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Hi there,

I've modified the title of this thread to more accurately reflect the issue.

You can find the Windows equivalent here:

 

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Doh, sorry, wrong channel, this is iOS, I am complaining about the Mac version (but getting worried that this will happen to my iOS app soon, too, if they update...)

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Completely agree.  I'm rolling back to older version due to the lag.  The speed of Evernote is one of its greatest assets.  This NEEDS to be resolved.  

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I am also experiencing lag in version v10.1.7. For example when double-clicking on a note in the note list, it takes 2 to 4 seconds for the note contents to appear in the new window.

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  • Dragging in images is broken. It‚Äôs in this somewhat working state, where the image shows up, but if you click the menu blob on top, and specify to save the image, and then pick a location on your disk, nothing happens.
  • I have notes with embedded content that fails to load. It loads just fine-ish on the web version, which is surprising.
  • AppleScript support is gone.
  • Smart quotes don‚Äôt work.
  • You used to be able to get a small window for new notes, but that‚Äôs gone.

But the main problem is speed. I click on the ‚ÄúNew Note‚ÄĚ button, and then switch apps and do something else, because it‚Äôll literally take 5 seconds to make a new note.

I don’t know what to say. In the big scare in 2018, I doubled-down, and was happy to pay for premium because I like paying for tools on which I build my life. I’ve already started a list of Evernote options to investigate.

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OK, here’s the repro.

  1. Make a new note
  2. Drag a web image into it
  3. Do a ‚ÄúGet Info‚ÄĚ on the note

In the old Evernote, the image is actually embedded. If the image you dragged in was 1MB, then the note will be 1MB.

In the new Evernote, the image is pasted in as a link.

The whole point of me dragging in images is to save a local copy!

 

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In addition, about 7-8ish times I’ve used the web app, walked away, accessed the note from a different device, and realized that the web app didn’t bother to sync with the server and that I’d lost the content of the edit that I’d done on the web app.

The notion that the native app, whose sync I’ve found to be pretty solid, is to be replaced by a Electron webapp, does not fill me with confidence about the safety of my data.

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On 10/25/2020 at 10:00 AM, kcc said:

I am also experiencing lag in version v10.1.7. For example when double-clicking on a note in the note list, it takes 2 to 4 seconds for the note contents to appear in the new window.

Same experience for me over the weekend. Not sure about today but it was noticeable yesterday when I would click on a note in the note list...took a second or two to reflect that note in the note panel next to it. First time I've noticed performance issues.

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Completely agreed, the snappisse of the native app pre v10 is strongly missed. I hope developers have performance tuning and optimization in mind all the time because this could be a big issue for acceptance of the new app.

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My experience hasn't been that bad (Macbook Pro 2017), but can be quite striking if drag file from Finder to the Evernote icon on the Dock. Sometimes I'll add the article twice because thought it didn't take. Recommend Evernote give notification that it received the file and preparing to add it after a file is dragged to icon (or window).

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If of any help, lag has been getting a bit better for me, since I posted. It is now good enough to not fall back to the legacy version (7.x), but I hope improvements can be made in the future. Please keep those updates coming!

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I think Evernote company had a wrong step for their business.
Since 10 version, they have killed a native version of mac app and switched to WebView (electron js).
May be I'm wrong, but they also killed native iOS version.

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IMO the problem isn’t necessarily that it’s Electron. Slack’s Electron app is quite zippy.

It’s the speed. It’s the unoptimized nature. It’s the broken integration. I suppose that’s fixable but I’m still waiting for the acknowledgement.

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New update = SLOW. I long for the speed and ease-of-use that I enjoyed early on with Evernote. Now it seems I pay increasingly more without commensurate improvement in functionality. Getting read to export everything to Apple Notes. 

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Update: today, I had to fallback to the 7.x legacy version because 10.x did not sync. I agree, EN 10.x is a beta product at best right now.

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I love the new interface but it's very difficult to type in the app because it's constantly saving. As people have pointed out, it's also very laggy. Is there a fix for this?

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I have been an Evernote paying customer since 2013 for both my personal and business accounts with hundreds of pages of notes, and this version 10.1 upgrade is a pile of *****!    No way to sugar coat it -  and management and the developers are the culprits here.   This new version's functionality and performance on all my Apple devices (iOS & macOS) are SLOOOOOW to load (if they load at all), I have lost lots of functionality and many of my prior years of notes page formatting and column alignment is completely f-ked-up, which will take us months (if not a year plus) to repair and fix.    If you guys have no more development or coding skills than this, find another line of work!    Remember when 50% of the staff got fired in 2015???    Management should (at minimum) make the prior version available until this ***** pile can be completely rebuilt from the ground up again.  

Finally, I plan to post my Evernote version 10.1 upgrade upgrade problems and experience with illustrations and images on Evernote's Twitter page so that potential customers know what they are possibly getting with this substandard app.  

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3 hours ago, moffa said:

I have been an Evernote paying customer since 2013 for both my personal and business accounts with hundreds of pages of notes, and this version 10.1 upgrade is a pile of *****!    No way to sugar coat it -  and management and the developers are the culprits here.   This new version's functionality and performance on all my Apple devices (iOS & macOS) are SLOOOOOW to load (if they load at all), I have lost lots of functionality and many of my prior years of notes page formatting and column alignment is completely f-ked-up, which will take us months (if not a year plus) to repair and fix.    If you guys have no more development or coding skills than this, find another line of work!    Remember when 50% of the staff got fired in 2015???    Management should (at minimum) make the prior version available until this ***** pile can be completely rebuilt from the ground up again.  

Finally, I plan to post my Evernote version 10.1 upgrade upgrade problems and experience with illustrations and images on Evernote's Twitter page so that potential customers know what they are possibly getting with this substandard app.  

Why don't you just use the legacy version that is still available and save yourself all this stress?

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16 hours ago, Metrodon said:

Why don't you just use the legacy version that is still available and save yourself all this stress?

Is the legacy version going to be updated commensurate with future MacOS upgrades? Unlikely. MacOS Big Sur will be released soon. There are enough changes for Apple to label it MacOS 11.

Will Evernote 10 be fully functional in time for Big Sur? Unlikely. I suspect that legacy Evernote users will have to delay upgrading to Big Sur if they want full Evernote functionality and thus be forced to remain in the legacy version of Evernote. 

The clock is ticking.

 

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6 minutes ago, Jason Goldsmith said:

I suspect that legacy Evernote users will have to delay upgrading to Big Sur if they want full Evernote functionality and thus be forced to remain in the legacy version of Evernote. 

I just checked and Evernote Legacy seems to be working OK in Big Sur, so we’re good for now.

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6 hours ago, AviDee said:

Evernote Legacy seems to be working OK in Big Sur

Thanks Jason, that's a HUGE relief.  I do drag my feet with upgrades, but eventually I start to worry about security.  There are so many features missing in the new evernote that I literally cried with relief when I was able to download the legacy version onto Catalina!

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23 minutes ago, sarirap@gmail.com said:

Thanks Jason, that's a HUGE relief.  I do drag my feet with upgrades, but eventually I start to worry about security.  There are so many features missing in the new evernote that I literally cried with relief when I was able to download the legacy version onto Catalina!

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34 minutes ago, Meandering muse said:

Good point, and fixed, I didn't realize it posted like that.  Unfortunately, I've now been quoted... so too late to erase!

 

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19 hours ago, Meandering muse said:

Thanks Jason, that's a HUGE relief.  I do drag my feet with upgrades, but eventually I start to worry about security.  There are so many features missing in the new evernote that I literally cried with relief when I was able to download the legacy version onto Catalina!

I’m Avi, and I said that, not Jason.

I only played with it for a few minutes. It looks weird and didn’t seem to work well, but it was working OK.

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16 hours ago, AviDee said:

I’m Avi, and I said that, not Jason.

I only played with it for a few minutes. It looks weird and didn’t seem to work well, but it was working OK.

So sorry AviDee!  Thanks to you for the info!!!

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On 11/5/2020 at 6:48 AM, moffa said:

Finally, I plan to post my Evernote version 10.1 upgrade upgrade problems and experience with illustrations and images on Evernote's Twitter page so that potential customers know what they are possibly getting with this substandard app.  

Ha, I missed all the fun. Just installed v10.3.6 and was blown away by the sluggishness of a "desktop app". Luckily, time machine let me go back directly to v7.x

Sorry Evernote, how can you mess up so big?

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I just installed new version 10.3.6. The overall performance on my MacBook Air is terrible. Horror, the horror.

The legacy version 6.25.2 was working very nice, scrolling through notes was smooth, images/thumbnails appear instantly. Now with v10 it looks like slow-motion joke. Everything appears with heavy lags. Needless to say that competition programs work much faster as well. I had no other option than to roll-back to legacy version.

What makes me really sad is that I don't believe they will be able to significantly improve performance in the future. They mess this up so badly that the only solution is to buy more powerful devices... 

 

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Hi,
Also experiencing a noticeable slowness with 10.3.7 (running Catalina 10.15.7 on a 2017 iMac 5K).
Typing in the editor feels unresponsive and sluggish.
Opening a note in a new window (by double click) takes roughly two seconds; it used to be much faster.

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On 11/11/2020 at 10:36 AM, Barabasz said:

They mess this up so badly that the only solution is to buy more powerful devices... 

To me it seems they load every note you select from the internet. Would explain the slowness, and cannot really be fixed with more powerful devices.

The developers and testers of Evernote access their notes via LAN which is quick as a fox, but we have to use the Internet and that is slow?

Whatever, the v10 is unusable. And on my mobile (iOS) I cannot roll back and even the opening time of the app freaks me out. Usually I would open the app to quickly find something. But nowadays you click the app and it takes 3 to 10 secs before you can even start a search; On a current iPhone!

 

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On both my imac and iphone performance since the update has tanked.  I've been a premium evernote user for years and have loved the product, but this is getting me to consider going full time on trello or notes.  I can't even open notes on my imac, just empty notes with no content, everything is incredibly slow.  Really unhappy about the direction this product has taken.

 

To top it off, my evernote was hacked.

 

What are better options other than trello and notes?

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I use Evernote primarily on my desktop, MacMini (Late 2014), Catalina 10.15.7.  Unfortunately, I downloaded 10.3.7 last week and chose the option of deleting the previous version during the install of 10.3.7 - lesson learned, I should have known better.  Maybe I could use TimeMachine to recover as one of the other contributors suggested.  Anyway, same experience as Bitsofeight:

On 11/12/2020 at 4:17 AM, Bitsofeight said:

Hi,
Also experiencing a noticeable slowness with 10.3.7 (running Catalina 10.15.7 on a 2017 iMac 5K).
Typing in the editor feels unresponsive and sluggish.
Opening a note in a new window (by double click) takes roughly two seconds; it used to be much faster.

I followed one of the forum suggestions and installed the "legacy version" and am running it until I get response from EN tech support noting that the problem is fixed.  I had no idea of the other related problems until I read over this thread. I dumped 10.3.7 as soon as I noticed the sluggish feedback on keyboard entry into my notes. I noticed I was putting 4 keystrokes in before they showed up on my screen in EN. Then, I noticed that in 10.3.7 there is a small text notification in the lower right corner of the note that switches between "saving note" and " saved".  That fluctuation seems to sync perfectly with the jerky behavior of text entry.  Almost as though input is suspended while the note is being updated.  I should add that because of my location, my internet speed is fairly slow - 3 MB/s which slows down with other network demands and time of day.  However, the speed limitations were not any problem with the previous EN versions.  I'm not a techie, just a user who is now forced to look for EN alternatives over which I have more control.  I'd put DevonThink in place as a safeguard a while back when EN was in such trouble with people leaving and poor support.  While not as advanced in some ways, I know where my data is and that data is not in a proprietary format. I'm  now considering DThink for my primary info store.  I'm also revisiting AppleNotes to see if I can adapt to the recent release.

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I am running 10.3.7 and hate everything about it. The interface is dreadful, and the speed issues are appalling. Tabs have disappeared, so you have to go backwards and forwards when working on several notes at once.

I have been using Evernote for several years and have always likes its simplicity and practicality. This is all being taken away because some graphic designer has got hold of the interface and wrecked it.

When are we getting a decent version to use?

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3 hours ago, sqcpro said:

I use Evernote primarily on my desktop, MacMini (Late 2014), Catalina 10.15.7.  Unfortunately, I downloaded 10.3.7 last week and chose the option of deleting the previous version during the install of 10.3.7 - lesson learned, I should have known better.  Maybe I could use TimeMachine to recover as one of the other contributors suggested.  Anyway, same experience as Bitsofeight:

I followed one of the forum suggestions and installed the "legacy version" and am running it until I get response from EN tech support noting that the problem is fixed.  I had no idea of the other related problems until I read over this thread. I dumped 10.3.7 as soon as I noticed the sluggish feedback on keyboard entry into my notes. I noticed I was putting 4 keystrokes in before they showed up on my screen in EN. Then, I noticed that in 10.3.7 there is a small text notification in the lower right corner of the note that switches between "saving note" and " saved".  That fluctuation seems to sync perfectly with the jerky behavior of text entry.  Almost as though input is suspended while the note is being updated.  I should add that because of my location, my internet speed is fairly slow - 3 MB/s which slows down with other network demands and time of day.  However, the speed limitations were not any problem with the previous EN versions.  I'm not a techie, just a user who is now forced to look for EN alternatives over which I have more control.  I'd put DevonThink in place as a safeguard a while back when EN was in such trouble with people leaving and poor support.  While not as advanced in some ways, I know where my data is and that data is not in a proprietary format. I'm  now considering DThink for my primary info store.  I'm also revisiting AppleNotes to see if I can adapt to the recent release.

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Hi,

I have the same problem on Windows 10 with a 100/50Mbps internet connection. The first release I installed was not usable. The actual, 10.3.7, go faster, but not enough.

For me, it's not possible that each change we do (type one or two words, change notebook selection, move notes to other notebooks,...) need seconds to wait for server connection and data transfer. The worst is that in those 1-2-3 seconds we need to wait, evernote is stucked. For a productivity tool, at the moment is sadly not productive at all.

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I use Evernote for work and personal life on a pretty much daily basis. Have done for years. The frankly appalling job that's been done of the updated iOS and macOS apps is the reason I'm now researching the best alternative to transition to. Everyone from leadership, product management, developers and QA should be pretty ashamed that they were happy to release such a poorly performing product. It's not like it could have been a surprise, in the beta for iOS it was exactly the same and I said so in my feedback.

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On 11/17/2020 at 2:39 PM, JG1 said:

On both my imac and iphone performance since the update has tanked.  I've been a premium evernote user for years and have loved the product, but this is getting me to consider going full time on trello or notes.  I can't even open notes on my imac, just empty notes with no content, everything is incredibly slow.  Really unhappy about the direction this product has taken.

 

To top it off, my evernote was hacked.

 

What are better options other than trello and notes?

I purchased DEVONthink a while back as a backup to Evernote.  I then upgraded to DEVONthink 3.6. and because of this last EN launch failure am evaluating it as a full replacement for Evernote.  DT can import EN notes and looks like it strips out attachments and images to separate folders - similar to web page strategy.   DT does not use a proprietary file structure - it's .dBase2 I think, which can be fully encrypted, you can create multiple databases (a pro/con tradeoff), that are stored and run from my mac (that has it's pros and cons).  I use TimeMachine backup on external drive and general file backup to Apple.  DT uses some 3rd party plugins for some of the features EN tries to manage themselves (pros & cons).  I'm not familiar with DT's iOS versions.  EN has been such a workhorse and I've adapted to their quirky handling of some functions.  I'm sad to have to shop around. I think if my primary use was mobile, I may try to ride this out, but sadly my primary use is the desktop version which has been rendered unusable to me.  So, for now I'm on the Legacy version

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Looking into https://joplinapp.org/ now. I think it is not quite there, but it looks promising. Some people also mentioned Notion?

And... he put together some interesting list of flaws, but lacks to recognize the slowness of the ‚Äúapp‚ÄĚ.¬†https://masakudamatsu.medium.com/evernote-10s-user-interface-renewal-is-shockingly-bad-7753f8d9f411

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23 hours ago, Julian Pearcey said:

Is anyone at Evernote interested?

I know that they know, but level of concern??  I had turned in a Work Ticket on this issue as soon as I realized what was going on - Nov.11, 2020.  An EN support manager replied via automated email in 2 days with my Work ticket number and some boilerplate "help" which started off with "make sure you are using the current release".  That really raised my ire since THAT WAS THE PROBLEM.  And the response indicated that they were experiencing a higher than normal volume of requests. I suspect their staff IS overwhelmed with the tsunami they created with a premature version release.  But then I never asked for the release or had a chance to test it. So my compassion is very limited.  I haven't heard more but learned from their post last Friday that 10.4 was released - but I didn't see our issue listed in all the things they updated.  And I haven't received any response from EN support that 10.4 was a fix for our problem.  So, I posted this topic in the Versions 10.0 and above section, "10.4 forMac - does it fix the sluggish text editor interactions created by 10.3.7".  I'm hoping some users will address our needs.

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OMG, this new version is sooooo terrible. Notes won't load when I click them in the app, sometimes the app starts with the message that something went wrong.

It is so sloooooow, not at all what I was used to for the last 10 years. I'm a premium member since 2010 and never had anything to complain about, but this is just nuts!

I hoped an upgrade to Big Sur would resolve my issues, but nothing changed. A clean install of the app (with AppCleaner, so thoroughly) didn't help.

What has happened to this app? I use it for absolutely everything, so this is a big disaster.
Thank god for the legacy version. It's downloading my notes as we speak and it's so fast, but feels outdated. 

How long has this issue been going on? Why hasn't this been fixed already? I'm eagerly awaiting a new version of the new app that is as fast as the legacy version.
Please give us an update, Evernote!

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Not sure if this will help you or not, but my desktop version of EN is now responding as it did before they "fixed" things with 10.3.7.  

I saw that EN advised the 10.4 for Mac had been released last Friday, so I posted to the forum to solicit info from other users about their experience with 10.4 - did it resolve my issues or not.  Your reply indicates you have issues as well.  I hope sharing my experience will help.

I followed standard EN protocol for Premium users: Posted my concern to EN support on 11/11, Received a Support Ticket via email a couple of days later and waited. Yesterday, 11/25, I did a reply to EN support about the progress on the Ticket - Did the new 10.4 release fix my concern?  In a few hours I got a reply that was rather "boilerplate" noting the the current release "should" fix my issue. I was hoping for a clearer response, but figured it was worth a shot.  When I opened my 10.3.7 version, it automatically started downloading the "current version". 

v 10.4.3 build 2071 public
Editor: v112.1.14477
Service: v1.23.6
© 2019 - 2020 Evernote Corporation. All rights reserved

I've done some limited testing.  All old notes loaded OK, external and internal links worked OK.  I created several new notes without issue; started and stopped the notes without issue; put in link to other notes (works, but establishing the link and link activation is different from past, drag and drop jpg from desktop worked OK), rapid keyboard text entry worked fine, without hesitation, tried all with several intense applications running concurrently in Chrome - no problem.  So things seem to be running OK for me.  There were issues with the app registering in BigSur.  Clicking on the Icon in Launchpad tried to launch the older version, which presented the error that the older version would not work with the newer database - or something to that effect.  But currently, if I click on the EN icon in the Applications folder, it launches the new 10.4.3 version

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I used Google Translate to view your message so I apologize if I didn't understand your message properly. 

I AM NOT an Evernote Technical Expert, but I do have years of experience. I agree that from time to time Evernote is totally frustrating due to changes they make to "improve" the user experience. And I agree that prompt syncing across all user devices is a must. I also know that syncing between operating systems, EN versions and devices is very complex.

I primarily use the Mac Desktop version but require that my other iOS devices be synced.  I rarely use iOS for input, but do need the iOS to be in sync to access my most current data.

I think you should submit a formal request to EN tech support.   As a premium user, you are entitled to direct support.  From my experience, their support process is slow but may be your best solution.  See below for the article I used the last time I had to request support.

In the mean time, just to let you know, after the major problems with 10.3.7, I am now syncing OK between my MacMini desktop (running BigSur 11.0.1 with Evernote 10.4.3) and my iPhone (running Evernote 10.1).  I have had many issues with sync in the past.  I only include some of my issues to suggest that there are many reasons for sync trouble: 

  • Slow server response (taking 20 minutes or more to sync between my devices),
  • EN version conflicts between devices,
  • my home Network dropping my iPhone connection,
  • my iPhone web connection switching between my WiFi and phone carrier¬†(Verizon),
  • problems with EN updates (sync's OK to online, but sync doesn't download to device)¬†,
  • using EN offline and then failure to sync when WiFi connection becomes available.¬†

While waiting for EN Tech Support it may help to go through the following exercise.   First, be sure your EN data file is backed up.  EN has 2 versions of your data (that should be in sync) - one on their severs and one on your devices  Start by using ONLY the web version (Login to Evernote.com) through your browser, on one of your devices. Check that file for your recent EN data.  If there is missing data then your device has failed to update  their servers.   Be sure you have a good WiFi connection. Log out and then back into your EN account.  Using just one device, make entries into a note or start a new note.  Then close your Browser and EN; restart your device and reopen all to see if your new entries are there.  If all entries are there, you know that at least that device is updating the EN server.  From there, on the same WiFi. check by using your apps - phone or desktop to confirm your new entries show up.  If they all show OK then you will need to check other connectivity issues.  If there are problems, you will be able to communicate much better with EN support.

Good Luck.  

 

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19 hours ago, martinewski said:

The "fast release" updates promised are not happening. The launch of Evernote 10 was clearly forced and it has a poor performance on every platform.

I think the company representatives should address the users (with real information) on what's going on.

There were a lot of requests already on this forum and on social media asking Evernote for honest feedback for last months, but zero answers. Only some blog posts/videos with faked enthusiasm about a new release. Please search this forum for more.

There is a potential risk (educated guess), that EvN is falling apart as a company. Therefore, daily back-ups and looking for alternatives is recommended.

I'm currently testing MS OneNote (full Office 365 version) with pretty good results. There are some limitation, but app is fast and reliable and MS promised lot of  new features in 2021. Moreover, MS Support conditions are far more better.

Others also recommend to try Apple-Note - it's in my to-do list for December.

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2 minutes ago, Kolmir said:

They were a lot of requests on this forum and on social media asking Evernote for honest feedback for last months, but zero answers. Only some blog posts/videos with faked enthusiasm about a new release.

There is a potential risk (educated guess), that EvN is falling apart as a company. Therefore, daily back-ups and looking for alternatives is recommended.

I'm currently testing MS OneNote (full Office 365 version) with pretty good results. There are some limitation, but app is fast and reliable and MS promised lot of  new features in 2021. Moreover, MS Support conditions are far more better.

Others also recommend to try Apple-Note - it's in my to-do list for December.

My desktop version with a new release, 10.4.3 for Mac, has restored the performance EN created with the 10.3.7 release fiasco.  But why did the mess happen in the first place?, what level of responsibility does EN accept?, what controls has EN put in place to prevent similar issues in the future?  I agree with you, that without transparency from EN showing problem ownership, specific cause and resolution, we need assume that similar instances will happen without warning.   And this puts my data access and reliability at risk.  So, obviously I'm using EN with extreme caution and seeking more dependable alternatives.  Big on the list is what to do with the 6 years of EN data.  I chose DevonThink a couple of years ago, after the last suggestion that EN could fold imminently.  DT had a decent automated import feature for the EN database, but it' been a while since I've used it to back up EN. 

I tried a Windows version of OneNote a year or so ago and was pleased with it initially.  Easy to integrate with other 365 apps, highly visual, Database/folder/subfolder structure.  This was in a corporate environment on an intranet with plans to collaborate with others.  Since our company did not use Microsoft servers, the version control and syncing didn't work very well, so I dropped it.  But maybe sticking with it for personal use with OneDrive would be good. I'm pretty well locked into 365 since I must have Excel for my older files and business related communication.  If there were a decent way to port my EN data into OneNote, it would be my first alternative choice.

Apple Notes has really advanced, but I've not evaluated it.  I'd be needing easy ability for linking within note, to other notes, to other notebooks, to mail files, to calendar events, to server files (eg. Dropbox & Apple), device files, web pages and then the ability to find the information - a decent search.  I'm not so inclined to need photo editing, speech to text, pdf text recognition.

Good luck on your efforts Kolmir.

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1 hour ago, sqcpro said:

My desktop version with a new release, 10.4.3 for Mac, has restored the performance EN created with the 10.3.7 release fiasco.  But why did the mess happen in the first place?, what level of responsibility does EN accept?, what controls has EN put in place to prevent similar issues in the future?  I agree with you, that without transparency from EN showing problem ownership, specific cause and resolution, we need assume that similar instances will happen without warning.   And this puts my data access and reliability at risk.  So, obviously I'm using EN with extreme caution and seeking more dependable alternatives.  Big on the list is what to do with the 6 years of EN data.  I chose DevonThink a couple of years ago, after the last suggestion that EN could fold imminently.  DT had a decent automated import feature for the EN database, but it' been a while since I've used it to back up EN. 

I tried a Windows version of OneNote a year or so ago and was pleased with it initially.  Easy to integrate with other 365 apps, highly visual, Database/folder/subfolder structure.  This was in a corporate environment on an intranet with plans to collaborate with others.  Since our company did not use Microsoft servers, the version control and syncing didn't work very well, so I dropped it.  But maybe sticking with it for personal use with OneDrive would be good. I'm pretty well locked into 365 since I must have Excel for my older files and business related communication.  If there were a decent way to port my EN data into OneNote, it would be my first alternative choice.

Apple Notes has really advanced, but I've not evaluated it.  I'd be needing easy ability for linking within note, to other notes, to other notebooks, to mail files, to calendar events, to server files (eg. Dropbox & Apple), device files, web pages and then the ability to find the information - a decent search.  I'm not so inclined to need photo editing, speech to text, pdf text recognition.

Good luck on your efforts Kolmir.

Thank you, the same to you!

Links, which I collected about export/import:

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/import-notes-from-evernote-into-onenote-2016-for-windows-81805ec8-e8a8-417e-9719-37fed2b7a67c | https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote

https://helpdeskgeek.com/how-to/how-to-migrate-your-evernote-notes-to-microsoft-
https://office-watch.com/2019/new-features-promised-for-onenote/

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/onenote-web-clipper/gojbdfnpnhogfdgjbigejoaolejmgdhk

https://www.macrumors.com/how-to/migrate-from-evernote-to-apple-notes/ | https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205793

https://tidbits.com/2018/09/06/tipbits-how-to-move-your-evernote-notes-to-apples-notes/
https://alternativeto.net/software/evernote/

My point of view:

 

 

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23 hours ago, Kolmir said:

Kolmir; Thanks for sharing your efforts relating to Evernote migrations to other platforms.  It has saved me a lot of time already.  But, I have learned over the years that software companies and their management change. They act in what they believe to be their own best interests - both short and long term. Management comes and goes.  Markets change.  And that I alone am responsible for my data and its management.  My core requirements are: data integrity, indexing, security and availability; regardless data type, platform and operating system are the core requirements.  The rest is my personal ease of use.

I also appreciate the share from RavBoy that relates to Ian Small's interviews.  It helps to understand his approach but must also be tempered with the realities of the market and his ability to implement his vision.  And I liked your views on the,  the concept of 2 user downloadable versions - Officially supported and a Test Version.  But, I'd suggest that the test version only has content and changes that have successfully passed all of the prototype and Alpha testing.  Yes, users like yourself need to have an opportunity in the Alpha phase. But in my opinion, including Alpha release content to general users would be a PR and tech support nightmare for EN.   Perhaps utilizing some scheme of evaluator qualification utilizing Forum Posts and reputation would accomplish the goal?  

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