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Unable to Annotate images copied from the Web


Mike P

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I raised this at the beta stage but it is still an issue and I think it is important that everybody understands it.

If you copy and paste an image from a website into a note you would expect that image to be in your note wouldn't you. Wrong. All EN does is copy and paste a link to the image. This means:

  • If the image is removed or changed on the website it will be removed from or changed in your note
  • You cannot annotate the image - the option is simply not there
  • The image does not show up as a thumbnail in the snippet or card view
  • You can't download the image (because it's not there)

To me this is a serious breach of the trust we have put in EN to safely store our data. If we knowingly add a link we know the webpage it links to can be changed. If we copy and paste content into our notes we expect it to be safe. As far as I can see webclipped images and images added as files are OK so it is just copying and pasting images from the web.

 

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20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It does mean that if that page is changed or removed,  or the URL changes,  then access to images will be lost,  so it's no longer true that a clip from a page is a reliable snapshot of the content.

This is the key point. I deliberately didn't use the word security but used safety instead. The raison d'etre of a note taking app is to keep your notes safe (in the sense of unchangeable) and accessible and I think that in this case EN has failed to do this.

20 minutes ago, gazumped said:

It probably makes sense from Evernote's point of view not to store an actual image

In most cases though it is storing the actual image. I would imagine that images copy and pasted in from a website are a smallish proportion of the total images on their servers. Webclipped and images added as files are still added to the note correctly.  And where do they stop? Online pdf's replaced by a link when you clip them?

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If I found the right web page - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-54483853 - then you're right that this is a change,  though it's not a security issue.  No-one can reach in and change your notes in any way other than removing or changing images if the original is changed. 

I copied the same page in 6.25 and got a 3.1MB note with an annotatable image.

It does mean that if that page is changed or removed,  or the URL changes,  then access to images will be lost,  so it's no longer true that a clip from a page is a reliable snapshot of the content.

It probably makes sense from Evernote's point of view not to store an actual image - across millions of notes that would save a server farm or two's worth of space.  But saving the link instead is another way in which this new version is a stripped-down shadow of its former self...

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That is a huge deal.  The whole point of putting something into Evernote is to *save* it - you know, the whole "put all your stuff in ONE place!" business. If we wanted to rely on the original information (the original website) we would just save a shortcut to the url in our browser, and we all know that links don't last.  Yes, there are other ways to save images (taking a screenshot, webclipper) but if Evernote starts to make these sorts of exceptions, and we have to keep track of what gets *saved* and what doesn't, it becomes a less reliable place for our information and that defeats the purpose.

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5 hours ago, Mike P said:

I raised this at the beta stage but it is still an issue and I think it is important that everybody understands it.

If you copy and paste an image from a website into a note you would expect that image to be in your note wouldn't you. Wrong. All EN does is copy and paste a link to the image.

Mike, I would modify the title of this post to something more akin to indicating that copied images are linked rather than saved. I think it is too important to a change, and people have to know. 

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I've tried various titles in the past including something akin to what you suggest. I'm disappointed that very few people have grasped the magnitude of this change. Perhaps most people don't copy and paste images from websites. However I'll change the title as you suggest.

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20 hours ago, lisec said:

That is a huge deal.  The whole point of putting something into Evernote is to *save* it - you know, the whole "put all your stuff in ONE place!" business. If we wanted to rely on the original information (the original website) we would just save a shortcut to the url in our browser, and we all know that links don't last. 

Completely agree, non point to this feature if it does not saved the content as a snapshot in time.

@MikeP just another of the beta issues that seems to have been ignored! 

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I had this happen in the past as well, so this is not new behavior. See also this thread: Missing image in note - General Technical Issues - Evernote User Forum. It was suggested I report it as a bug, which I did. but it seems I did not accomplish to convey the problem, and all I got were some well-meant suggestions on how to create, edit or fix a note. My problem, however, is that I don't know which notes are affected in the first place. In the editor you never know until you are offline. Most of the affected or edited notes are old (you'll notice when the original source moved, but then it's late). Correspondingly, providing the activity log does not help.

I never managed to find out under what conditions images are saved as link (referenced) or as a local resource (included). It seemed to depend on the web site clips were taken from. However it also seemed that the behavior on one web site was not consistent, in the sense that some were included, others referenced.

It would be useful to have some script to scan notes for images that are not included as resources and flag them, maybe through a tag, so one could examine them. Again, in the Evernote editor I cannot see whether images are included or referenced.

And I really don't want to get into personally editing ENEX files. Furthermore the export/import probably (?) destroys the note history, so I am losing something else.

 

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Hello Evernote community,

Recently I have switched from Evernote Mac to Evernote Windows.

After switching the OS, I have noticed that Evernote Windows is not giving me an option to annotate images copied directly from a web - i. e. if the picture is copied from Google search results, Mac Evernote allows to annotate it, while Windows App is not giving any options to annotate it. The only workaround is to save image to PC and upload it to the note - in such instance annotation option is available.

 

Strangely if I connect to Evernote App on Mac and copy a picture to the note directly from web and afterwards open the same note through Windows Evernote App, I am given an option to annotate the image.


Maybe someone knows why Windows Evernote is not allowing for an user to annotate the image right away?

Thank you for any suggestions.



 

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As documented in the post below when yopu copy and paste an image into EN from the web, EN only pastes a link not the actual image. This has all sorts of implications like your issue of not being able to annotate the image but also if somebody changes the image on the web it will change your image too. Please vote up the post below.

 

 

 

 

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Yes, but how come I am able to annotate SAME pictures when I paste it to EN through Mac Evernote App? 

And it's even more confusing that after pasting images through Mac - the options to annotate images appear in Windows EN app.

Seems like a really important issue here... Wondering if developers are informed about it.

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1 hour ago, CCaesar said:

Yes, but how come I am able to annotate SAME pictures when I paste it to EN through Mac Evernote App? 

And it's even more confusing that after pasting images through Mac - the options to annotate images appear in Windows EN app.

Seems like a really important issue here... Wondering if developers are informed about it.

I have no idea about how EN for mac works but I do know that if you paste the image into the legacy version it pastes the image, not a link, so you can then annotate it in the new windows version. If you can annotate it then it must be an actual image embeded in the note. If you can't it's a link. 

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