# Hate the new Evernote

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Right inside the „what is new ...“ articles on the EN help landing page:

There is one document for each client. You have to go a little down in the articles, leaving the marketing chitchat behind. The list „features no longer supported“ is probably not complete, but these features are gone for good.

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Thanks for nothing. In one swoop you have completely destroyed my workflow and 7 years worth of an information database. Many moons ago with the idiotic limitation of 250 notebooks I was forced t

You destroyed Evernote with this new version. Why don't you think twice about ***** people's lives? Everything that has changed has changed for the worse. I have been using it since 2012. The worst ve

Clugey, slow, and my colored tags are gone. Are there any alternatives that I can  transfer my Evernotes into?

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3 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

Right inside the „what is new ...“ articles on the EN help landing page:

There is one document for each client. You have to go a little down in the articles, leaving the marketing chitchat behind. The list „features no longer supported“ is probably not complete, but these features are gone for good.

Thank you kindly, @PinkElephant!

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21 hours ago, DTLow said:

Tomorrow???
I have no doubt that the Legacy product will be available for download and supported tomorrow

I have no doubt this support will stop at some point in the future
At that time (or before), I will switch products
Our expectation/hope is the Version 10 product will be ready for general use; I'm monitoring the progress

We are in violent agreement on almost all points. The difference seems to be you define "support" along the lines of "it was working the last time I checked" and I define it along the lines of a product warranty. Your Windows XP computer in the attic might still "work" but that doesn't mean you should expect support from Microsoft.

21 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

Why do you think that Evernote could 'hit a kill switch' even if they wanted to? The Blackberry OS client works fine and that was last updated in 2015. As long as the client speaks correctly with the Evernote API it will continue to work, and the Evernote API is rock solid.

The API being rock solid doesn't mean jack if you rely on access to servers you don't control. Evernote has shown they can add and kill program features and subscription terms whenever they wish. Hell, Ian Small's opinion of tags seems to have changed in the short time since the initial v10 release. A stable API is no guarantee of future support for application features or existing workflows. Or Legacy client access for that matter.

Of course there's always a chance that the trust you, PinkElephant, and other loyalists demonstrate is justified. I might be unduly skeptical of the customer support to be expected of an erstwhile sock company. Time will tell.

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1 hour ago, rts said:

We are in violent agreement on almost all points. The difference seems to be you define "support" along the lines of "it was working the last time I checked" and I define it along the lines of a product warranty. Your Windows XP computer in the attic might still "work" but that doesn't mean you should expect support from Microsoft.

The API being rock solid doesn't mean jack if you rely on access to servers you don't control. Evernote has shown they can add and kill program features and subscription terms whenever they wish. Hell, Ian Small's opinion of tags seems to have changed in the short time since the initial v10 release. A stable API is no guarantee of future support for application features or existing workflows. Or Legacy client access for that matter.

Of course there's always a chance that the trust you, PinkElephant, and other loyalists demonstrate is justified. I might be unduly skeptical of the customer support to be expected of an erstwhile sock company. Time will tell.

You seem not to know what a rock-solid API is. Evernote has show that they do not change their API. The desktop and mobile clients are not the only things which use Evernote's API. Changing them is just not an option.

How do you think Evernote will stop a legacy client connecting to the API?

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What does it mean, I am a loyalist ? This: 👑

Or maybe this: ⚔️

No emoji of a guillotine, for emotional distress maybe ...

On 3/10/2021 at 9:08 AM, jmshrrsn said:

But being told to use the legacy version is like spending £30k on the latest spec GTi and then being told to drive last year's model.

Boy prices sure are higher for EN in the UK. Must be a Brexit thing.

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Yes yes yes! Evernote is completely ruined. I keep using it less and less. I just don't have free time to test alternative software, but now it's SUCH A PAIN to use the new interface. Absolutely horrible update.

Before that Evernote was flawless, very good and so positively affected my life. But now I suffer when use it. Make a option to use old interface or fork a branch.

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That's exactly how I feel. I also used to think Evernote was great and postively affected my life. I find that I am using it less and less because I don't trust it anymore. I realize now that a time my come when I lose access to my documents. Already I can't scan things into the new evernote and no longer can use the search function on the legacy version. It's an awful situation.

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Come on, folks. Killing the performance FOREVER in exchange of some programming convenience. Isn't that bad enough?

As a developer, I'd never commit such mistake. 90% people are complaining about the performance and bugs. New Evernote is sluggish, filled with hang bugs (those bugs which the screen turns blank empty, and never loads). It's unusable.

I'm running the Legacy, since few alternatives are worth (Nimbus Note is better in features, but is as slow as new Evernote, being another bad Electron app). I Hope you, guys behind the scene, KEEP the Legacy app supported (I mean, working as it's) for the next 5 years. I'll keep paying and using the Evernote up until the both Legacy Android and Windows apps keep working fine. Later, I'll probably move to Joplin.

Thanks!

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It is not difficult to parse and ingest exported enex archives and their referents into simple (open source) tools not subject to market imperatives of novelty, growth and obsolescence.

Evernote was.

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23 hours ago, Matheus Bitencourt said:

Legacy Android

Thanks!

Hello, where you will get Android Legacy?

I have installed a former version as describe above, but I cannot find a "Legacy" for Android

As a 10+ yr user and premium user, the last draw to keep me on Evernote is the Legacy app on the Mac. I dont get why Evernote never ever listen? You're losing your loyal customers if that's not a sign, what is?

The last thing that i wanted to do is to leave Evernote, but if Evernote does not listen to the customers. Sadly people will leave and never come back.

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To the evernote team:

Please please please, for the love of all that is holy, keep supporting the legacy version of evernote until I get time to think about how to get all my data off of evernote.  I have paid you many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars over the years, hoping that this paperless solution would last forever, if not a long time... isn't that what the "ever" in your product name is supposed to mean?

Keep supporting the legacy version for a while.... the least you can give me is that.

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On 4/3/2021 at 7:25 PM, xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx said:

It is not difficult to parse and ingest exported enex

Or export in html format, which generates separate note records in html format, readable by any browser app

19 hours ago, KevinPauli said:

To the evernote team:

Please please please, for the love of all that is holy, keep supporting the legacy version of evernote until I get time to think about how to get all my data off of evernote.  I have paid you many hundreds, if not thousands of dollars over the years, hoping that this paperless solution would last forever, if not a long time... isn't that what the "ever" in your product name is supposed to mean?

Keep supporting the legacy version for a while.... the least you can give me is that.

1. Legacy is already an unsupported version.

2. It's only still compatible with EvN servers' API, but this can change any moment...

3. Legacy can also stop working because of some new upgrades to Windows or Mac (some say Legacy doesn't work with Mac's M1 processor...)

BTW EvN mostly doesn't listen to the voice of this forum. Moreover, begging a commercial company for a mercy is pathetic...

On 4/3/2021 at 9:11 PM, Matheus Bitencourt said:

Come on, folks. Killing the performance FOREVER in exchange of some programming convenience. Isn't that bad enough?

As a developer, I'd never commit such mistake. 90% people are complaining about the performance and bugs. New Evernote is sluggish, filled with hang bugs (those bugs which the screen turns blank empty, and never loads). It's unusable.

I'm running the Legacy, since few alternatives are worth (Nimbus Note is better in features, but is as slow as new Evernote, being another bad Electron app). I Hope you, guys behind the scene, KEEP the Legacy app supported (I mean, working as it's) for the next 5 years. I'll keep paying and using the Evernote up until the both Legacy Android and Windows apps keep working fine. Later, I'll probably move to Joplin.

Thanks!

Hello, Matheus:

Would appreciate your comments on the pros and cons of Joplin vs. EN Legacy.

THX.

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2 hours ago, Kolmir said:

1. Legacy is already an unsupported version.

...but it is still working,  and Evernote have said that they'll keep it going for the time being.  There's no clue when that might stop - but then you have the choice either to update or move. And Evernote 10.10 seems to be here a few months after the first launch. Who knows? It might even be usable in a couple more releases. Meantime agonising over what might happen is just wasting time - your computer might crash / your service provider go bust / you could get hit by a bus.  All you can do is deal with what actually happens...

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5 hours ago, gazumped said:

...but it is still working,  and Evernote have said that they'll keep it going for the time being.  There's no clue when that might stop - but then you have the choice either to update or move. And Evernote 10.10 seems to be here a few months after the first launch. Who knows? It might even be usable in a couple more releases. Meantime agonising over what might happen is just wasting time - your computer might crash / your service provider go bust / you could get hit by a bus.  All you can do is deal with what actually happens...

Come on... EvN is known to broke promises... 😉

And assessing risks, i.e. what may or may not happen and relevantly mitigate threats is a pretty useful business activity.

And with EvN 10.x I experienced some of my precious data literally vanishing in front of my eyes...

Therefore, today my premium EvN membership expired. I'm happy and better suited with another tools for knowledge management.

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54 minutes ago, Kolmir said:

I'm happy and better suited with another tools for knowledge management.

Entirely your decision of course.  Just saying that -for the moment- there is no greater threat or risk from Evernote than anywhere else.  If they make a decision to close the server access it will be set months into the future - and that's when I'll start to worry.  Until then everything else is a distraction.

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58 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Just saying that -for the moment- there is no greater threat or risk from Evernote than anywhere else.  If they make a decision to close the server access it will be set months into the future - and that's when I'll start to worry.  Until then everything else is a distraction.

Nope. EvN communication under Ian Small is pretty inconsistent and incompetent. Many decisions are at least strange... No roadmaps, no timelines for beta, etc.

Microsoft or Google inform about an end of a product development mostly years in advance, while keeping support of them for years.

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2 hours ago, Kolmir said:

Nope. EvN communication under Ian Small is pretty inconsistent and incompetent. Many decisions are at least strange... No roadmaps, no timelines for beta, etc.

Microsoft or Google inform about an end of a product development mostly years in advance, while keeping support of them for years.

Since Joplin and nimbus are getting better and better in EN-import, the safest place for my notes is evernote 🙂

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On 4/3/2021 at 2:11 PM, Matheus Bitencourt said:

Come on, folks. Killing the performance FOREVER in exchange of some programming convenience. Isn't that bad enough?

As a developer, I'd never commit such mistake. 90% people are complaining about the performance and bugs. New Evernote is sluggish, filled with hang bugs (those bugs which the screen turns blank empty, and never loads). It's unusable.

I'm running the Legacy, since few alternatives are worth (Nimbus Note is better in features, but is as slow as new Evernote, being another bad Electron app). I Hope you, guys behind the scene, KEEP the Legacy app supported (I mean, working as it's) for the next 5 years. I'll keep paying and using the Evernote up until the both Legacy Android and Windows apps keep working fine. Later, I'll probably move to Joplin.

It's unlikely the "legacy" native clients will ever receive any further updates. At some point they will make sufficiently breaking changes to their API and/or the ENEX format that will render the legacy clients unusable — it is only a matter of time before this happens. There's already significant drift between them in terms of markup support.

One of the many things I can't quite understand about their idiotic strategy for v10 is the "one code base" argument. See, the thing is, there are still five different applications on three completely different framework/backend stacks (the iOS/Android mobile apps (React Native), macOS/Windows (Electron), and the web version). In each case, the node.js backend also differs substantially. Yes, there is some limited code reuse between the first two and between the later three in both the front end and the backend, but they are ultimately still developing for five major platforms that each require significant work unique to the platform with three completely different framework/backend stacks.

Sure, most of their development can now be done in JavaScript, but the trade-off for that is that their UI is no longer native (and they get the fun of having to put in quite a lot of work to re-implement functionality that somewhat mimics native behavior), their application gobbles down compute and memory resources to an absurd degree, and the performance is like molasses to boot (which is a particularly terrible sin in a note/productivity app).

To add insult to injury, after running absurdly brief preview and beta periods, during which they largely ignored the flood of alarmed feedback from the customers who were selected to act as preview/beta testers, they then forcibly foist this steaming pile of garbage onto their loyal customers that have been faithfully paying them upwards of $70/year (a number which has kept climbing) for their product (and had been fanatically evangelizing about it for well over a decade). Then, to try to distract customers from the fact that this new app is a steaming pile of garbage that has lost 90% of its functionality, gained a huge number of new bugs, and now runs slower than a pig in molasses, they waste development effort on slapping together a new near-worthless bug-riddled "home" feature that nobody had asked for. Yet fear not dear reader, for DTlow is here to whisper soothing lies about the status of v10 and wax enthusiastically about the relative gloriousness of the abandoned and unsupported legacy native apps, on whose backs this company attained the reputation that it has now ruined and the fanatical customer base that are now fleeing this sinking ship in dismay. • 3 ##### Link to post 6 hours ago, Garzfoth said: Yet fear not dear reader, for DTlow is here to whisper soothing lies Wow, that seems unduly harsh. DTLow has merely adopted the iffin'-it-ain't-broke-don't-fix-it approach to an established workflow using the Legacy version. That's a perfectly reasonable approach for some people. Others of us have found it time to move on and started exploring or actually migrating to other software. A mild sense of panic or being peeved can be useful if used to spur one to action. In any event, Ian Small's never seeing another dime of my money. 18 hours ago, ab1kenobee said: Hello, Matheus: Would appreciate your comments on the pros and cons of Joplin vs. EN Legacy. Not addressed to me, but for what it's worth here are a few thoughts from someone who's shifted to using Joplin unless a feature of Evernote is absolutely needed. I mostly used Evernote to write notes, import PDF documents, and search through that information. On the writing notes part Joplin is perfectly usable and the search aspect is much faster than Evernote. When it comes to OCR, however, Joplin is not (so far) a viable option. It's one thing to be able to insert a screenshot or attach a PDF to a note as a record for research, taxes, expense reports, etc. Creating a note that supports searching the text of a PDF or an image is a different matter entirely. Can you get around that limitation through external programs or the creative use of tags, sub-notebooks, etc.? Absolutely. Will that workflow be as easy as it used to be in Evernote? Probably not. On the first few pages of this thread you can read people's woes because their fonts and carefully tweaked note formats were altered by v10. I'd be surprised and happy to discover they've found alternatives that didn't muck with their carefully crafted note designs. I'm not optimistic about their options. Certainly Joplin is not that alternative. • 3 • 1 ##### Link to post 12 hours ago, Kolmir said: Nope. EvN communication under Ian Small is pretty inconsistent and incompetent. Many decisions are at least strange... No roadmaps, no timelines for beta, etc. Microsoft or Google inform about an end of a product development mostly years in advance, while keeping support of them for years. I'm really not sure Evernote can stop the legacy apps from working. The evernote API is rock solid, so much so that the blackberry OS client (which was last updated 6 years ago) still works just like it ever did. If the legacy apps stop working it will be because the OS manufacturer through incompetence or malevolence breaks stuff so the app cannot run anymore (e.g. apple with the new chips). ##### Link to post 6 hours ago, Garzfoth said: It's unlikely the "legacy" native clients will ever receive any further updates. At some point they will make sufficiently breaking changes to their API and/or the ENEX format that will render the legacy clients unusable — it is only a matter of time before this happens. There's already significant drift between them in terms of markup support. One of the many things I can't quite understand about their idiotic strategy for v10 is the "one code base" argument. See, the thing is, there are still five different applications on three completely different framework/backend stacks (the iOS/Android mobile apps (React Native), macOS/Windows (Electron), and the web version). In each case, the node.js backend also differs substantially. Yes, there is some limited code reuse between the first two and between the later three in both the front end and the backend, but they are ultimately still developing for five major platforms that each require significant work unique to the platform with three completely different framework/backend stacks. Sure, most of their development can now be done in JavaScript, but the trade-off for that is that their UI is no longer native (and they get the fun of having to put in quite a lot of work to re-implement functionality that somewhat mimics native behavior), their application gobbles down compute and memory resources to an absurd degree, and the performance is like molasses to boot (which is a particularly terrible sin in a note/productivity app). To add insult to injury, after running absurdly brief preview and beta periods, during which they largely ignored the flood of alarmed feedback from the customers who were selected to act as preview/beta testers, they then forcibly foist this steaming pile of garbage onto their loyal customers that have been faithfully paying them upwards of$70/year (a number which has kept climbing) for their product (and had been fanatically evangelizing about it for well over a decade).

Then, to try to distract customers from the fact that this new app is a steaming pile of garbage that has lost 90% of its functionality, gained a huge number of new bugs, and now runs slower than a pig in molasses, they waste development effort on slapping together a new near-worthless bug-riddled "home" feature that nobody had asked for.

Yet fear not dear reader, for DTlow is here to whisper soothing lies about the status of v10 and wax enthusiastically about the relative gloriousness of the abandoned and unsupported legacy native apps, on whose backs this company attained the reputation that it has now ruined and the fanatical customer base that are now fleeing this sinking ship in dismay.

For me as an Android and Web user, evernote has never been better. It has more features and is more stable than ever before. Also behaviour is now consistent between the apps and the rate of development is 10 times higher than it used to be.

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2 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

For me as an Android and Web user, evernote has never been better. It has more features and is more stable than ever before. Also behaviour is now consistent between the apps and the rate of development is 10 times higher than it used to be.

For my workflow, I also prefer the windows V10 in dark theme now above the legacy version except for the missing import-folder and html export

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2 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

I'm really not sure Evernote can stop the legacy apps from working. The evernote API is rock solid, so much so that the blackberry OS client (which was last updated 6 years ago) still works just like it ever did. If the legacy apps stop working it will be because the OS manufacturer through incompetence or malevolence breaks stuff so the app cannot run anymore (e.g. apple with the new chips).

That is the strength of EN: eml is a strong well defined xml format,  described in a xml scheme. This can't be said from other note apps where less standardized export formats are used (joplin...)

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51 minutes ago, eric99 said:

That is the strength of EN: eml is a strong well defined xml format,  described in a xml scheme. This can't be said from other note apps where less standardized export formats are used (joplin...)

Yep. many people here think that evernote is a desktop application. for companies it isn't. Evernote is a stable and reliable implementation of the evernote APIs, and companies have their own in house workflows which connect directly to these APIs. If Evernote ever changed these APIs in a manner that is not backwards compatible, they would literally no longer have a customer for their product.

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19 hours ago, Kolmir said:

I'm happy and better suited with another tools for knowledge management.

Hello, Kolmir:

Which tool have you decided to migrate to... and why?

THX.  ~ Alan

3 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

Hello, Kolmir:

Which tool have you decided to migrate to... and why?

THX.  ~ Alan

Hi Alan,

You can find main info in this post

Why?

Apple/Google/MS are big firms, maybe a bit slow but stable/reliable enough. With clear rules about support and app lifecycle. And I like/respect their CEOs.. 😉

Moreover, Apple Notes and OneNote are still native apps, fast, and UX-friendly. Their workflows are more appropriate for my goals/needs, i.e. knowledge management and R&D. For example OneNote hierarchy is especially useful to me with: Notebooks/Sections/Note-pages and few levels of Subpages - which I can order as I like. Plus, after reopening ON always remember the exact place in every Section/page from the previous session - a small but nice thing. And many others adventages...

As a bonus: during import from EvN I rediscovered many old useful notes (which I forgot) and also found some new ways to utilize them better.

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Kolmir:

Thank you much!

~ Alan

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9 hours ago, eric99 said:

That is the strength of EN: eml is a strong well defined xml format,  described in a xml scheme. This can't be said from other note apps where less standardized export formats are used (joplin...)

This would be a more relevant argument if people in this thread were complaining about XML or the API. But they aren't, are they? They're complaining about the client software and (especially) the poor decisions being made by Evernote the company. Your TLAs aren't magic shields that can protect you from Ian Small.

Your Joplin comment manages to be both ignorant and specious. The GitHub version of Markdown is widely used but even if Joplin used a lesser known version of Markdown I wouldn't care. Joplin's export options include HTML and PDF -- both of which I think you'll grant are reasonably standardized.

I suspect you also don't realize the advantages that the simple text format at the heart of Joplin provide: faster and more versatile searches than Evernote provides. If I want to drop a dubious equation into a note I can either take advantage of the included KaTeX feature and jot down "$$\pi=22/7$$" for a centered equation as found in books or simply "π=22/7" for inline text. Similarly, if I were to make notes on this thread I'd probably be using "バカ!" a lot. While both Evernote and Joplin allow the use of katakana in a note only Joplin will return search results. Unless you count Evernote's "No notes found" as a search result.

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Thanks to all who contribute to this thread.  Having tried the new Evernote a coupler of times and absolutely hated it, I am glad to see that alternatives are coming along.

After more than a decade on premium, I am definitely leaving as soon as I see an easy escape, and thanks to folks here, I am seeing plausible exits opening up.  I did port to OneNote as an experiment but that did not work well.  Besides, even on a desktop, ON is very Internet and server dependent and as a consequence, unpredictable, and unresponsive at times, at least when I tried it and the way I was experimenting.

As I am watching, by promoting an alpha grade app lacking essential features and eliminating features I use daily,  Evernote is cutting its own throat, alienating its loyal user base. and foolishly filling in its moat, while lowering the drawbridge and making assaults on its' lead in the note business easier for newcomers.

In another decade EN will be history if this trend continues.   Any company so foolish as to offend and inconvenience its userbase the way EN has is not a company to entrust one's data to.

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10 hours ago, allendick said:

Thanks to all who contribute to this thread.  Having tried the new Evernote a coupler of times and absolutely hated it, I am glad to see that alternatives are coming along.

After more than a decade on premium, I am definitely leaving as soon as I see an easy escape, and thanks to folks here, I am seeing plausible exits opening up.  I did port to OneNote as an experiment but that did not work well.  Besides, even on a desktop, ON is very Internet and server dependent and as a consequence, unpredictable, and unresponsive at times, at least when I tried it and the way I was experimenting.

As I am watching, by promoting an alpha grade app lacking essential features and eliminating features I use daily,  Evernote is cutting its own throat, alienating its loyal user base. and foolishly filling in its moat, while lowering the drawbridge and making assaults on its' lead in the note business easier for newcomers.

In another decade EN will be history if this trend continues.   Any company so foolish as to offend and inconvenience its userbase the way EN has is not a company to entrust one's data to.

If you were an Android or a Web user then Evernote had spent 10 years offending and inconveniencing you. v.10 is the first decent Evernote app for these platforms (the most used platforms in the world btw.) that i'm aware of.

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3 hours ago, ehrt74 said:

v.10 is the first decent Evernote app for these platforms (the most used platforms in the world btw.) that i'm aware of.

Hello ehrt74:

Considering the all too many shortcomings of v.10 listed in this thread by long-time EN Subscribers...

HOW do you justify writing: "FIRST DECENT EN APP" ???

From a practical usage perspective... kindly detail your thinking.

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I dropped in to see if the problems I'd been having were a one-off but clearly not - the current evernote is a disaster - too unstable for everyday usage.

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2 hours ago, ab1kenobee said:

Hello ehrt74:

Considering the all too many shortcomings of v.10 listed in this thread by long-time EN Subscribers...

HOW do you justify writing: "FIRST DECENT EN APP" ???

From a practical usage perspective... kindly detail your thinking.

the web and android versions were a mess before v10. now they are a lot better.

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UPDATE - THIS EVENING WINDOWS 10 UPDATED ITSELF AND EN WEB STARTED LOADING FASTER - DOWN TO 25 SEC VS 45 SEC AND THREE REFRESHES. THAT'S A BIG IMPROVEMENT AND EN UPDATED ITSELF TOO - EN Web Client v 10.11.4 web 241
Editor: v121.2.15734 Service: v1.32.3 - works much better now! (still a lot slower than it used to be)

I'm a long term premium member. I mostly use the web client and the desktop (Windows 10) to work on my notebooks.

The web client is MUCH SLOWER than it used to be. I have to load the page 3 times in either Chrome or Edge to get it to load - and then it takes 10-15 seconds to show my notes. Overall, it takes almost 45 seconds to load to the Web Client since I have to refresh the page three times!

I've got nearly 5,000 notes, but I'm starting to clean them out using Legacy and export them while I still can. I have loved Evernote and promoted it to many of my friends. But, I do a lot of research, and I need a reliable note app that won't take away my favorite features! I like the Legacy app but it's only temporary and not being supported.

I'm probably switching to One Note since I already pay for Office. One Note for Windows 10 will let you dictate notes and I really like that feature.

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I'd love to love the new EN.  I have been an evangelist for it in the past, but its reliance on web syncing all of the time means it is not as stable as it should be.  I am WFH today, so have good, fast internet. There have been no connection problems here today, but working in EN and suddenly a table I am working in disappeared and is replaced by an "Unable to Load" notification.

I tried closing, re-opening etc and eventually I got most of it back, but the table is one that I need to update on site tomorrow on 4G and I'm very worried that it will do the same again.

I have been with EN as a Premium user since August 2013, so a lot of my personal and work life is in EN.  I have never had a problem with syncing or loss of data before. This is the second time since v10 that I have encountered this, and one of my main reasons to support EN was that it just worked.  Now it doesn't quite so well.

I want to be loyal, and not have to mess around moving stuff to other apps.  Onenote looks nice, but seems to lack some of the speed that used to be the USP of EN.  I have looked at Nimbus, and like the look, tasks features etc, but I am worried that my data will be somewhere in Siberia.

I really hope that there are upgrades soon as my subscription expires in May and at present I'm not inclined to renew.

On 4/7/2021 at 7:13 AM, rts said:

Not addressed to me, but for what it's worth here are a few thoughts from someone who's shifted to using Joplin unless a feature of Evernote is absolutely needed. I mostly used Evernote to write notes, import PDF documents, and search through that information. On the writing notes part Joplin is perfectly usable and the search aspect is much faster than Evernote.

When it comes to OCR, however, Joplin is not (so far) a viable option. It's one thing to be able to insert a screenshot or attach a PDF to a note as a record for research, taxes, expense reports, etc. Creating a note that supports searching the text of a PDF or an image is a different matter entirely. Can you get around that limitation through external programs or the creative use of tags, sub-notebooks, etc.? Absolutely. Will that workflow be as easy as it used to be in Evernote? Probably not.

On the first few pages of this thread you can read people's woes because their fonts and carefully tweaked note formats were altered by v10. I'd be surprised and happy to discover they've found alternatives that didn't muck with their carefully crafted note designs. I'm not optimistic about their options. Certainly Joplin is not that alternative.

Joplin cannot OCR reliably PDFs (like Evernote legacy did) and due to single DB replicated to mobile isn't best solution for HUGE pile of data, BUT is perfect if you consider formatted text data, with speed superior to Evernote v10, provides unlimited nesting of folders and backups retain unique identifiers (as opposed to Evernote backups - links no longer works after restoring from backup!).

I use both Joplin and Evernote Legacy in paralel, but most of my new text entries go to Joplin, while attachment-heavy dumps go to Evernote.

A big concern for me is the reliance on an Internet connection.  That is an issue with OneNote, too.

I am often out of coverage or in sketchy regions and the legacy desktop is perfect for me because I have all notes at hand locally.  The mobile apps are less useable that way and I have had problems when I tried changing a note to offline on the Android app.  Actually it would be nice to be able to have all the notes on my Android. I have lots of room. Maybe it is possible with one simple action?  Probably not.

Maybe developers think it is cool to keep moving things around, hiding actions in small icons, and adding and subtracting features seemingly randomly and updating with unexpected minor changes constantly,  but for users who expect to open an app, find it familiar and working as expected, such tricks are annoying.

hen in a meeting and opening the app to see an important page and finding the app updated and  perhaps intercepting with a 'look at the new whatever' screen one realizes they have no clue what we actually need and want.

We (I) don't want useless 'home' screens and neat gimmicks.

Guys like me just want the old familiar page customized the way we like it.  Sure there were issues like formatting and non functional forward and back features, but we've learned to live with that and hope for a fix.

I don't see any way I will ever switch to ten.

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13 minutes ago, allendick said:

I don't see any way I will ever switch to ten.

You have perfectly valid points,  and it's obviously your decision if/ when you decide to change.  As I've said (many times now...) I'll worry about changing from Legacy when Evernote tell me that it won't work after a certain date - I'm sure we'll have reasonable notice,  maybe even months' notice of that happening.

Not defending any of the changes (heard today of another feature that "we haven't decided yet whether to include that in version 10" !!! - if it was in Legacy it's a no-brainer!!) but I would say that many changes into Windows 10 are compromises between bring all the apps together,  and what is possible in the package they're using.  These are bound to be more traumatic changes than ever before - but at least once a process is set up in v10,  it should be consistent for the future.  The whimsical changes that we've seen are (hopefully) a one-time deal!

1 hour ago, gazumped said:

As I've said (many times now...) I'll worry about changing from Legacy when Evernote tell me that it won't work after a certain date - I'm sure we'll have reasonable notice,  maybe even months' notice of that happening.

Maybe the time has come.
I have synced after adding a note (with 2 attachments) using legacy desktop app but couldn't find that note on the web 😠

On 4/8/2021 at 1:58 AM, ab1kenobee said:

Hello ehrt74:

Considering the all too many shortcomings of v.10 listed in this thread by long-time EN Subscribers...

HOW do you justify writing: "FIRST DECENT EN APP" ???

From a practical usage perspective... kindly detail your thinking.

On 4/8/2021 at 4:00 AM, ehrt74 said:

the web and android versions were a mess before v10. now they are a lot better.

Hmm, ehrt74's response doesn't seem particular detailed. I wonder why. Out of curiosity I just checked a tablet equipped with Android Evernote V8.13.3 (June '20 release) and the sidebar, for example, seems indistinguishable from the new, improved web version.

That said, I must recant a previous criticism of Evernote when comparing it to Joplin. A check today showed both apps returning proper results for Japanese, Russian, German, et al. The lack of search results I previously noted had only been observed using the New! Improved! web interface. That would be same interface that flashed the New! Improved! red alert box announcing a sync error had occurred. Repeatedly. Over an ethernet connection. Perhaps ehrt74 meant to write "FIRST DECENT SYNC ERROR MESSAGES" earlier? Or perhaps the vague arm-waving response was simply an homage to the level of detail in Evernote's feature roadmap for v10.

Just kidding, ehrt74. The v10 web interface does feature a new "View options" button. Unlike last year's Android release, however, clicking the button doesn't reveal any options. Just a text box announcing:

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"More view options, including card view, are coming soon. You can help by taking this quick survey. We need your help because management accidentally deleted all copies of our earlier beta test responses and nobody here actually uses the product. Thanks a bunch."

Well, perhaps my memory is playing tricks on me with the last two sentences.

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On 4/8/2021 at 12:00 PM, ehrt74 said:

the web and android versions were a mess before v10. now they are a lot better.

For the first two and a half months of 2020 the v8 Android app was probably the app I used second most (behind a v5 Mac app) using it every day and I found it perfectly fine... Web seemed fine too on the occasions I used it, which I admit wasn't often...

Actually last I tried I found I can't use the new web app, just wouldn't load at all for me, so I have myself set to one of the TWO other web versions... just checked and I have it set to "classic" as opposed to either "previous" or "new"... Perfectly usable...

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10 hours ago, rts said:

The v10 web interface does feature a new "View options" button. Unlike last year's Android release, however, clicking the button doesn't reveal any options. Just a text box announcing:

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"More view options, including card view, are coming soon. You can help by taking this quick survey. We need your help because management accidentally deleted all copies of our earlier beta test responses and nobody here actually uses the product. Thanks a bunch."

I'm not quite sure what version of the web interface you are using. Here is a screenshot from my account:

54 minutes ago, Mike P said:

I'm not quite sure what version of the web interface you are using. Here is a screenshot from my account:

At a glance I appear to be using Evernote Web v5.33.0 from Firefox on a Windows 10 PC. I'm guessing you were using something else.

50 minutes ago, rts said:

I'm guessing you were using something else.

I'm using 10.11.4 on Chrome. You are not using V10. Either that is a deliberate choice of you have a large account. Accounts with more than a certain number of notes (I don't recall and can't find how many) are not being updated to the web veresion of V10 at the moment.

32 minutes ago, ab1kenobee said:

This is a NON-SUBSTANTIVE response per my request:

On 4/8/2021 at 10:58 AM, ab1kenobee said:

Hello ehrt74:

Considering the all too many shortcomings of v.10 listed in this thread by long-time EN Subscribers...

HOW do you justify writing: "FIRST DECENT EN APP" ???

From a practical usage perspective... kindly detail your thinking.

Of course, my lord and master.

In Android we now have usable tags and a usable text editor. The same for the web version. The web version also supports batch functions and nested tags (it didn't use to).

This is quite basic stuff which was missing before.

I don't know about you but I quite like being able to format notes the same on all my devices and use tags the same as well. Maybe these capabilities are of no use to you, but just because I like them does not mean that I am just being a troll. It may mean that I know something you don't.

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