-12-05at10_18_08.png.07d6622c39520fba0fa00dbc9dbecd08.png
No, the export does not store notebook or stack information 

 

I append the metadata to a note's contents   1552267973_ScreenShot2020-12-05at10_13_27.png.af8405138cfd8f5d84c966918d56a110.png
I have this scripted with Applescript on a Mac

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2 minutes ago, DTLow said:

Yes, HTML export stores a note's tag information (no hierarchy)
No, the export does not store notebook or stack information 

I append the metadata to a note's contents   
I have this scripted with Applescript on a Mac

Would you mind sharing your script? I wouldn't be able to script it myself but I might be able to adapt it to my own case if there needs adapting.

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27 minutes ago, Piotas said:

Evernote keeps your data hostage next day they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync.

Because you simply can no longer export 40.000 notes if you are limited to 50 notes selection TOTAL.

We're expecting the 50 note limit to be removed
Export can be executed at the notebook level - no limit

I'm using the Legacy product (Mac) and have full export functionality - no limits
The export function still functions after "they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync"

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17 minutes ago, LynuSBell said:

Would you mind sharing your script? I wouldn't be able to script it myself but I might be able to adapt it to my own case if there needs adapting.

 

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1 hour ago, Piotas said:

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You compare open source project with billion-dollar software giant?

Microsoft already tried to kill OneNote 2016 and replace it with OneNote for Windows 10 - a dumbed down, online-only simplified app.

There is clear analogy between Evernote v6 and v10.

Only recently Microsoft decided to continue support OneNote 2016 as part of Office 365 subscription, because, well, new version suck ass - just like Evernote v10.

I’m comparing app for app, being open source doesn’t have to mean tacky and inadequate, Ubuntu and numerous other apps show that. I have Joplin, it still has no wysiwyg editor, it’s iOS app is shocking in both capabilities and appearance. It’s not about the corp but the apps as they stand before the user and joplin needs to step up or step out in my view. 

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3 minutes ago, DTLow said:

We're expecting the 50 note limit to be removed
Export can be executed at the notebook level - no limit

I'm using the Legacy product (Mac) and have full export functionality - no limits
The export function still functions after "they turn off Evernote Legacy/v6 sync"

50 notes limit is result of design decision. Electron app with lo local backend storage (unlike Joplin, note, Joplin has Electron interface as well!) will use HUGE amount of resources to execute changes on notes.

If you don't rely on local folders (very few people do), Evernote v6 only CACHES data locally, not STORES data locally.

Export to ENEX in Evernote v6 uses online connection to cache online data to local cache.

With sync off, I expect Evernote export it will STOP working for you when you log off (on new machine etc).

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7 minutes ago, Piotas said:

If you don't rely on local folders (very few people do), Evernote v6 only CACHES data locally, not STORES data locally.
Export to ENEX in Evernote v6 uses online connection to cache online data to local cache.
With sync off, I expect Evernote export it will STOP working for you when you log off (on new machine etc).

By default, Evernote Legacy stores data locally; a giant .exb file in Windows
Export executes against the local database; not the server

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15 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

I’m comparing app for app, being open source doesn’t have to mean tacky and inadequate, Ubuntu and numerous other apps show that. I have Joplin, it still has no wysiwyg editor, it’s iOS app is shocking in both capabilities and appearance. It’s not about the corp but the apps as they stand before the user and joplin needs to step up or step out in my view. 

It all depends on your expectations. For me Joplin, having build-in MarkDown editor and renderer, with option to use external WYSWIG editor (I use Typhora when I really need WYSWIG) provides more value than Evernote v6 where I cannot reliably remove formatting manipulate tables or strip text from table - AT ALL - beause of, limitations. With raw MarkDown editor there is NO limitation. Yes, it requires more skill, but well, we are talking about power users, right?  Evernote v10 is fine app for casual user.

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By default, Evernote Legacy stores data locally; a giant .exb file in Windows
Export executes against the local database; not the server

you are right, even Evernote Legacy uses local SQLite in EXB file, I assume I have accidentally turned on option to clear local storage so it started pulling data from internet - I will later check if it still works without internet connection (after reinstall and file copy, without logging-in).

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1 minute ago, Piotas said:

I assume I have accidentally turned on option to clear local storage so it started pulling data from internet

That would be the Legacy "on demand sync"
It removes unused data from the local database store

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8 minutes ago, LynuSBell said:

What comment are you referring to regarding the Backup? I see a bunch of scripts. Or did you refer me to this so that I start scripting? :D

The link was to an Append Metadata script
The automated backup script is simple
             tell application "Evernote" to  export theNotes to fileBackuphtml format HTML with tags

 

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18 minutes ago, DTLow said:

The link was to an Append Metadata script
The automated backup script is simple
             tell application "Evernote" to  export theNotes to fileBackuphtml format HTML with tags

 

I thought it would be way more complex :D Neat! Thanks a lot

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3 hours ago, Piotas said:

You compare open source project with billion-dollar software giant?

Microsoft already tried to kill OneNote 2016 and replace it with OneNote for Windows 10 - a dumbed down, online-only simplified app.

There is clear analogy between Evernote v6 and v10.

Only recently Microsoft decided to continue support OneNote 2016 as part of Office 365 subscription, because, well, new version suck ass - just like Evernote v10.

What's wrong with comparing software ? At the end of the day, it's only user experience that counts. Just because Joplin is open source, doesn't mean that it's providing a comparable user experience for the majority of users - there will always be some people for whom some of the features are super important.

As to Microsoft - they gave a clear timeline for Onenote 2016 being supported through November 2025. (Although it seems that they had reversed the direction altogether and once again are actively developing the desktop version, due to strong user pushback).

I really dislike Microsoft's propensity to kill or drastically change ecosystems that their users are reliant upon, and I got burned with them more than once - Windows Mobile, Wunderlist, MS Money. But they always provided an early warning, a sunset date, and a path out. So, at the very least, Evernote team should clearly communicate their plan for extending support for the legacy version - right now, they are basically avoiding commitment, which is bad from users' perspective. "We will support this version until Summer 2021" is, at least, some form of guarantee. 

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14 hours ago, DTLow said:

>>The new version is totally unusable

This would be the Version 10 product; a work-in-progress     
imho It's not ready for general use.    
In their release notes, Evernote advises   If your workflow depends on these features, you can continue to use our legacy apps.

IT would be nice if they acknowledged this 'work in progress' mentality and allowed us to test the versions as they roll out. But I'm not willing to go through the dance of installing the new version, then reinstalling the legacy version each time. The fact that they remove the legacy app each time you install leads me to think that they believe this is a full production version, not a work in progress. 

I am a beta user for another large database app I can't mention here. I can install new versions and run them side by side until my computer blows up. If it needs to convert the db, it does so with a copy, leaving the old app and data in place. Old versions get removed only when I want them to. 

But like you, I will just use the legacy app. But instead of running it side by side with v10, I am running it side by side with the apps I am testing for my exit strategy.

I believe that Evernote will recover from this debacle, but probably not with my data and certainly not by wasting any more of my time. 

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I, too tried Evernote 10 and hated it. I couldn't go back to the old one fast enough. Why do they make such major changes in a well oiled machine? As an old football coach said, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I was able to revert back by googling "Evernote Legacy." Evernote: please restore some of the functions you eliminated in E10!

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Where do i start - I have ben an avid fan of Evernote and convinced my whole team to use it over the last five years !! Did the tester of this new 'supposed' software have a full lobotomy before started using this dreadful piece of the proverbial rubbish !! No cut and paste unable to save as pdf's not able to change titles do you really want me to continue ? Maybe Evernote just got too much success to care about customers and to add injury to add injury to insult when you email for support you get told 12 days + for help !! that in itself deserves your demise ! I want to rollback to a version that allows me to reagin where I was and my team to be efficient in there endeavours - not use this disgraceful non-option you have placed on me. Does anyone know how to roll back to the old software please ? RICSB - as to Evernote you deserve losing all your clients - I wont be renewing if this is how you 'care' 

Evernote's emailed response ! - I suspect 'the experiencing a higher than normal' response is a little self inflicted !! it happens when you launch disasters !

My name is Brittany, and I manage the support team here at Evernote. I wanted to let you know we are currently experiencing a higher than normal volume of requests. The average wait time for a response is currently 10-12+ days. Please know we're doing our best to get back to you as soon as possible. Here are some resources to help you in the meantime:

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On 10/24/2020 at 5:46 AM, Everluke said:

I think it’s great. Not perfect, but still far better than OneNote etc.

the edge cases needed to go, this baselining of the product across platforms vital for the future success of the product. It will get better.

all I ever read on these forums is negativity for very specific use-cases that quite frankly don’t belong in anyone’s workflow.

 

I have 10000 notes is my favourite... like you even look at 5% of them. I suggest if someone has 10000 notes that relies on colour coded tags you aren’t managing your information  very well.

what if Evernote hadn’t changed and died in 3 years time as everyone moved on ... same people moaning that they didn’t develop...

Better than OneNote how? Just curious what your perspective is on this statement. Many moons ago, I switched from OneNote to Evernote, back then OneNote did not sync to the cloud, Evernote did. Very simple reason to switch. Not that I've gone back to OneNote, but, I am using it for a very specific project to see what it is like as it has been so long. Definitely things in OneNote I really do like, such as the ability to place objects side by side with different formatting, can easily drag them anyplace in the note, I really like this. Then there are things I don't like, the UI, having to Open and Close notebooks individually, I had an issue with searching awhile back that I haven't tried again.  But, compared to the new Evernote, my notes are always there no empty white note (Mac user) and it's not sluggish.  

I understand overhauling the app but when core features just don't work, well, that is a problem.

 

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I appreciate the new developments and Evernote keeping me up to date with the rewrite to version 10. However, the encouragement to upgrade does not clearly state that the latest version does not cover all functionality included in version 6.25. I would miss the Outlook plugin and probably even more things. A good reason not to upgrade yet. I would appreciate if you guys could be clearer about that in the communication.

I use Evernote on Windows + Android.

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20 hours ago, dbvirago said:

IT would be nice if they acknowledged this 'work in progress' mentality and allowed us to test the versions as they roll out. But I'm not willing to go through the dance of installing the new version, then reinstalling the legacy version each time. The fact that they remove the legacy app each time you install leads me to think that they believe this is a full production version, not a work in progress. 

I am a beta user for another large database app I can't mention here. I can install new versions and run them side by side until my computer blows up. If it needs to convert the db, it does so with a copy, leaving the old app and data in place. Old versions get removed only when I want them to. 

But like you, I will just use the legacy app. But instead of running it side by side with v10, I am running it side by side with the apps I am testing for my exit strategy.

I believe that Evernote will recover from this debacle, but probably not with my data and certainly not by wasting any more of my time. 

What alternatives do you like the most? The incompetence of EN makes me wonder if the company is in trouble and suddenly we will all have to head for the exits. I would rather prepare now.

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3 hours ago, MB11 said:

What alternatives do you like the most? The incompetence of EN makes me wonder if the company is in trouble and suddenly we will all have to head for the exits. I would rather prepare now.

I could answer that, but it wouldn't help. The alternatives all have strengths and weaknesses and which is best will depend on your specific needs and uses. None of them are Evernote and likely will never be. In some ways each is better and in others worse. So, you need to find one that hast he better things you need and the worse things you don't. I can't speak to the pure Apple offerings, some of which are lauded as great alternatives. I still think if you want to most similar UX then Nimbus is the way to go. 

If I have to leave EN, or choose to because of the current aggravation factor, that's probably where I would go as a pure data repository. However, if ClickUp improves their document storage, it could easily be an all-in-one. I have and could make Notion work, but there needs to be an easier exit strategy.

OTH, with me being on or with my laptop 90% of the time, I could always use a local, non-syncing alternative.

Hope this helps.

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21 hours ago, RICSB said:

Where do i start - I have ben an avid fan of Evernote and convinced my whole team to use it over the last five years !! Did the tester of this new 'supposed' software have a full lobotomy before started using this dreadful piece of the proverbial rubbish !! No cut and paste unable to save as pdf's not able to change titles do you really want me to continue ? Maybe Evernote just got too much success to care about customers and to add injury to add injury to insult when you email for support you get told 12 days + for help !! that in itself deserves your demise ! I want to rollback to a version that allows me to reagin where I was and my team to be efficient in there endeavours - not use this disgraceful non-option you have placed on me. Does anyone know how to roll back to the old software please ? RICSB - as to Evernote you deserve losing all your clients - I wont be renewing if this is how you 'care' 

Evernote's emailed response ! - I suspect 'the experiencing a higher than normal' response is a little self inflicted !! it happens when you launch disasters !

My name is Brittany, and I manage the support team here at Evernote. I wanted to let you know we are currently experiencing a higher than normal volume of requests. The average wait time for a response is currently 10-12+ days. Please know we're doing our best to get back to you as soon as possible. Here are some resources to help you in the meantime:

Here you go:

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote

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Installed the new version after getting the update notification at the weekend. Thank goodness there is a Legacy version download and it works. Hurray.

Who on earth thought it would be a good idea to change the default typeface in the new version. I have three years of daily journal pages which are all carefully built up of text boxes, pasted in charts and a typeface size so that they fit my computer screen for how I have my Evernote view panels arranged. And then I open up the new version 10 (Windows PC), and the typeface has changed from the Segoe UI size 10, to the much larger Sans Serif size16. So none of my pages are now correctly formatted or laid out properly on my screen. As well as the fact that some titles are no longer underlined, and the odd line of text has been changed to Sans Serif size 13 instead of 16 so the text changes aren't even consistent.

Why on earth was it thought a good idea to remove the previous version's choice of what must be fifty odd different fonts available, and reduce that number to only six available fonts in the new version. And not include the previous version's default font as one of the fonts in the new version. Surely everybody who previously used Evernote has now found in this latest version that all of their saved work now looks completely different and fits differently on their screens to the way they had it yesterday, and how they had been happy with it for the past months or even years.

Completely ridiculous.

Time to start looking for a replacement application that will allow the import of an .ENEX backup file, as it appears from that Evernote can remove access for this Legacy version whenever they want.

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I agree with many of the complaints about the new Evernote. During this 10.x experience, I have tried a number of Evernote alternatives for the Mac.  None of them have a decent web clipper (it's the first thing I test).  Evernote's web clipper is the absolute best that I have found.  But Evernote has not abandoned us.  I just re-installed Evernote Legacy for the Mac and I am weeping with tears of joy!

Evernote Legacy feels much faster. I can search all my notes from the main window.  I never have to open the Sidebar which takes up valuable screen real estate.  Links in notes open with a single click.  Legacy opens new notes with the cursor in the Title field.  Legacy lets me change notebooks in two clicks without having to open the Sidebar.
 
If you have issues with the new Evernote, reinstall Legacy.  I have been a Premium customer for eleven years and Evernote is crucial to my workflow.  I  migrated 8000 4900 journal entries from Day One (a Mac-only app) in April 2020 to Evernote.  I am now journaling every single day in Evernote on Windows and Mac.  I just wanted a single place for all my notes, web clippings and reference material.  Evernote is that place for me, a university instructor.
 
The good news about Legacy is that you don't have to migrate all your Evernote notes to use it.  It runs alongside the "new" Evernote.  Speaking of "new", I liken the new Evernote to "New Coke", if you get the reference. 
 
Evernote is receiving a lot of criticism about their new app, and frankly they deserve quite a bit of it.  However, in their defense, Evernote is still the best at what they do, they gave us a way to escape the tyranny of Evernote 10 with Legacy and it is still quite easy to export all your notes when it is time to leave.  I am grateful for Evernote and continue to use it every single day.  I have tried most of the others.  Most of them don't hold a candle to Evernote FOR ME.
 
I say that while we provide honest and useful feedback to Evernote about the new app, we must give thanks and applaud them for the greatness of the Legacy app.
 
Thank you, Evernote Legacy!
 
 
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On 12/5/2020 at 4:56 PM, dbvirago said:

The fact that they remove the legacy app each time you install

You can't have two apps with the same name; hence the latest legacy product version is called Evernote Legacy (installation here)
It doesn't get removed when installing the Version 10 product

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On 10/23/2020 at 11:03 AM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Hello, and welcome to the forums. Please search in the forums dedicated to v. 10 regarding performance, notebook colors, etc., which are already under discussion there: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/720-evernote-for-windows-issues-versions-100-and-above/ and https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/731-evernote-for-windows-requests-versions-100-and-above/.

Why? because I didn't find those in a search... What I'm wondering is why wasn't it easier to get to them.

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On 12/4/2020 at 4:22 PM, clarkmcinnis said:

I will remain on a legacy version until I can find an alternative to Evernote or there are enough improvements to v10 to allow me to continue with my current workflow.  Creating and organizing nested tags is one of the most important features for me.

I agree I 've been looking at other options and nothing really interests me 

hopefully they can improve 10x to a point where it's usable for my workflow

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4 hours ago, Ted said:

I agree with many of the complaints about the new Evernote. During this 10.x experience, I have tried a number of Evernote alternatives for the Mac.  None of them have a decent web clipper (it's the first thing I test).  Evernote's web clipper is the absolute best that I have found.  But Evernote has not abandoned us.  I just re-installed Evernote Legacy for the Mac and I am weeping with tears of joy!

Evernote Legacy feels much faster. I can search all my notes from the main window.  I never have to open the Sidebar which takes up valuable screen real estate.  Links in notes open with a single click.  Legacy opens new notes with the cursor in the Title field.  Legacy lets me change notebooks in two clicks without having to open the Sidebar.
 
If you have issues with the new Evernote, reinstall Legacy.  I have been a Premium customer for eleven years and Evernote is crucial to my workflow.  I  migrated 8000 journal entries from Day One (a Mac-only app) in April 2020 to Evernote.  I am now journaling every single day in Evernote on Windows and Mac.  I just wanted a single place for all my notes, web clippings and reference material.  Evernote is that place for me, a university instructor.
 
The good news about Legacy is that you don't have to migrate all your Evernote notes to use it.  It runs alongside the "new" Evernote.  Speaking of "new", I liken the new Evernote to "New Coke", if you get the reference. 
 
Evernote is receiving a lot of criticism about their new app, and frankly they deserve quite a bit of it.  However, in their defense, Evernote is still the best at what they do, they gave us a way to escape the tyranny of Evernote 10 with Legacy and it is still quite easy to export all your notes when it is time to leave.  I am grateful for Evernote and continue to use it every single day.  I have tried most of the others.  Most of them don't hold a candle to Evernote FOR ME.
 
I say that while we provide honest and useful feedback to Evernote about the new app, we must give thanks and applaud them for the greatness of the Legacy app.
 
Thank you, Evernote Legacy!
 
 

I appreciate your post and agree re: the web clipper.

I read a post from an EN employee that said it was impossible to install the legacy version, but then, by chance, I found a link to it so that's what I'm doing. I already had it on my other computers (but getting rid of two of them). I'm a long time Premium user so I was shattered by the idea that I had to suddenly switch to another tool. I would love to know what template you are using for journaling.

Thanks for your valuable post.

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My goal each day is simply to share my feelings about the day.  I don't use a template for journaling because I have never found one that works for me.  I simply record important events, feelings about the day and near- and long-term goals.  BTW, I use a program called Things by Cultured Code for managing my GTD-style to-do list and not Evernote.  I do all I can to turn off the annoying reminders and to-do "features" in Evernote.

I might add that I teach software engineering to college students and I am opinionated.  I have always felt that the UNIX/Linux concept of a single tool performing a single task is the best way to design software.  Deviation from this single-minded focus is what causes software bloat and Evernote may need lap-band surgery.

26 minutes ago, sgarcata said:

I appreciate your post and agree re: the web clipper.

I read a post from an EN employee that said it was impossible to install the legacy version, but then, by chance, I found a link to it so that's what I'm doing. I already had it on my other computers (but getting rid of two of them). I'm a long time Premium user so I was shattered by the idea that I had to suddenly switch to another tool. I would love to know what template you are using for journaling.

Thanks for your valuable post.

 

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I cannot be the only one seeing the jarring discrepancy here between what EN defenders are saying and what EN is plainly saying about its own product. 

The folks staunchly defending Evernote are fervently saying that V10 clearly isn't a finished product, and the hysterical whiners should just patiently stick to Legacy while V10 catches up and stop complaining, or just quit already and move on since they hate EN so much.

But CEO Ian Small himself said plainly in an interview with Tom Solid on YouTube that, from EN's perspective,  only a "very small minority" of users would feel bothered by V10's missing features. In the CEO's view, this is a mainly finished product with features that would please the bulk of its users (eg. he also was of the opinion somehow that only a very tiny percentage of EN users use tags, 3-5% if I recall, an assertion I find hard to believe). 

Wake up, people. I don't think they deserve our faith.

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7 hours ago, DTLow said:

You can't have two apps with the same name; hence the latest legacy product version is called Evernote Legacy (installation here)
It doesn't get removed when installing the Version 10 product

Thanks, I was using 6.25.1 which did get removed. Reinstalling was quick, but resetting all my preferences was not.

 

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6 hours ago, Joel O's said:

The folks staunchly defending Evernote are fervently saying that V10 clearly isn't a finished product

I say the Version 10 product is a work-in-progress, and not ready for general use   
An opinion, but backed up by facts

I recommend users not install v10, or revert to the Legacy product

It's not  "staunchly defending Evernote"
My purpose is to assist users to not get impacted by the v10 issues

>>I don't think they deserve our faith

For myself, it's a question of satisfying my note/document requirements for storage and organization
At the present time, the best product/service is Evernote Legacy; ymmv

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

I say the Version 10 product is a work-in-progress, and not ready for general use   
An opinion, but backed up by facts

Which facts? The fact is that when you go to the Evernote website and you click on "Download app", you get the v10. The fact is that when you go to the App Store and search for v10, you get the v10 version. So... where are the facts that it is not ready for general use? You don't decide about this (as you said... it's your opinion; but I don't agree that you see this is backed up by facts).

Evernote decides about what is to be considered as ready for general use. And they did. Evernote V10 is ready for general use, according to the company building the product. That's the only fact that matters (unfortunately).

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30 minutes ago, bwydoogh said:

Evernote decides about what is to be considered as ready for general use. And they did.

Evernote's document at https://evernote.com/blog/new-windows-mac/    
please be aware that there are a handful of features— ... —that are not yet available. If your workflow depends on these features, you can continue to use our legacy apps

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„Faith“ to a piece of software or to a company is a very one sided faith. In the end it is faith to myself, to pick the right solution.

Currently v10 is lacking a lot that was standard on the old versions. Maybe some of it was not used by many, but it was crucial to workflows that are now broken. I have no issue to use legacy until they get this stuff released - I would have a problem if some (not on the list of terminated features, but still not there) functions do not return.

What should make EN management rethink is this observation: Before v10 this forum was to a high percentage populated by Basic account users looking for help. Since v10 there are a LOT of P&P users here, those that pay for the show. And the v10-enthusiasts among them are - ZERO. So I say: Hey EN, GTD with v10 !

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On 11/10/2020 at 9:34 PM, Austin G said:

We appreciate all of your feedback and hear you. We're continuing to work on building more features and performance improvements in the new Evernote apps.  Our latest release, version 10.3 has significant performance improvements, bug fixes, and some UI improvements. Check out the Coming Soon section of our release notes to see what else is coming soon:

  • Quickly search and move to different note using a keyboard shortcut (Mac - CMD+J, Windows - Ctrl+Q)
  • Create new audio recordings and playback audio files
  • Top list view (the same condensed view as side-list, but the list is on top)
  • Dragging and dropping note links directly into your note
  • Global keyboard shortcuts
  • Additional export options

Others have mentioned it in this thread, but I did want to remind everyone reading that If 10.3 doesn't meet your needs just yet, you can reinstall the legacy version, 6.25.2. from here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/articles/360052560314

We're  committed to keeping the legacy apps available until we're closer to closing the feature gap between them and the new clients.  Since we're making no changes to the app, we feel that there's little risk in introducing a new bug that would potentially block you from using the legacy version. For example, there's still a handful of users using version 6.7.6. released over three years ago without major issues. 

if you develop a new version of a software and the best advice you can give users is to install teh previous version, then maybe you should realize you've gone in the wrong direction...in other words: a very very bad update

I will wait for another month to see if you are correcting your bad decisions and will release a new version that has all the features of the previous ones, or I will cancel my subscription and transfer my notes to an other note-taking-software. There are more than enough useful alternatives. And a customer that left you will not likely come back...

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4 hours ago, DTLow said:

I say the Version 10 product is a work-in-progress, and not ready for general use   
An opinion, but backed up by facts

I recommend users not install v10, or revert to the Legacy product

It's not  "staunchly defending Evernote"
My purpose is to assist users to not get impacted by the v10 issues

>>I don't think they deserve our faith

For myself, it's a question of satisfying my note/document requirements for storage and organization
At the present time, the best product/service is Evernote Legacy; ymmv

I made the mistake to "upgrade" - can I go back to the previous working one?

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1 hour ago, Christophe Gevrey said:

Sorry for the dumb question: How do you colour the notebooks or tags in the legacy version? I have never seen the option.

Right click on the notebook and select "Style" there's a button to the right of the name of the book that allows a colour to be chosen.

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On 11/18/2020 at 6:59 PM, Baron said:

What the Heck are you guys thinking?  Why would you release this version?  Its totally useless!  Put more time into fixing this instead of making fancy videos showing how great this crappy version really is.

No screen capture - which I use all the time.

Evernote scanner is broken

Half the shortcut keys are gone.  

Slow is molasses. 

Note's don't show up on the right pane when you click on them. 

Full of bugs.  Did you guys even beta test this?  I did it in 5 minutes and could tell you not to release this garbage.

This is total BS!  You made me waste a good morning uninstalling and putting the old version back.  Now I don't trust you guys anymore.

Very long time customer,

Andy

Very well summarized.

 

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On 12/2/2020 at 2:13 AM, toao said:

I believe the reason is the emotional bond many folks have / had with evernote. the frustration we all hear - besides the legitimate criticism of the stripping of many features, the general sluggishness of the V10 apps and the communications ***** up around it - is part of a grieving process and a feeling of loss. I know this clearly sounds odd for a piece of software / a service, but it also shows just how dangerous evernote's ***** up could be to its economic base. only time will truly tell, but what's been going on here since the release of V10 is troubling to say the least...

It has to do with how much time and effort we have put into EN to have it really alleviate a lot of pain in handling our information needs and desires. 

It also has to do with the tremendous challenge of researching and choosing an alternative and then moving 10's of thousands of documents, notes, etc. over to a new system.

I was a Lotus Development Business Partner before I retired. I loved Lotus Notes; consulted with clients; developed various workflow/business processes with it. If there was any way to use it as a personal tool, I certainly would today. But, sadly, it isn't affordable for personal use. Then I found Evernote and it satisfies my information needs. Now, after years and 20,000 notes, I have to go through that process all over again. I'm sad and really pissed off.

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Now, after years and 20,000 notes, I have to go through that process all over again. I'm sad and really pissed off.

Why is this a concern for today?   
I'm currently using the Legacy product and have no switching plans for the immediate future

>>choosing an alternative and then moving

In the future, before Legacy sunsets, I will have reviewed alternatives and moved my notes   
The completed Version 10 will be one of the alternatives considered; it would be an easy move

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1 minute ago, DTLow said:

Why is this a concern for today?   
I'm currently using the Legacy product and have no switching to an alternative for the immediate future 

First off, the legacy app has so many bugs, TMTC, and obviously they won't be fixing any.

Secondly, it is only a matter of time before it will no longer be available. I use the premium version which requires a subscription and certain functions that they could drop at any moment; In fact the entire sync function is totally dependent on their servers and their support. You're in a dream world if you think EN, the company, will lift a finger to ensure that these services go forward. 

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6 minutes ago, sgarcata said:

First off, the legacy app has so many bugs, TMTC, and obviously they won't be fixing any.

Secondly, it is only a matter of time before it will no longer be available. I use the premium version which requires a subscription and certain functions that they could drop at any moment; In fact the entire sync function is totally dependent on their servers and their support. You're in a dream world if you think EN, the company, will lift a finger to ensure that these services go forward. 

Plus if there's a security issue discovered, legacy won't be patched!

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2 hours ago, sgarcata said:

.... I was a Lotus Development Business Partner before I retired. I loved Lotus Notes; consulted with clients; developed various workflow/business processes with it. If there was any way to use it as a personal tool, I certainly would today. But, sadly, it isn't affordable for personal use. Then I found Evernote and it satisfies my information needs. Now, after years and 20,000 notes, I have to go through that process all over again. I'm sad and really pissed off.

Hi there sgarcata from a fellow Lotus Notes Business Partner. I LOVED Lotus Notes both as a user and a developer. As a developer at our company, I implemented hundreds of custom designed workflow/business process applications using Lotus Notes for 20 years (started with Notes v1!).

When I retired, I too found Evernote for my personal use. Very disappointed in the EN v10 code base so far, but hopeful that they will continue to add back some of the key v6 functionality that was not initially implemented.

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I really tried to figure out how to utilize LN for personal info and tasks, but once I was no longer a (then) IBM Business Partner (2001) and thus no longer getting free software, I had to abandon that dream. If you ever come across something similar (esp with workflow included), please post here. I've followed you. As a Red Cross volunteer, I'm looking closely at the MS Sharepoint suite of inter-related products and I think I'll be able to cludge something together with them although I can't have my personal data store on the ARC servers so I'll have to see what's available retail. It is so bizarre to be using MS products again after being so critical of their pathetic attempts in the 90's to compete with Lotus Notes! Here we are 25 years later!

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Wonderful forum, if you want the latest doomsday rumors:

  • The legacy client will not be fixed if it has security issues (oooooooohhhhh, s-e-c-u-r-i-t-y is such a killer argument, even if there are no security issues)
  • It is only a matter of time until it will not exist any longer (on the long term, we are all dead, so is legacy)
  • There will be NO support for you (o.k. that’s a good one: Tried support for v10 yet ? The difference to „no“ support is rather slim)

Personally I’m with Asterix the Gaul: The only thing on earth to be afraid of is that the sky may fall down. So don’t worry, just be ...

Happy evernoting with legacy, folks !

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2 minutes ago, sgarcata said:

... It is so bizarre to be using MS products again after being so critical of their pathetic attempts in the 90's to compete with Lotus Notes! Here we are 25 years later!

Oh yes, I remember those feeble and pathetic attempts by MS! To this day, some people at my company (esp the MS defenders) never understood that LN was more than just a "Mail" application.

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RIP ...

It is sure one day it will go, be it because a new OS will not support it, or because EN will be so convinced about v10 that they decide to pull the plug.

So basically continuing with legacy is living on borrowed time.

Either you have confidence in the EN team to develop v10 far enough to support your workflows, or better start looking for greener pasture.

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4 hours ago, oliverthom707 said:

I have 10000 notes is my favourite... like you even look at 5% of them. I suggest if someone has 10000 notes that relies on colour coded tags you aren’t managing your information  very well.

Hmmm, I have about 8,000 work notes from over 10 years.  Do I look at 5% of them?  No, not really, but that is missing the point of a solution like Evernote completely.  I may need to find a contact or a bit of information from one of those notes from 2012, and there is this thing called "Search" that lets me pull that up from the records database quite easily (in the legacy app, but not in the 10.x app currently).  I don't use color coding, but I do use tags extensively, so really, if I have a note from Company X from 2012, I can just click that tag and what I am looking for is likely no more than 10 records deep.

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1 minute ago, NorcalScott said:

Hmmm, I have about 8,000 work notes from over 10 years.  Do I look at 5% of them?  No, not really, but that is missing the point of a solution like Evernote completely.  I may need to find a contact or a bit of information from one of those notes from 2012, and there is this thing called "Search" that lets me pull that up from the records database quite easily (in the legacy app, but not in the 10.x app currently).  I don't use color coding, but I do use tags extensively, so really, if I have a note from Company X from 2012, I can just click that tag and what I am looking for is likely no more than 10 records deep.

Yup.  51k notes at this point and I have no interest in house cleaning.  The thing with pruning notes is that based on Murphy's Law I would prune the wrong ones no matter my diligence.  Since it's a digital data base any space saved is inconsequential.  Not to mention, as lazy as I am I don't think the effort is worth the result.  Good tagging and overall search works well for me.  FWIW.

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I have been a Premium User for over 15 years and I am thoroughly disappointed with the upgrade, or rather the downgrade. I try to search documents in only one Notebook but it doesn't limit the search to only one notebook. There is no "Search Everything" button as the support topic suggests. 

Evernote has always been my "goto" app but now I must resort to searching for a new similar app. If anyone has a suggestion please let me know.

Thanks

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