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Hi.  You don't mention whether this is Mac, Windows or mobile,  but have you tried stepping back to the last public version?  v10 is pretty much a skeleton so doesn't display much,  but if your data still exists within Evernote (or you have a usable backup) you may find the Legacy versions are the best place to stay for a while... 

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I think I'll find my copy of "The Inmates are Running the Asylum - Why High Tech Products Drive Us Crazy and How to Restore the Sanity" while waiting for an answer.

 

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At a guess, it's a feature that's used by a very small percentage of users and so hasn't been prioritised. Best bet is to stick with the old version for the time being. If it's a key feature for you and they decide not to bring it back then it's time to take you $$s elsewhere.

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This update is catastrophic. The colors of the notebooks have disappeared.

It is terribly slow. Updates must not degrade the user experience, how to download the old version ? We have to go back, this version is very bad.

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Please tell me this isn't the final version? 

I like the dark mode, but that's about it for likes. 

Some of my gripes, maybe there's some hidden settings I've not been able to find...

No shortcuts at the top of the window where they're always visible. 

No right click to add a new word to the dictionary

No colours for notebook titles,  

Notebooks too spaced out vertically in the window, I can only see about 20 now. 

Tags at the bottom of the note rather than the top. 

Plus lots of other annoyances. 

 

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And pray tell me, why a multi year premium user who's used Evernote since 2009 should have to have their posts on the official Evernote forums even wait to be moderated!?

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Hello, and welcome to the forums. Please search in the forums dedicated to v. 10 regarding performance, notebook colors, etc., which are already under discussion there: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/720-evernote-for-windows-issues-versions-100-and-above/ and https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/731-evernote-for-windows-requests-versions-100-and-above/.

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Mac v10.1.7 update has been quite upsetting. How come they took away so many features. Or am I blind and just can't find the features I am used to? Since none of my support tickets have been answered, hope someone could help me here.

  • When I create a note in a shared notebook, I used hit [Share] which opens a chat with the link to the note where I write a message about the note. This feature is gone. I need it back so badly.
  • Preferences is gone. How do I disable Evernote from the menu bar? I don't want to have it there.
  • How do you customize keyboard shortcuts? This feature is also gone.
  • ⌘ + ⇧ + A is no longer showing me All Notes. How do I jump back to All Notes when I am in a specific notebook?
  • The notification icon is gone. I need it to see what others updated when.
  • Sync icon is gone. I need it when I can't wait for 5 min.
  • Window position is not remembered. Every time I start and login Mac app, it opens centered where I don't want it to be. Why this way? Frustrating.
  • Copying Link is gone. How one is supposed to copy a link?

Thank you for any help! I am loosing my mind!

-Hiro

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I think it’s great. Not perfect, but still far better than OneNote etc.

the edge cases needed to go, this baselining of the product across platforms vital for the future success of the product. It will get better.

all I ever read on these forums is negativity for very specific use-cases that quite frankly don’t belong in anyone’s workflow.

 

I have 10000 notes is my favourite... like you even look at 5% of them. I suggest if someone has 10000 notes that relies on colour coded tags you aren’t managing your information  very well.

what if Evernote hadn’t changed and died in 3 years time as everyone moved on ... same people moaning that they didn’t develop...

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You can say „Yes, it was a necessary step to move to a new code basis“. Yes, I say this as well, and I think a unified code platform is the only way to keep EN manageable and economically viable. So who wants to use EN long term should welcome the new versions.

So far, so good - but this does not explain why EN pushed to roll it out when the job still was not done. The new version lacks important functions.

Just one simple example: My wife and I share 2 notebooks with our recipes. Me the cooking, she the baking. With the new version it is not possible to search for content in a notebook shared to you by somebody else. Even if you select the notebook, search does not work.

We don’t have 10.000 recipes, but still enough that without searching use is quite handicapped.

I use the same share-a-notebook function once a year with my accountant to prepare my tax declaration. That is a pile of notes containing all the documents, all of it tagged and OCRed. And now ? Use it without a search-for-document function ? Use it without a search-in-document-function ? There is another word for it: Broken workflow. 

There is more missing or bugged, some a plain nuisance, some of it worse than not finding THAT recipe we wanted to cook today.

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10 hours ago, Everluke said:

I think it’s great. Not perfect, but still far better than OneNote etc.

the edge cases needed to go, this baselining of the product across platforms vital for the future success of the product. It will get better.

all I ever read on these forums is negativity for very specific use-cases that quite frankly don’t belong in anyone’s workflow.

I have 10000 notes is my favourite... like you even look at 5% of them. I suggest if someone has 10000 notes that relies on colour coded tags you aren’t managing your information  very well.

what if Evernote hadn’t changed and died in 3 years time as everyone moved on ... same people moaning that they didn’t develop...

Glad it's working well for you. Indeed, it does promise to get better. But lack of communication left a lot of people with bad surprises. Why pass judgment on other people's workflows or what is an edge case? Just be glad your own pet function didn't get borked.

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On 10/24/2020 at 2:46 AM, Everluke said:

have 10000 notes is my favourite... like you even look at 5% of them.

Same statement could be made of the filing cabinets I used to have I suppose.  Maybe I didn't/don't need to keep all of these documents.  But it always seems to be the one I don't keep that I end up needing, never have figured that one out. 

Electronic documents are so much easier to keep and search.  EN sold a product that enabled me to become paperless and then out of the blue they, to quote @Dave-in-Decatur, borked it.  Nothing other than thud.  Sure lots of chatter about the new standardized EN but not much about the major feature pruning.  Hey it's their product they can do with it as they see fit.  But there is a level of communications I expect from a provider. 

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I think the shock is that the pruning has taken EN from an admittedly untidy bush down to a stick with a few twigs on it. 

I can't believe they thought to offer V10 as a proper update to users knowing how pruned it is and how it would destroy many users workflows. Luckily I only updated my work PC with the new version and after picking my jaw up off the desk at how bad it was I went to the forums to see what went wrong. (a whole other world of frustration trying to get access)

I can still just about use EN V10, but I won't be updating my laptop nor my home PC nor phone any time soon. 

I'm leaving the work PC with V10 as a reminder that I need to find an alternate app and to actually do something about that. On a positive note I'm liking Notion so far, it's very slick and nice to use. I think it will suit my needs nicely, but I'm not rushing into anything. 

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On 10/20/2020 at 6:01 PM, Riggar said:

OK so I thought I'd look at Notebooks again and moving notes within tag to a Notebook - oh no the data is lost - brilliant how can that possibly happen!

 

I've spoken to a few people who said they lost data but they had this data in local only notebooks on the old app.

The new app only supports offline data so all notebooks need to be in the cloud as well.

Your lost data maybe in a local notebook so hopefully not lost.

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Nice to see that I'm not the only one who has issues with the "new" EverNote. I've been a user for a decade now. The first thing I noticed is that the formatting of all my old notes was totally borked. Why can't I format notes as makes sense to me? One serious problem is that I have a lot of lead sheets for songs. That is lyrics with chord changes above each line of lyrics. Well, when you decide by fiat that my personal font choice no longer matters, you've also chosen to bork all the lead sheets and I have to go through them all to get the chord spacing correct again. Then too, EN's choice to limit fonts to only three or four really ugly ones makes no sense. 

Fortunately for me, there's something wrong with the installation, and the next time I booted up my computer and fired up EN, I was back at the "old" version, with correct formatting and so forth. It will be a long time before I fall for the "all new EN for Windoz" that is in reality no more than an untested beta. WTF? 

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This update had to happen at some point to get the client to modern UI footing, and honestly it isn't that bad.  I'd like to be able to make the note list view a little bit more compact, but other than that it looks quite nice.

But there an infuriating limitation on how wide the Note List View pane can be.  I want to make this pane larger and the note pane smaller, but it's not letting me resize past a certain point.  If I resize the Evernote window larger, it only allows the note itself to expand wider, not the Note List View pane.  That's pretty rough, and a completely unnecessary limitation.  Hopefully this is fixed soon.

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I agree the new version totally sucks.  I have been a user since 2005 and paid customer for over 10 years.  It's outrageous they would even consider foisting this stripped, basic junk on their customers.  The tree analogy above is excellent.  😠

There's a very good thread on this forum and Reddit that lists alternatives to try.  If you are unhappy with this forced downgrade, I suggest looking at all the different options out there.  There's a lot.  For me, Nimbus Notes and Standard Notes are what I will probably be moving to.  Nimbus has a sweet deal on Appsumo right now that I took advantage of.  Both of these encrypt all your data even at rest.  I think confidentiality is important.

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I've implemented GTD on EN for all my work life and personal life workflows.  Every project, task, checklist, reminder, todo, plan, list, history, reference, dreaming, whatever you call it, whatever you name it, is in EN.  This is across Win, Mac, and iOS, and I've become a completely "paper less" person in doing so, and have been a subscriber for the past 10+ years.  I've endorsed and recommended EN to anyone and everyone, and preached how GTD on EN has changed my life, and like they say become "Mind like Water".   Now, I have to seriously rethink this to make it technology and future proof, but I'll come up with something.  I'm looking on Reddit for posted alternatives, but nothing sticks yet...I'll letcha know if I'm successful?

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8 hours ago, neverever said:

I've implemented GTD on EN for all my work life and personal life workflows.  Every project, task, checklist, reminder, todo, plan, list, history, reference, dreaming, whatever you call it, whatever you name it, is in EN.  This is across Win, Mac, and iOS, and I've become a completely "paper less" person in doing so, and have been a subscriber for the past 10+ years.  I've endorsed and recommended EN to anyone and everyone, and preached how GTD on EN has changed my life, and like they say become "Mind like Water".   Now, I have to seriously rethink this to make it technology and future proof, but I'll come up with something.  I'm looking on Reddit for posted alternatives, but nothing sticks yet...I'll letcha know if I'm successful?

gosh, I was in exactly the same boat...as a mac user mostly having used EN for myself as opposed to sharing gizillions of notes, I have moved to Devonthink last week. so far there are some changes, but i addition to working really really well as my EN / GTD replacement there are so many new and additional features that I am truly excited to incorporate into my workflows...

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Oooof the new desktop search is awful!  The entire point of the product is to search, and it's been relegated to the teeny tiny search bar and results window from the mobile app.  That was a really bad change...  I'm definitely going to go back to the old version and look at alternatives in the meantime, something I haven't done since switching from OneNote to Evernote several years ago.  It's a notes app, not a lifestyle.  I've got no issues switching, and I'm happy to give my money to a company that gets it.

Once again, the desktop experience is ruined by mobile-first design principles.  I thought Evernote "got it" but nope, they're just like everyone else.

I do understand, you don't want to maintain two completely different apps.  But you've got to pay attention to why people are using one over the other in the first place and tweak the solutions accordingly.  Look at this search results window, seriously, who could possibly sign off on that after using the previous version?

You've got power users who pay good money to use a premium product, not your mobile app.

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What the heck! This new version doesn't have screenshot capabilities it seems? I'm very confused! Legacy version better remain available for a long time, given this new release.

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Recent experience:

 

I have a 5 years old note. That note has few pictures with text in between.

I just wanted to change the text in between via iOS app. So I tap on the text and expect cursor and keyboard to appear. But it doesn't. Instead: One of the pictures is selected. I try it again a few times - won't work. I tap on the text, but the image is selected. So I tab a bit faster (maybe double click works?) and swoosh - one of the pictures is deleted and a random part of a sentence is moved somewhere else. In other words, the note is pretty much messed up. That's really bad because the deleted picture is gone. I don't have it somewhere else. But - not a big deal, isn't it? I shake the phone to undo...nothing happens. Function was removed? Sure it was. 

So I had to get up, start my Computer and use the version function to restore and old note. 

 

You ask yourself why I write this text. I do it to let you feel what my experience with this product is nowadays. It's a terrible experience and I really have to say, I start to hate Evernote. I start to find excuses for not writing something down. Great. But hey, I bet you have hundred of millions downloads from "casual users" already.

 

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I just upgraded and would like instruction on how to revert back to the previous version.  There is no need to alter the view of the prior version (I'm ok with minor improvements).  How can I change back please?

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18 hours ago, HighcardEN said:

This update had to happen at some point to get the client to modern UI footing, and honestly it isn't that bad.  I'd like to be able to make the note list view a little bit more compact, but other than that it looks quite nice.

But there an infuriating limitation on how wide the Note List View pane can be.  I want to make this pane larger and the note pane smaller, but it's not letting me resize past a certain point.  If I resize the Evernote window larger, it only allows the note itself to expand wider, not the Note List View pane.  That's pretty rough, and a completely unnecessary limitation.  Hopefully this is fixed soon.

Agree with above comments.  I've been a Premium subscriber and would like the same option -or instruction on how to change back (it was working just fine) to the previous version.

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Thanks, Evernote. A whole bunch of reasons I was happy with EN are disappeared.
No more auto pop up window after dragging a new document to the doc (instead I have to open the app), no more changing a notebook with just one click, and all my direct note-links from outside the app are broken. To name a few. 

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4 hours ago, kthesun said:

You ask yourself why I write this text. I do it to let you feel what my experience with this product is nowadays. It's a terrible experience and I really have to say, I start to hate Evernote. I start to find excuses for not writing something down. Great. But hey, I bet you have hundred of millions downloads from "casual users" already.

Unfortunately EV chose to go the same direction Google went with forcibly moving seasoned Google Play Music power users into casual YouTube Music for brain-dead users. Updated interface with no features under the hood. They force power users into inferior product aimed at casual user, that's why it isn't working.

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5 hours ago, atomicben said:

What the heck! This new version doesn't have screenshot capabilities it seems? I'm very confused! Legacy version better remain available for a long time, given this new release.

Legacy is available, but unsupported with no bugfixes or updates.  If you report an issue with Legacy, you'll likely be told to "upgrade" to v10.

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Currently installing legacy is the only solution for several workflows to be continued. Nobody knows for how long, so I would probably not count on it forever. Either EN improves v10 fast enough, or one need to find an alternative based on the personal use cases. For some use cases like those that rely on local notebooks, it is announced that they will die with the legacy app one day.

But for the time being, running legacy is probably the „best alternative“ you can pick. This must not mean the best one can imagine, but the best among several less-than-attractive choices.

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2 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

But for the time being, running legacy is probably the „best alternative“ you can pick. This must not mean the best one can imagine, but the best among several less-than-attractive choices.

Yeah, I agree. For many (including me) Legacy is probably the "least worst" option at the moment!  Just trying to point out to people that while Legacy is there now, it's not supported, and the rug can be pulled out from under you at any time.   

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39 minutes ago, Big Trev said:

Just trying to point out to people that while Legacy is there now, it's not supported,

The sync process is supported for Evernote Legacy   
that's all I need for the time being

>>and the rug can be pulled out from under you at any time   
Didn't that just happen with the Version 10 product?   
And it's supported - how's that working out for you?

 

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2 minutes ago, DTLow said:

The sync process is supported for Evernote Legacy   
that's all I need for the time being

Evernote Legacy is not supported.  Not for sync, not for anything.  If you report a problem, they will likely tell you to upgrade to v10.  I don't see why you fail to understand that, but that's your problem.

https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314-Install-an-older-version-of-Evernote

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There will be no future updates or bug fixes in older versions of Evernote, including Evernote Legacy. If you are having trouble with this app, our Support team may recommend that you update Evernote to the newest version.

 

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Oooooooh, my goooodness 😱 I run legacy, so I am doooooomed 💀💩👻

But, wait a minute: I have never upgraded my Windows and Mac clients, so I am still on legacy. They work, they perform, I can be productive, no bugs, no issues. Now I imagine I had installed v10 instead:

Who do you think would now report to be in deep sh** ?

One can have no need to get support, or get it, with a wait of currently 10-12 days ! I prefer not to need it, instead of needing & getting it (one day, maybe, to be told they know and are working on it).

And so on !

I think it is simply VERY bad advise to argue against using legacy at the moment. This may change one day, but everybody who depends on workflows that got abandoned with v10 is simply without much choice.

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Well I just switched to Nimbus  - https://nimbusweb.me/ - imported all my notes from evernote and its $25 a year instead of $100 or whatever I was paying... the thing is if evernote would have beefed up their security and just kept updating the old app I would have stayed but for whatever reason they want to kill their own product, cya

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1 minute ago, bonedog73 said:

Well I just switched to Nimbus  - https://nimbusweb.me/ - imported all my notes from evernote and its $25 a year instead of $100 or whatever I was paying... the thing is if evernote would have beefed up their security and just kept updating the old app I would have stayed but for whatever reason they want to kill their own product, cya

Nimbus? I’m surprised by that, I have it on my iPad and it takes at least three seconds to open each note, Evernote 10 in its current rather buggy format is way quicker. 

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Just now, bonedog73 said:

Well I just switched to Nimbus  - https://nimbusweb.me/ - imported all my notes from evernote and its $25 a year instead of $100 or whatever I was paying... the thing is if evernote would have beefed up their security and just kept updating the old app I would have stayed but for whatever reason they want to kill their own product, cya

I made an account with Nimbus today, just evaluating it and it's looking very very positive for me too. II really liked Notion, but I think Nimbus fits my requirements better. 

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1 hour ago, PinkElephant said:But for the time being, running legacy is probably the „best alternative“ you can pick. This must not mean the best one can imagine, but the best among several less-than-attractive choices.

As you said, it depends on your Workflows. for me (mac user) moving to Devonthink turned out to be way better than staying with EN Legacy.

In a twisted way I am starting to be thankful for V10 as I likely never would have given Devonthink a shot otherwise...

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I was looking at Nimbus too, but can't see how I can save searches there, so checking with them.  Anyway, also looked at Devonthink, I like it, but doesn't have a Windows client.

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16 hours ago, Big Trev said:

Legacy is available, but unsupported with no bugfixes or updates.  If you report an issue with Legacy, you'll likely be told to "upgrade" to v10.

I appreciate the insights friend! I'll give Legacy a go.

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I'm with virtually everyone on here.. This update is horribly bad. Additionally Evernote has been so slow, prone to hanging for that past couple of years it's pushed me to seriously exploring other solutions. I've been an Evernote user since 2011, after reading David Allen's getting things done, I wanted to get organized and as per his suggestion develop a trusted system. 

Since then I've used Evernote heavily. I had around 32,000 notes, including loads of clipped articles I wanted to save for potential research, I blew all that out by downloading then deleting the notebooks I don't need frequently and that did not result in a much speedier user experience.

The only conclusion I can come to from that, is that the application is deeply flawed and with the recent changes, it's also now almost unusable. Many like myself put our trust in Evernote that it would be a reliable system for organizing content we wanted to retain in something of a digital file cabinet. I don't have the trust any longer and I'm deeply uncertain that Evernote understands why the app is important to people.

While Evernote might be able to fix some of the usability issues, I'm not confident it can earn back the Trust so many of us placed in it.

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24 minutes ago, Big Trev said:

Yes, but if it stopps synchronising, you will not be supported.  If it's a bug in Legacy, it will not be fixed. If you engage support, they will tell you to "upgrade" to 10.  That's what unsupported means.

You are right - this will happen sometime in the future    
For today, this is not an issue

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1 minute ago, Big Trev said:

Yes, but if it stopps synchronising, you will not be supported.  If it's a bug in Legacy, it will not be fixed. If you engage support, they will tell you to "upgrade" to 10.  That's what unsupported means.

Ooooooooh 😱 !

Haven‘t needed support for the last year using legacy, but I am sure it will jump at me the moment I turn my back. Or is this the philosophy to commit suicide because you are afraid of dying ?

Legacy is called legacy because it is the stable release that carried us for the last appr. 2 years. Sure, anything can happen, but for now what is important is that my workflows are supported. 

And even if I had problems: If support tells me I need to install v10, and I do it out of my complete desperation (ROTFL), I am not worse off with running legacy until then than installing v10 now, and shooting my workflows into the knee.

Less panic, and more logical thinking, please !

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Well, I suppose this isn't technically an EN problem, but when Windoz decided to "upgrade" itself the other night, my organizational structure on EN was messed up. It wasn't terrible, just several dozen notes appearing in places where they didn't belong. But I'm guessing part of the problem arose when I mistakenly "upgraded" to EN 10, which destabilized years of organization, in addition to making notes uglier and impossible to format decently. 

Really, EN, you shouldn't be foisting a beta product on your user base, especially a beta product that is so bad you alienate your clients. 

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I wound up searching these forums today because the new "improved" Windows app didn't know how to add terms to the dictionary for some reason. I find it reassuring that others hate the new app but the different issues they're reporting is disconcerting. It's a fundamental rule of the Linux kernel developers that things they change under the hood of Linux should never create issues for existing user software. Would that the Evernote crew subscribed to similar reasoning with their UI "upgrades".

I understand the appeal and/or necessity of moving to a unified UI and minimizing the differences between the Windows and Mac applications. I even understand the trend of making everything a web app in look and feel. I just don't like the changes.  And I really don't understand the necessity of removing features. But I'm just an existing Premium customer so what do I know? Still, I'd think a forum thread where Premium users are suggesting alternative products would underscore the issues with leaving existing customers behind.

In any event, I removed the new v10 app and reinstalled using a backup copy of Evernote_6.24.2.8919.exe. Things seem back to normal now. I've certainly relearned the necessity of regular offline backups of my information. I can't see any reason for new apps to bork syncing our databases, however, given that previously released software syncs fine. An edict that syncing could disappear at any moment -- a rather odd implication for a company selling easy access to data -- comes across as a veiled threat to strongly encourage upgrading. Nice little unsupported app you've got there, Bunky. Sure would be a shame if you couldn't sync anymore or your data got corrupted.

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We appreciate all of your feedback and hear you. We're continuing to work on building more features and performance improvements in the new Evernote apps.  Our latest release, version 10.3 has significant performance improvements, bug fixes, and some UI improvements. Check out the Coming Soon section of our release notes to see what else is coming soon:

  • Quickly search and move to different note using a keyboard shortcut (Mac - CMD+J, Windows - Ctrl+Q)
  • Create new audio recordings and playback audio files
  • Top list view (the same condensed view as side-list, but the list is on top)
  • Dragging and dropping note links directly into your note
  • Global keyboard shortcuts
  • Additional export options

Others have mentioned it in this thread, but I did want to remind everyone reading that If 10.3 doesn't meet your needs just yet, you can reinstall the legacy version, 6.25.2. from here: https://help.evernote.com/hc/articles/360052560314

On 11/9/2020 at 2:02 PM, Big Trev said:

Yes, but if it stopps synchronising, you will not be supported.  If it's a bug in Legacy, it will not be fixed. If you engage support, they will tell you to "upgrade" to 10.  That's what unsupported means.

We're  committed to keeping the legacy apps available until we're closer to closing the feature gap between them and the new clients.  Since we're making no changes to the app, we feel that there's little risk in introducing a new bug that would potentially block you from using the legacy version. For example, there's still a handful of users using version 6.7.6. released over three years ago without major issues. 

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Thanks for improving EN v10 - it needs it, and I see it as a positive starting point to improve EN in the future.

Thanks for assuring that legacy will be supported as long as EN v10 does not support crucial Workflows. 

A small selection from my view, without any completeness or priority:

  • support for Fujitsu ix(1)500 Scanner with standard firmware (nobody needs a new notebook when he just Scans a few pages)
  • Ability to create a pdf instead of a picture by the integrated scanner, OCR integrated into the pdf instead of somewhere in the note
  • Email and print any note
  • Full search capability, including inside of attachments, highlighting search hits inside of attachments as well (maybe pdf only)
  • Search including notebooks shared to me by others
  • Complete ability to work on several notes at once (on iOS as well, maybe on offline content only), like merging, moving, tagging
  • Capable web clipper, including iOS (my main device for browsing is my iPad, but the clipping by sharing often does not work)
  • Ability to delete notes or notebooks that were shared to me from my own account (= ending the share), without action by the owner
  • Apple Watch integration, Quick note feature for all apps including dictation / transcript
  • Siri shortcuts, both on iOS and MacOS, scripting support 
  • EN Widget, linked to EN reminders, ability to set recurring reminders
  • Share reminders to Apple reminders and calendar and other apps (like Things or Todoist)
  • Full support for split screen and having 2 app sessions open at a time on iPad, Drag & Drop

To be continued ...

P.S. I appreciate it very much that you start to give some forward guidance about what to expect next !

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19 minutes ago, Austin G said:

We appreciate all of your feedback and hear you. We're continuing to work on building more features and performance improvements in the new Evernote apps.  Our latest release, version 10.3 has significant performance improvements, bug fixes, and some UI improvements. Check out the Coming Soon section of our release notes to see what else is coming soon:

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We're  committed to keeping the legacy apps available until we're closer to closing the feature gap between them and the new clients.  Since we're making no changes to the app, we feel that there's little risk in introducing a new bug that would potentially block you from using the legacy version. For example, there's still a handful of users using version 6.7.6. released over three years ago without major issues. 

You start with a promise of significant changes coming soon and finish by saying (in effect) Legacy app downloads can disappear as soon as those changes arrive. Which is simply a more positively phrased version of what's already been said. It's a bit like me saying I'm committed to losing weight until my weight changes. If the company is truly committed there should be no problem promising the Legacy app will continue to sync without new bugs through, say, 2021. But such a promise would in effect be supporting the legacy app, wouldn't it? So aside from a reaffirmation of the previously announced features to come, nothing's really changed by your post.

I'm old enough to remember when release notes documented changes in a product released to customers, not promotional statements about changes coming Real Soon Now. What in the world has happened to software companies these days?

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Thanks for assuring that legacy will be supported as long as EN v10 does not support crucial Workflows.

No, that's not what was stated at all. There's no statement the Legacy app will be supported, merely a commitment to making it available. And for how long? I don't know what a promise to support crucial workflows means given the numerous reported problems with v10, but I'm pretty sure it's not "until we're closer to closing the feature gap".

 

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What the Heck are you guys thinking?  Why would you release this version?  Its totally useless!  Put more time into fixing this instead of making fancy videos showing how great this crappy version really is.

No screen capture - which I use all the time.

Evernote scanner is broken

Half the shortcut keys are gone.  

Slow is molasses. 

Note's don't show up on the right pane when you click on them. 

Full of bugs.  Did you guys even beta test this?  I did it in 5 minutes and could tell you not to release this garbage.

This is total BS!  You made me waste a good morning uninstalling and putting the old version back.  Now I don't trust you guys anymore.

Very long time customer,

Andy

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I really dislike the new version of EN. It's moved toward the web version...which I stayed away from. I wish I'd checked the forums before upgrading. I have a Premium membership, and would pay to be able to revert.

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I just need to add that I will roll back to legacy and then prep for migration. After trusting this company so many years, i now need to move away. This is just an icredible ***** up and this once great piece of software has lost it’s way. It probably comes down to people and the culture changes in the organisation, nothing good about it anymore if you make these steps. Really disappointed.

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This is perhaps the worst software update ever.

What happened to EN? Do you have any idea how much you have been worked into our workflows? And you treat that as nothing. Arbitrary terrible changes, reductions in functionality. No heads up. Just everything you shouldn't do to customers.

Again, what happened? Heads need to roll. 

I went back to legacy and ALL OF MY NOTES NOW HAVE DEFAULT SEGOE 10 FORMAT. Are you kidding? I am visually impaired and have set larger fonts for MANY HUNDREDS OF NOTES. 

 

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On 11/10/2020 at 4:46 PM, rts said:

No, that's not what was stated at all. There's no statement the Legacy app will be supported, merely a commitment to making it available. And for how long?

Exactly.  This fits in very well with:

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I'm old enough to remember when release notes documented changes in a product released to customers, not promotional statements about changes coming Real Soon Now.

Me, too, and I'm just disgusted.  It all speaks to a fundamental shift in software away from relative transparency and honesty in selling a product to people who might find it useful towards gulling the as many people as possible into a cycle of perpetual payment for whatever the company feels like providing at any given time.  There's no more sense of any contract to deliver on.

There are hundreds (thousands?) of posts all over these forums from people who dislike the new version, ranging from "Meh, not very good" to "You've trashed decades of work and the attendant trust in you".  Given that, Evernote should provide users two things.  First, a provisional timeline for feature parity, ideally enumerating exactly which features they plan to restore.  Second, as you point out, a commitment to support Legacy for a certain period, and statement that such support will be extended if specific benchmarks aren't met by the new product by that date.  If they genuinely think "there's little risk in introducing a new bug that would potentially block you from using the legacy version" that shouldn't be a difficult commitment to make.

I'd be much more forgiving of a deadline slipping for X feature implementation than I am of "You'll get some things when we get around to them, if we get around to it, which we'll let you know when we do.  Have fun guessing which features we even plan on bringing back."

 

Legacy should never have been "Legacy".  It should have remained the standard, while adventurous users should have been offered the exciting opportunity to help Evernote blaze the trail forward until they've got something worthy of replacing the current standard.

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It is a real shame.  I put the small company I work for on the business version as note taking and sharing was so easy.  I also put all my personal admin on the paid version despite having onenote.  Today I asked IT to migrate everyone on to Onenote by end of January and have transferred everything personal to Onenote in prep for cancelling my subscription.

With all the changes (a) you cannot scroll through pdfs but have to click slowing everything down (b) moving notes etc always seems to require some extra step (c) requiring separate logins for work and personal spaces in the work account is annoying (d) shifting between notebooks is a drag (e) workspaces might be clever but I do not have time to work out what is shared and how (f) you cannot email a note to someone without an evernote account so have to pdf save and send (without including attachments).

I am sure the intentions are good, and doubtless there were reasons for all the changes, but all the clever stuff has displaced the ability to take and share notes easily and the intuitiveness that underpinned Evernote's success.  The lesson of software and IT success is to make it as easy as possible otherwise people just move on....

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On 11/23/2020 at 6:55 PM, Enteecee said:

There are hundreds (thousands?) of posts all over these forums from people who dislike the new version, ranging from "Meh, not very good" to "You've trashed decades of work and the attendant trust in you".  Given that, Evernote should provide users two things.  First, a provisional timeline for feature parity, ideally enumerating exactly which features they plan to restore.  Second, as you point out, a commitment to support Legacy for a certain period, and statement that such support will be extended if specific benchmarks aren't met by the new product by that date.  If they genuinely think "there's little risk in introducing a new bug that would potentially block you from using the legacy version" that shouldn't be a difficult commitment to make.

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Legacy should never have been "Legacy".  It should have remained the standard, while adventurous users should have been offered the exciting opportunity to help Evernote blaze the trail forward until they've got something worthy of replacing the current standard.

Exactly. The approach should have been to make the new version available, but not force everyone onto it. The current properly functional application should be maintained while they continue to improve the new-and-improved modern shared code base (etc. etc.) version separately. I understand where they're coming from, they want to simplify, reuse code, organize, modernize and try to future-proof their products, and where they're going with the new version is probably on the right path. However, to suddenly force (or at least mislead) everyone to upgrade (downgrade?) without warning, and to leave them no other option than to install a "legacy" version of the application, this is not the way to retain a loyal customers. If I were to suddenly force all of my users to start using vastly different version of a major production enterprise application, with performance problems (delays and freezing) and a lack of equivalent features, they would be making such noise that I would probably be left having to look for another job. And that's just one guy supporting code in one business. I can't imagine how all of the leadership at Evernote concluded that pushing out this new version the way that it was pushed out was the way to go, impacting hundreds of thousands if not millions of users, all nearly simultaneously. They should have taken a phased approach over six to nine months (maybe longer given their larger user base), requested feedback from those users, go back to fix, iterate over and over, re-release, and slowly expand the deployment audience. And even with a phased approach with smaller user counts at first, it still should have been optional. I get that it is absolutely impractical to pay for extra coders to continue simultaneously support both the older version and the newer version, and that unification and simplification is the smartest and most economical way forward for the business on the surface, but it should have been handled differently.

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There should be support to sync legacy until they can get the new version to a reasonable level of speed and function. The current version is like coming outside in the morning to a car with flats, no steering wheel, a broken dashboard. Legacy is just an unsupported loaner car that won’t drive side by side well with the new iOS version.

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On 11/21/2020 at 10:33 PM, BReb said:

This is perhaps the worst software update ever.

What happened to EN? Do you have any idea how much you have been worked into our workflows? And you treat that as nothing. Arbitrary terrible changes, reductions in functionality. No heads up. Just everything you shouldn't do to customers.

Again, what happened? Heads need to roll. 

I went back to legacy and ALL OF MY NOTES NOW HAVE DEFAULT SEGOE 10 FORMAT. Are you kidding? I am visually impaired and have set larger fonts for MANY HUNDREDS OF NOTES. 

 

I think this happens when new whiz-bang product engineers float a product that's wayyyy off with actual improvements.

Not sure how they sold this version to the guys running this once-great-app but they have for sure ****** up BIG time with this version. 

And the mere fact that this version causes Windows to first run slow and then almost crash is just an icing on the rotten cake they have dished out to their millions of users. 

So disappointed. 

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I'm assuming that it's some middle manager with a little bit of power (we've all experienced that guy, right?) and he's managed to completely break the main product of the company.. But.. "it's OK because I know better! And the users will come around when they see my genius.."

No. Andy! (or whatever your name is, but it's probably Andy) you've just broken the big, cash cow product of the company and alienated a lot of users who are very passionate about the product and are now very vocal about that.

And ultimately it doesn't matter what "the suits" do now, your "passionate and newly vocal users" are looking at alternative solutions at competing companies that produce a great product and they don't have an "Andy" working for them. (well hopefully they don't have an Andy)

 

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I'm a long long term Evernote user.  This upgrade -- and what we've learned about the company from the way it has handled this forced upgrade -- has caused me to revisit my goal of finding an alternative.  Have spent an hour on Devonthink this morning, import was simple, it feels feature complete so far.  And it lets you encrypt your database -- which is the #1 reason I have been meaning to get out of Evernote for a while.

Anyone here know why we haven't all already switched to Devonthink?  If you're an Apple only user... what am I giving up by moving from Evernote to Devonthink?

 

 

 

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42 minutes ago, ek12 said:

I'm a long long term Evernote user.  This upgrade -- and what we've learned about the company from the way it has handled this forced upgrade -- has caused me to revisit my goal of finding an alternative.  Have spent an hour on Devonthink this morning, import was simple, it feels feature complete so far.  And it lets you encrypt your database -- which is the #1 reason I have been meaning to get out of Evernote for a while.

Anyone here know why we haven't all already switched to Devonthink?  If you're an Apple only user... what am I giving up by moving from Evernote to Devonthink?

 

 

 

Many of us here aren't Apple aficionados. We think Apple is OK, mostly, but not for us. 

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1 hour ago, stur said:

Many of us here aren't Apple aficionados. We think Apple is OK, mostly, but not for us. 

right, understood.  and also, many of us are exclusively in Apple.

for those of us who are, is anyone aware of a compelling reason to stay with Evernote vs Devonthink?  I'm still doing my own research and haven't found many yet, but I'm sure I'm missing some or we (Apple-only Evernote users) would all already be gone.

So far, I've found only one material issue: The import from Evernote of notes with embedded PDFs appears to split the note into a container note, with two sub-notes (the text and the PDF).  That messes with my archive . not sure if there's a way to change that or not, I'm still investigating.

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14 hours ago, ek12 said:

is anyone aware of a compelling reason to stay with Evernote vs Devonthink?

Same advice with any product; make sure your data isn't locked  in
Evernote makes it easy to export my notes intact - I've tested  it with my data backups

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7 hours ago, DTLow said:

Same advice with any product; make sure your data isn't locked  in
Evernote makes it easy to export my notes intact - I've tested  it

devonthink simply exports all the files with their folder (notebook) structure intact into the apple file system with tags turning into mac os tags if need be.

@ek12 the only two constraints I found during my migration to devonthink a few weeks back were 1) apple only, but you found that already..:-)...& 2) sharing notes / documents is more cumbersome in devonthink compared to EN, sharing with windows / android in fact *very* cumbersome. as I simply decided to do the limited sharing I do via tresorit / google drive, that turned out to be a non-issue for me. otherwise the only thing I regret is not having migrated to devonthink earlier - it is so much more powerful and versatile...

 

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I've moved to Joplin Notes (https://joplinapp.org/). It has a good import from ENEX. Open source, free, active community.

Main reason for me was not trusting an external service (perhaps especially Evernote) with my data.

With Joplin you can decide where to store your notes DB, cloud and/or local. Encrypted and end-to-end.

Works on Windows, IOS, Android. No web interface since there is no server.

I don't know why some companies decide to shoot themselves in the proverbial foot (or other body part). EN apparently did.

 

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9 hours ago, toao said:

devonthink simply exports all the files with their folder (notebook) structure intact into the apple file system with tags turning into mac os tags if need be.

@ek12 the the only thing I regret is not having migrated to devonthink earlier - it is so much more powerful and versatile...

 

DEVONthink has many more limitations if you look to mobile devices, the mobile app is very, very limited. No saved searches, no reminders, no automation, no sort option for search results, no Tag filter, no text editor* - the only good thing is PDF annotation, additional 3rd party in-app purchase needed.

I do like DT on Mac as a file storage solution, but since I do a lot of writing notes incl. checklists and  I‘m working a lot on iPad Evernote is much better for this scenario.

*there is a somehow iOS based RTF text editor, NOT compatible to MacOS - you‘ll loose your formatting, sooner or later, no checkboxes, no inline images - forget about it

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20 hours ago, ek12 said:

right, understood.  and also, many of us are exclusively in Apple.

for those of us who are, is anyone aware of a compelling reason to stay with Evernote vs Devonthink?  I'm still doing my own research and haven't found many yet, but I'm sure I'm missing some or we (Apple-only Evernote users) would all already be gone.

So far, I've found only one material issue: The import from Evernote of notes with embedded PDFs appears to split the note into a container note, with two sub-notes (the text and the PDF).  That messes with my archive . not sure if there's a way to change that or not, I'm still investigating.

DT doesn‘t provide any container, it is just storing files - you can use a group (folder) to combine your files. RTF text notes can hold inline images, but those aren‘t editable on the iOS version of DT.

DT is completely different to Evernote - you can use both for many things, but need completely different workflows. And more 3rd party apps because DT is a file storage system, nbut not a file creation (notes) system.

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What makes DEVONthink stand out - together with Apple Notes - is the ability to save content completely local. For those who care about this there are not that many options with local storage. On both services you can decide to go cloud. With Apple Notes it is iCloud only, DT offers some choice of cloud services.

Both are well established, and both are Mac & iOS only. DT is more a document manager, AN a note taking tool.

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23 hours ago, ek12 said:

The import from Evernote of notes with embedded PDFs appears to split the note into a container note, with two sub-notes (the text and the PDF).

This is my view of notes in Evernote
        - "Containers" with a text-file (enml/html)
                                  and optional attachment-files
        - Metadata is stored in a database and attached to the "container"
This is actually reflected in the Mac Legacy local database - a folder for each note

Legacy HTML export creates the text file (html); the note-folder is only created if there's attachments
 

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4 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

What makes DEVONthink stand out - together with Apple Notes - is the ability to save content completely local. For those who care about this there are not that many options with local storage. On both services you can decide to go cloud. With Apple Notes it is iCloud only, DT offers some choice of cloud services.

Both are well established, and both are Mac & iOS only.

When 25guy created his long list of Evernote alternatives DEVONthink was at the top of the list as the only criteria he found lacking of 12 was cross-platform support. The three programs tied for second place were EN Legacy edition, Joplin, and Keep It (another Mac & iOS exclusive). I have a growing fear that EN's future development will force me to rethink my workflow -- and possibly split my migration efforts into multiple applications.

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On 11/26/2020 at 9:29 PM, ripwit said:

I've moved to Joplin Notes (https://joplinapp.org/). It has a good import from ENEX. Open source, free, active community.

I currently use both Evernote and Joplin in parallel, I hope to resolve following issues of the latter:

- no tag hierarchy (only one level of tags, no nesting)

- ONLY lowercase tags (github-stile)

- workbook hierarchy in Joplin DOESN'T combine notes from sub-workbooks.

There are serveral suprprises in Joplin for people that use serveral tags in their workflow. But as sideeffect of very very bad Evernote v10 I noticed HUGE speedup in Joplin development.

 

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21 hours ago, PinkElephant said:

Get yourself one of these lightning fast new M1 Macs and go ahead 👍

I already have Android, Linux, and Windows machines in my life so I'm somewhat skeptical of adding Mac/iOS devices to the mix to simplify my life. However my Ryzen desktop machine has more cores than I normally use and plenty of RAM, so perhaps a Mac VM? No, that way lies madness.

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14 hours ago, Piotas said:

I currently use both Evernote and Joplin in parallel, I hope to resolve following issues of the latter: ...

 

@Piotas curious what made you choose Joplin over Devonthink?  In my testing it looks like Devonthink handles those 3 Joplin objections.  

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