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9 minutes ago, ej8899 said:

 

Definitely not - all the attachments are kept separately in individual files from what I've seen playing around in the folder structure this morning . 

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  So, we are "not" good.  We will be limited to the server copies and any history it has for backups and will no longer be able to make our own backups.  Well, sh&t ...

Or, and I thought of this after posting, we probably can still use enex files for backup and restore.  For my usage, a little more work since my preference was to just backup the exb file as part of my system backup solution.  

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31 minutes ago, lisec said:

And what happens to all my saved and exported exb files?  I would create an exb of projects and keep them archived, then re-import when I needed them. Would I have to re-import all enex files before upgrading?

IF the import feature is still supported, I don't see any change to your situation
No - you don't have to re-import all enex files before upgrading

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2 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.  So, we are "not" good.  We will be limited to the server copies and any history it has for backups and will no longer be able to make our own backups.  Well, sh&t ...

This is bad.  I use Evernote on more than one Windows computer. I usually copy my most recent exb file to the other computer before doing a sync when I haven't used it in a while. Now it looks like I will have to download *everything* on each computer (three!) with terrible speeds... It could take more than a week to get them all at their baseline, and then to download again just to keep up. If I wanted cloud-only storage I would have gotten cloud-only storage!

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3 minutes ago, lisec said:

This is bad.  I use Evernote on more than one Windows computer. I usually copy my most recent exb file to the other computer before doing a sync when I haven't used it in a while. Now it looks like I will have to download *everything* on each computer (three!) with terrible speeds... It could take more than a week to get them all at their baseline, and then to download again just to keep up. If I wanted cloud-only storage I would have gotten cloud-only storage!

Yes, that was how I updated new PCs too.  Only having to deal with the exb file was nice.  I would hope that Evernote does not remove enex export and import, so we hopefully will still have that option, but I think you have to do that notebook by notebook otherwise you will lose the notebook information.  A tedious process if you have many notebooks.

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32 minutes ago, lisec said:

not that I am going to be upgrading...

I am waiting for the new version issues to be resolved before I make any decision
In the meantime, the legacy version continues to work well for me

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1 hour ago, s2sailor said:

Only having to deal with the exb file was nice.

I migrated to several PCs with my growing (now 25GB+) database.  I saw somewhere (brain hurts - can't give you a link...) that backups will still be available in v10 by exporting/ downloading each notebook into an ENEX file. 

There is a utility (Backupery) that would extract those automatically from an EXB file,  but they're in the same state as us users at the moment - Evernote currently doesn't support that sort of excess access* - so they're looking at API backups online.  Maybe.  

EDIT:  Told you my brain hurts... 😏

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Today my system told me my C drive capacity is low...after installing V10 in 2 days????!!!

My system drive has 120GB and it had about 25-30GB free space yesterday.

I used to save my EN database on the other drive. Now the database took up all my already-too-small system drive space.

I found NO WAY to change database location setting in the preference...

I thought modifying timestamp would be the only issue and it will come anytime soon in the later release.

Now I am sad...and mad at evernote because it wastes my two good days (weekend).

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I hope Francesco D'Alessio is aware. There are a lot of die-hard users (me included) who can't believe what Evernote have done here.

Notion - I thought it did have offline @MarcSant? But currently no hidden OCR index behind images

OneNote - no ootb tags which makes searching harder for me. It has OCR though

Roam - ain't cheap...

Airtable - more structured information rather than freeform writing?

Awful for me to be talking about moving off Evernote after 12 years, but this release is forcing my hand.

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38 minutes ago, avevers said:

Notion - I thought it did have offline @MarcSant? But currently no hidden OCR index behind images

No OCR, weak privacy, no global search inside the tables.

38 minutes ago, avevers said:

Airtable - more structured information rather than freeform writing?

Great tables but haven't full support all other languages than English.

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1 hour ago, gazumped said:

Yup.  I have a 25GB+ database.  If I update and install the legacy version it looks like Evernote will eat 50GB+ of my storage space for the 'hidden' v10 store and my public 6.25 EXB. 

Holy s**t

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On 10/11/2020 at 3:01 PM, gazumped said:

Yup.  I have a 25GB+ database.  If I update and install the legacy version it looks like Evernote will eat 50GB+ of my storage space for the 'hidden' v10 store and my public 6.25 EXB. 

We have the same problem on Macs; double storage
It would have been so nice if a common database could be shared, however that's not realistic
I look forward to learning about the new and improved database format   
Pre v10
- Windows have everything crammed into a single .exb database file    
- Macs have a small database for metadata, and separate folders for each note's content   
v10     
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I am also looking to migrate to Notion.  For offline, this is what is available now.  Hopefully, a better offline solution is provided soon.

No OCR now, but it is on the roadmap.  I can live with it.  And probably explore other add-on option.

What are important but lacking in Notion are: Tags and Web Clipper.

The Tags are local to the Page or Database.  There is a Global Tags Database workaround which I am still exploring and testing.  

The Web Clipper is really not as good as Evernote.  Need to find a solution to this before I switch.

 

 

 

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30 minutes ago, imagemaster said:

No OCR, weak privacy, no global search inside the tables.

Great tables but haven't full support all other languages than English.

Notion is nothing like as mature as Evernote (6, not 10), then... I use Notion as a CRM but not looked into using it as a viable Evernote replacement. Might still be the closest alternative we currently have, and they seem more open about their planned roadmap.

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8 hours ago, bradsayers said:

absurd is the word for this. Creating a new note on the fly, regardless of what app I'm in is essential. How could Evernote not get this? In fact, I have most of my mouse buttons configured to do something in Evernote. One mouse button is configured to do a search in Evernote which is great because regardless of the program I'm in, I can quickly open up Evernote, and see the cursor flashing in the search field. 

I agree. Fast note creation (with keyboard shortcuts) is something I do in Evernote at least a dozen times a day. 

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4 hours ago, gazumped said:

Yup.  I have a 25GB+ database.  If I update and install the legacy version it looks like Evernote will eat 50GB+ of my storage space for the 'hidden' v10 store and my public 6.25 EXB. 

Maybe ODS is on the V10 road map?   ;) 

Seriously though I wonder where the search is executed if you have a fully downloaded DB and are online?

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28 minutes ago, CalS said:

Seriously though I wonder where the search is executed if you have a fully downloaded DB and are online?

With IOS, the search is executed at the server when online (edit pre v10)
The downloaded DB is ignored.

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16 minutes ago, DTLow said:

With IOS, the search is executed at the server when online
The downloaded DB is ignored.

Yeah, know that in the old world order, just wondering about the new world order.

EDIT:  Unless you mean new world order IOS

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9 minutes ago, CalS said:

Yeah, know that in the old world order, just wondering about the new world order.

EDIT:  Unless you mean new world order IOS

I edited my post to specify pre V10 (old world order)   
I'll test in v10; just having trouble with the full download DB part

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8 hours ago, lisec said:

BUT, now that they have their 2 years worth of work leveling out the playing field across all platforms, which is what they said their intention was, I'm still willing to hang around for a bit and wait for all the missing features to be implemented. I mean at the end of the day, their BIG mistake was to put this out now instead of waiting until all they implemented all the features.

We are seeing currently on Evn side following things: no integrity, lack of proper management, and poor engineering standards. No communication. No proper Quality Assurance.

Therefore, I afraid, that their 2-years foundation may be pretty weak and unstable. Building on that may be just as bad as building a house on swamps/quicksand...

EvN may be simply a sinking ship. An example of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_march_(project_management)

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On 10/11/2020 at 7:43 PM, toao said:

no, you are note alone...what are you planning to migrate to?

I'm exploring Notion, but some of the features I love about Evernote are missing from Notion:

Notion doesn't let you create a note from the notification bar in Android (creating notes quickly is important to me)
No OCR
No location tagging of notes created on an Android phone
Notion's create a new note keyboard shortcut in Windows (control-N) conflicts with Google Chrome
Notion doesn't have an "all notes" view
The Android app doesn't have the ability to create photo notes (though you can share a photo with Notion and add it that way) 

I'm going to continue to use the legacy version of Evernote for awhile. It works fine and I hope that over the next few weeks, Evernote 10 will become more like Evernote 6. 

I've been an Evernote Premium user since 2008.

 

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On 10/11/2020 at 12:21 AM, dbvirago said:

I could probably be happy with the legacy version indefinitely, but to me it raises several problems. 

If we thought development was stagnant, this means it is now at a complete standstill.

Based on the amount of time that has gone into v10, the length of the closed and open Beta, and the amount of feedback they received, and the final release, I don't have much faith that v10 will improve much or soon, so indefinitely is truly indefinitely.

They could, at any time, change the syncing so that it no longer functions with the legacy apps. 

I don't think disappointed is quite strong enough. 

I think the legacy version should last a couple of months quite reliably. I wouldn't rely on it beyond that though for anything mission critical. We'll be able to see quite clearly what direction EN is going by that time and Id expect most of the bugs to be shaken out too. If by then it still doesn't do what I want, I guess Ill have to shop around.

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3 minutes ago, bishopblaize said:

I think the legacy version should last a couple of months quite reliably. I wouldn't rely on it beyond that though for anything mission critical. We'll be able to see quite clearly what direction EN is going by that time and Id expect most of the bugs to be shaken out too. If by then it still doesn't do what I want, I guess Ill have to shop around.

I agree with everything in this post... it is very clear EN is struggling internally and my guess is they've lost lots of top talent that doesn't need to stay on a sinking ship. I'm thinking if I can downgrade to 6.* for a couple of months that gives me time to proof-of-concept Notion or others (with my data) and make the jump safely. Not how I wanted to spend October, but... (Is this where I say "Thank, Evenote!"?). 

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35 minutes ago, bishopblaize said:

I think the legacy version should last a couple of months quite reliably. I wouldn't rely on it beyond that though for anything mission critical. 

I'm estimating/hoping for a longer time frame (years)

>>We'll be able to see quite clearly what direction EN is going by that time and Id expect most of the bugs to be shaken out too. If by then it still doesn't do what I want, I guess Ill have to shop around.

I agree.  
I'm not making decisions based on the initial release of a work-in-progress product   
I also haven't installed the new version on my primary device

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1 hora atrás, jcnassoc disse:

I too am a long-time Evernote (paying) user / fan / advocate. And I too have been devastated to see what was once an outstanding piece of software utterly destroyed. This is sad. 

Yeah, me too. I spoke about Evernote to almost all my work fellows and colleagues and now I was really disappointed. The ticket that I opened in the support was answered today, and the only path that tech support guy instructed my is "Use the Legacy Version".

I'm pretty sure that I know which direction the company is aiming at with the product, and for me, it's enough. I'm planning to invest my effort to Notion, and leave Evernote and wishes good luck.

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The answer I got from representative support:

"Hello there Marcelo,

Thank you for taking the time to reach out to Evernote Customer Support. This is Jeffrey, and I'll be assisting you today.

I understand you'd like to go back to using the older version of Evernote. While we encourage everyone to give the new Evernote app a try, we recognize that there are some scenarios where using an older version is necessary or desired.

You can download the Evernote Legacy app by following the instructions in this Help & Learning article: Install an older version of Evernote.

If you run into any trouble, I'd be happy to help troubleshoot with you so you can get back to being productive with Evernote.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

If you have any other questions or clarifications, feel free to reply to this email. We will do our best to assist you.

Kind Regards,

Jeffrey B.
Customer Support Representative"

So, for those are not happy with the new 10 version, there only 2 possible options:

- Stick with legacy version

- Switch to another product. 

 

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1 hour ago, DTLow said:

I agree.  I'm not making decisions based on the initial release of a work-in-progress   

Well, I waited roundabout 2 years. Maybe longer. Evernote is missing new features and progress since at least 2 years. I had a nasty bug with highlighting formatting I was in contact with the support about. At some point I just realized  that they won't fix it anymore as they plan to launch a new editor anyways. And I accepted that and I waited for the relaunch to come. I was expecting something comparable to Notion because this seems to be the state of the art for a notes app.

As I said before: A software full with bugs is one thing that happens often (even Apple sometimes publishs critial OS versions). My problem are not the bugs - bugs could be fixed. My problem is the horrible UX. I won't accept that. Evernote seemingly made the choice to move in a certain direction. This is not my direction. Maybe they did a competitor analysis and decided that powerusers should just use Notion while everyone who is looking for a simple notes app with just a bit more functionality than Apple's native app should use Evernote. If so, they will have to reinvent their business model, I guess the power users are those who are willing to pay for premium. Whatever, that's their thing and not my business.

In hindsight: When I heard the very first speech of the new CEO I should have known it ;) The speech was a terrible sequence of buzzword-overloaded sentences without meaning. Tenor was: "Let's not talk about features, let's talk about what Evernote should feel like". I think he had a strategic shift in mind: Get away from demaning power users and nerds and try to become the go-to app for everyone who is just looking for an Apple Notes pendant that works on Windows as well.

 

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At least in my point of view, they are unifying the product to have a single development team, reducing costs by allowing the Windows team to have the same development base for Apple. 

This forces them to remove features that are highly dependent on the operating system, such as sending a note via email, changing the font to a list larger than just 5, among other things. 

What they did was: "we will implement a multi-platform version, release it with what we could provide for both ecosystems, and over time we will implement back what we removed." 

From a business point of view, it makes sense because you save money and focus in one direction only, with shorter development cycles.

But the problem is that they haven't thought about users at all: they've launched the new product and damn what the user thinks. They could have minimized all this stress by sending an email to all users talking about the new version, and in this email putting the link to the Legacy version in case the user didn't feel comfortable with the changes.

I live here in Brazil, I have always praised and spoken well of American Technology companies, how serious they are, competent and how they produce excellent systems and products that help our lives, but this time, sincerely gave me shame about what they did. 

It was very, very amateurish. I would expect this kind of posture from a backyard company, a beginner, which has a bunch of teenage nerds starting now, but, honestly, the role is inverted: The teenage nerds are producing each time more great products, creating applications that are innovating and changing the life of many people, and contrary to what I said, they don't take these decisions that irritate so many people in such a short time.

I think the company's board needs to look to this, it needs to look to what is happening, it is not just a bunch of angry people with a new function or new resource but essential functions that makes the product viable for the users.

Evernote as a company can't just believe that because we depend on them we won't migrate to another platform, we can and will do it! 15 years ago there wasn't alternative, today we have, and to have alternatives means that your product can't give margin for error. 

And this last change was a grotesque mistake, which is leading to a huge base of paying users to rethink Evernote as a loyal note companion. 

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1 hour ago, MarcSant said:

The answer I got from representative support:

"Hello there Marcelo,

Thank you for taking the time to reach out to Evernote Customer Support. This is Jeffrey, and I'll be assisting you today.

I understand you'd like to go back to using the older version of Evernote. While we encourage everyone to give the new Evernote app a try, we recognize that there are some scenarios where using an older version is necessary or desired.

You can download the Evernote Legacy app by following the instructions in this Help & Learning article: Install an older version of Evernote.

If you run into any trouble, I'd be happy to help troubleshoot with you so you can get back to being productive with Evernote.

Thank you for your patience and understanding.

If you have any other questions or clarifications, feel free to reply to this email. We will do our best to assist you.

Kind Regards,

Jeffrey B.
Customer Support Representative"

So, for those are not happy with the new 10 version, there only 2 possible options:

- Stick with legacy version

- Switch to another one. 

 

Thanks for sharing their response Marc. Seems to me they are 100% NOT taking responsibility for what's happened... almost making it seem it is our (users') odd-ball "scenarios" that require us to downgrade. 

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1 minuto atrás, jcnassoc disse:

Thanks for sharing their response Marc. Seems to me they are 100% NOT taking responsibility for what's happened... almost making it seem it is our (users') odd-ball "scenarios" that require us to downgrade. 

Yeah. At least, some support manager will be get promotion bonuses when their support team will be handle more than 100% increase support tickets in the next few weeks!

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2 hours ago, DTLow said:

I'm estimating/hoping for a longer time frame (years)

>>We'll be able to see quite clearly what direction EN is going by that time and Id expect most of the bugs to be shaken out too. If by then it still doesn't do what I want, I guess Ill have to shop around.

I agree.  
I'm not making decisions based on the initial release of a work-in-progress product   
I also haven't installed the new version on my primary device

I think it will be more than a couple of months, just based on how slowly they develop. But I don't think it will be years. At some point, they will change the engine behind syncing and that is when it will break. Of course, as a standalone app, there is no reason it won't work as long as the OS can handle it.

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I've been an Evernote user since 2012 and a premium subscriber since 2014.  I use the Mac client (v7) on my work machine, two home Windows machines on 6.25, my phone (iOS) and iPad Pro.  I've been using Mac at work since July and been loving the dark mode.  The functionality seems to have some odd omissions versus the Windows client but nothing I couldn't live with.  I came to this post after googling for the copy/paste issue from Outlook, which for a while I thought was user error (I've been getting used to MacOS keyboard shortcuts) or a setting.

So I didn't even know there was a v10 version until googling.  I got excited for a minute or two... then I started reading the feedback and got worried. 

I've got 3700+ notes , about 3000 of which are work related.  I'm very concerned about the time and effort involved in migrating them to another platform, and the cognitive effort to get used to it.  I just don't have the time for that right now!  A while back I tried to migrate to OneNote due to restrictions on my old Win 10 work laptop, and it was a disaster.  The import mangles the notebook stack/notebook/note structure and doesn't do multiple tagging!   

So I'm now thinking I'll have to find something else.  I'm yet to find something that meets my requirements.  Having recently paid my yearly subscription I've now got just under a year to research and switch.  UNLESS some of the things I'm reading here change!  No local notes?? That's ridiculous! My internet is pretty good but if I couldn't refer to my notes during an outage it would be disastrous!  The web version is ok as a backup if I'm on a different device but isn't a suitable platform for the main reference.  This might be the kick I needed to spend some time rolling my own.

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I feel your pain, 4d4m. I too dread the idea of a migration to another product and the time and effort involved. I too have a few thousand notes, and some of them with encrypted text--which I am assuming no EN alternative--even one's with the ability to import EN data--will be able to handle. Not happy!

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2 hours ago, dbvirago said:

Of course, as a standalone app, there is no reason it won't work as long as the OS can handle it.

Just be sure and never log out.  You need a server to log in.  That's the stopgap should EN suddenly disappear as a business.  Then you have what you need to port to wherever.

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2 hours ago, dbvirago said:

At some point, they will change the engine behind syncing and that is when it will break. Of course, as a standalone app, there is no reason it won't work as long as the OS can handle it.

At that point, the "beating a dead horse" analogy will be completed
By then, I will have converted to v10 or another service

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16 hours ago, lisec said:

I'm as pissed as everyone else, and really angry at Evernote for putting out this version without FULL details (surely they must have expected this blow-back), BUT, now that they have their 2 years worth of work leveling out the playing field across all platforms, which is what they said their intention was, I'm still willing to hang around for a bit and wait for all the missing features to be implemented. I mean at the end of the day, their BIG mistake was to put this out now instead of waiting until all they implemented all the features. So I'll hang on the older version and give them a bit of time to do their work. Yes, the screwed up big time with this, but it really was just an error of releasing too early. At least that's what I hope.

I sort of feel the same--though I can't actually try out the new version until I upgrade to a Windows 10 system in a month or so. By then, some of the desired functionality may be starting to trickle back in. I also use Scrivener. They are a much, much smaller company, with only a couple of programmers, and they have had a new Windows program in beta for a couple of years, not wanting to release a finalized version until it's really ready. A lot of users are really aggravated, though the beta does seem to work reliably.

So, the Goldilocks syndrome: this software released too early, it's all borked and feature-free, I'm going elsewhere; this software took too long to be finalized, I'm out of patience, I'm going elsewhere; this software released right on time and was absolutely perfect, I'm hallucinating. :lol:

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On 10/10/2020 at 10:55 AM, MarcSant said:

Please, if you noted some another missing feature, feel free to contribute to this list.

- Lack of bunch of useful keyboard shortcuts such as F6 putting you in the search box, F2 putting you the note title

- Not being able to select more than 50 notes at a time

- CTRL + D to change the font, size, color etc. I guess part of the keyboard shortcuts above, but I use it so much that I have to type it. :) 

- If I pulled a note from the shortcut menu, the card view goes away and the note takes up more space which is fine but now my CTRL + 2 for example does not take me to the shortcut item. 

8 hours ago, Coffee First Thing said:

I'm exploring Notion

I am exploring Nimbus and I must say it is really awesome so far. I am missing the card view and being able to store and Excel file in the app that you can launch does not seem to work for Nimbus. But everything else, they are hitting what I wanted from Evernote.

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On 10/10/2020 at 4:55 PM, MarcSant said:

- There are only FIVE Fonts. For me that store computer code in the notes, it is A TERRIBLE choice

This. I don't know what they were thinking - my notes are MESSY to look at at this point. As well as the lack of colors to choose from. So we got four new highlighter colors (which could already be accessed by a work-around copy-paste thing in previous versions) and got pretty much all creative user input deleted for what? Streamlining? The entire update feels like a GIANT step back compared to the previous version, I am very disappointed :(

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1 minute ago, dsm42 said:

It is missing the "Top List" view option - which is necessary for how I use Evernote.   I had to find an old downloaded version and reinstall that one...

Essential to me too. What a disastrous release.

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What the heck happened to shortcuts. 128 notes displayed by relevance?  what makes one note more relevant than another?  I have over 5k notes with a Meeting tag.  A shortcut that displays them in date created order has been a go to for years. Now it is gone. This is the note from tech: The search sorting is currently not implemented yet. For now, Evernote search provides result by relevance. This feature is on our to-do list and we plan on building them soon.

Help!

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3 hours ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

I also use Scrivener.

So do I!  I mean I *have* it, but haven't used it in a long while. I just use it for screenwriting - it never occurred to me to use it for something else. I'll load it up again and see.  I think I downloaded it to replace an old app called MindManager that I used to use to outline my PhD. It was like a flow chart program. I miss that one.

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This - - I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack. -- alone is nearly a deal breaker for me.

Other things:

Also, I can print multiple notes at one time or at least I can't figure out how to do it.

I can't sort or filter by notebook.

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2 hours ago, mi_cha said:

I`ve just found Nimbus Notes today and I'll give a try. Notion and OneNote do not seem substitutes to me.

My first 5 minutes testing Nimbus Desktop client for Windows. Unsystematic impressions:

pros:

  1. offline access (offline database synced to server NOT local notebooks as EN 6.x)
  2. sync button and status info available (peace of mind to me)
  3. folders show note count number
  4. color tags available for folders and notes
  5. web clipper for Chrome works fine

cons:

  1. the Windows desktop client is written in Electron, just like the new EN 10. So, it feels like a web app, VERY little  customization (no status bar, no toolbar for shortcuts i.e.!!)
  2. unable to open more than one note in different windows simultaneously
  3. title is incorporated to the note text, as a header - so it disappears as the user scrolls the text down, just like EN 10
  4. internal links work, but they look like a https:// path, followed by a long alphanumeric sequence (you have to click to know what note it refers to]
  5. a bullet list is automatically created if the line starts with a symbol (no way to disable it, annoying)
  6. few fonts (default | serif | handwritten | mono) and sizes (S - M  - L), just like EN 10
  7. detailed note list view is not available (in fact, there is only one list view mode, which can be sorted by "title", "created date" and "update")

In short, as far as I could see, Nimbus is no substitute for EN 6.25, but it might be a similiar competitor to EN 10, if it remains as it is.

In this case, I will be forced to adjust to a new note-taking concept, with way less functions.

For now: working with EN 6.25 and watching how EN 10 evolves (hope EN come to its senses!!).

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On 10/11/2020 at 8:10 AM, DMiddleton said:

Regarding the sync, on my machines ON stores the notebooks in full in the OneDrive folder so I can access them fully offline, as opposed to other files that are 'available on demand' in OneDrive.

You're right, my mistake: ON notebooks can be stored offline.

Another missing feature for me: the tabs on the right (pages) are not automatically sorted (by title, date created, date modified, whatever), so, it is really hard to manage more than 50 pages.

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1 hour ago, mi_cha said:

You're right, my mistake: ON notebooks can be stored offline.

The old OneNote used to save the file locally, and I think perhaps the stand-alone app does as well, but I remember getting an email about 2-3 years ago where they said OneNote was now online only. I know there was some distinction between stand-alone and the new OneNote.

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7 hours ago, JaneneF said:

This - - I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack. -- alone is nearly a deal breaker for me.

Other things:

Also, I can print multiple notes at one time or at least I can't figure out how to do it.

I can't sort or filter by notebook.

The new search and filter takes some getting used to. The key is to select the notebook before you start doing anything. If you then search you will have an option (it's very faint) below the search bar to filter in the notebook you have slected so need to click add filter there

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For filtering, again if you start in a notebook it will filter the notes in that notebook.

There are all sorts of things you simply cannot do easily - the main ones that annoy me being:

  • Can't save a filter only a search even if the net results are identical.
  • Can't select "any" like you can in the legacy version.

The advanced search syntax does work which is something

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8 hours ago, avevers said:

Also - table of contents gone? (I wouldn't know- I moved back to 6.5 in no time)

There is an (in my opinion better) alternative to the TOC but I don't think it is obvious. Once you have selected the notes you need to select "copy internal links" either by right clicking a selected note or from the three dots in the blue multi-select menu. You can then paste those links into a new note. If you hit the numbered list icon first and then paste them in you will get a numbered list. The reasons I like it more than the existing system is:

  • You can reorder the numbered list by dragging and dropping
  • You can add the list to an existing note - I have alot of dashboard notes which are my constantly evolving gateway into a particular topic
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The advanced syntax are all those wonderful tricks for searching for exactly what you want. See https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/208313828-How-to-use-Evernote-s-advanced-search-syntax 

The new search/filter process makes some of these less needed because of the built in ability to search/filter for things like notes containing pdfs. This is provided you have remembered to build up your search in the notebook -> filter -> text order I described.

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16 hours ago, mi_cha said:

My first 5 minutes testing Nimbus Desktop client for Windows. Unsystematic impressions:

pros:

  1. offline access (offline database synced to server NOT local notebooks as EN 6.x)
  2. sync button and status info available (peace of mind to me)
  3. folders show note count number
  4. color tags available for folders and notes
  5. web clipper for Chrome works fine

cons:

  1. the Windows desktop client is written in Electron, just like the new EN 10. So, it feels like a web app, VERY little  customization (no status bar, no toolbar for shortcuts i.e.!!)
  2. unable to open more than one note in different windows simultaneously
  3. title is incorporated to the note text, as a header - so it disappears as the user scrolls the text down, just like EN 10
  4. internal links work, but they look like a https:// path, followed by a long alphanumeric sequence (you have to click to know what note it refers to]
  5. a bullet list is automatically created if the line starts with a symbol (no way to disable it, annoying)
  6. few fonts (default | serif | handwritten | mono) and sizes (S - M  - L), just like EN 10
  7. detailed note list view is not available (in fact, there is only one list view mode, which can be sorted by "title", "created date" and "update")

In short, as far as I could see, Nimbus is no substitute for EN 6.25, but it might be a similiar competitor to EN 10, if it remains as it is.

In this case, I will be forced to adjust to a new note-taking concept, with way less functions.

For now: working with EN 6.25 and watching how EN 10 evolves (hope EN come to its senses!!).

well my issue with nimbus is that they neither seem to have local notebooks nor zero knowledge encryption, i.e. they can read your notes...otherwise it would have been great, but this is a show stopper for me...

 

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1 minute ago, Mike P said:

The advanced syntax are all those wonderful tricks for searching for exactly what you want. See https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/208313828-How-to-use-Evernote-s-advanced-search-syntax 

The new search/filter process makes some of these less needed because of the built in ability to search/filter for things like notes containing pdfs. This is provided you have remembered to build up your search in the notebook -> filter -> text order I described.

Thanks. That's for the legacy version. So I guess there are no new search features, like boolean or anything like that, aside from their new ability to "filter".

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21 minutes ago, lisec said:

That's for the legacy version. So I guess there are no new search features, like boolean or anything like that, aside from their new ability to "filter".

It was promised in the EN YouTube video about the new search that the old search syntax would continue to work - and it does. I agree that Boolean search is an obvious omission in EN. I did read something from ages ago that stated that the multitude of different EN versions made Boolean search difficult to implement. Perhaps with a common code base and searches largely taking place on the server, Boolean search is something that we will see in the future. 

Meanwhile, although the search has a few problems and you have to approach it in a certain way that seems logical to the developers, I generally like it and will be easier for most users while retaining the things that power users need. It has also improved massively since the early beta versions when I was creating posts with names like "The current search/filter set up is ridiculous"

 

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Evernote just forced an update onto my system yesterday.

 

My initial  reaction is that the  MS Windows App version has been dumbed down to the web / phone version.

 

The single most important thing missing is that the ability to simply email a Note to someone seems to be gone .    And worse, if  you go to Share and click to get a copy of  a link, the person you send that to can't access the note to see it.   Says no access available even though they are in the shared list on the Notebook and Note.    This one change is big enough to me that I'm going shopping.  Just not acceptable to remove a core feature like emailing Notes with no warning.

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I just downgrade to Evernote v7.x because I loose a lot of time with Evernote v10 on Mac Os.

Evernote product owner should stop user their client as testers. The version V10 is not finished !

I get a lot of issues

- My shortcuts that i use daily are not working 

- The list of notes is not updated when i update a note (change tag or date)

- Performance issues; The app is very slow when i click on a tag or shortcuts

- Strange design choice (example: putting the tags and reminder menu on the bottom of the editor !)

 

I follow those steps to downgrade to 7.x

  1. Download a old version from here https://evernote.fr.uptodown.com/mac/versions
  2. Delete the folder ~/Library/Application Support/com.evernote.Evernote/ (otherwise you will get the error: Version too old! )

I hope that helps you

 

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I've been using Windows version 10 for just 15 minutes and regret updating to it. The split window display mode is gone. All my notes have been converted to Sans Serif font and a larger font size, and there are only six fonts to choose from. It honestly looks and feels like a cheap port of the Android version.

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10 hours ago, toao said:

well my issue with nimbus is that they neither seem to have local notebooks nor zero knowledge encryption, i.e. they can read your notes...otherwise it would have been great, but this is a show stopper for me...

 

no local notebooks,  but with offline access.  for encryption, evernote also does not have encryption (or very bare selected text encryption)

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4 hours ago, TonyLim said:

no local notebooks,  but with offline access.  for encryption, evernote also does not have encryption (or very bare selected text encryption)

agreed, but prior to "Evernote Light" aka V10 Evernote at least had the local notebooks, which was my workaround for sensitive data. e2e encryption would be even better, but outside of joplin and devonthink (mac) few solutions seem to offer that....

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On 10/11/2020 at 6:54 AM, MarcSant said:

Notion, is another great alternative, but, there is no offline storage. But, looking great with a tons of features that I asked among the years and have them today. It also have an import tool than can import everything that you have just in one click. 

This is program that I'm testing right now, until Evernote Legacy is supported. 

This is what I'm spending my time researching a mission. The functionality with Notion is amazing, but the search function in Evernote is second to none. It is going to be hard to migrate as I've been using Evernote since 2007 and have over 20K notes currently.

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Yes, Notion seems to have lots of functionality that Evernote does not have (some we have been asking for).  Besides local notebooks (or encryption), the major feature I need is the global tagging.  Although there is an alternate solution provided in Notion, but it is not truly global.

The next one is Nimbus notes, with global tagging (yet to test out).   But no local notebooks (or encryption).

Joplin could be another choice, with end-to-end encryption.  Open source.

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I got another answer from Tech Support:

 

"

Jeffrey B. (Evernote Help and Learning)

Oct 13, 2020, 19:41 PDT

Hello Marcelo,

Thank you for your reply.

We understand your frustration regarding these missing features. We haven’t yet built this feature into the new Evernote app. These features are on our to-do list and we plan on building it soon.

We thank you for your understanding and patience.

Let me know if there is anything else you need. We are here to help.

Regards,

Jeffrey B.
Customer Support Representative

 

Marcelo Santos

Oct 13, 2020, 4:47 PDT

“You can still use the Legacy version of Evernote in the future. However, we recommend that you update to and use the newest version of Evernote to get the latest features and ensure that you have the most recent bug fixes, security fixes, and performance improvements.”

How I can use the newest version since it lack’s core features that I use as daily basis?

- There is no way to change the color of lateral toolbar from Dark.

- There is no way to put shortcuts list in the top of screen. It will not move anymore

- There are only FIVE Fonts. For me that store computer code in the notes, it is A TERRIBLE choice

- I can't change the Interface Language. I like to use English Interface, since I can have a lot of info in foruns instead to get translated the Brazilian version to English one.

- I can't create a Notebook inside the Notebook stack as I always did. You need to first create the Notebook, then move it to stack

- I can't grab a screen capture anymore

- I can't Paste text directly to Evernote note (CTRL+shitf+V) anymore

- I can't import a folder anymore

- I can't un-stack a Notebook from a stack using right click mouse. I need to drag an drop them.

- I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack

The newest version have this features? If yes, please show me. If not, I stick with legacy version until my migration plan is in course. After that, I will cease to use Evernote and hope you all good luck with this sinking ship.

Att,

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Marcelo Santos"

So, honestly, I give up. I don't know all you, but this time is enough for me.

 

 

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On 10/12/2020 at 10:19 PM, avevers said:

It's really useful to learn of these alternatives. Sometimes the smaller players can still deliver the biggest value.

Keep 'em coming - I want to be ready for the Evernopocalpyse if it is indeed coming.

What about Joplin?

Seems the best alternative for EverNote.
 
 
 
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6 hours ago, TonyLim said:

Yes, Notion seems to have lots of functionality that Evernote does not have (some we have been asking for).  Besides local notebooks (or encryption), the major feature I need is the global tagging.  Although there is an alternate solution provided in Notion, but it is not truly global.

The next one is Nimbus notes, with global tagging (yet to test out).   But no local notebooks (or encryption).

Joplin could be another choice, with end-to-end encryption.  Open source.

I just started exploring Joplin. Thanks.

Compared with OneNote and Notion, Joplin is a lot less complex, easier to use, and more like Evernote. I also like that the Android app was updated just a few days ago, always a good sign. 

I'm still hopeful that Evernote 10 will be as feature rich as Evernote 6. 

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Well I'm glad to see I'm not the only person unhappy with the latest version.  I joined during the beta, and was willing to live with some flakiness while they worked out bugs.  Seeing that it released in this state, however, is a demotivator honestly.  I've been using Evernote daily for 10 years, both home and work.  I have a paid account, and 12,000 notes.. The missing features, the poor speed, and the general lack of stability I've seen in the Mac version has me disappointed ... I reported these issues in the Beta surveys, random empty notes requiring me to restart.. Random duplicated notes that I can't delete (Move to trash is greyed out until a restart).  Notes changing titles, the unintuitive UI changes (I can't click on the Notebook name anymore to move a note, there's a new button next to it.. Moving the Notebook & Tags to opposite ends of the notes), it's just annoying... Evernote is no longer "fun to use"

 

I won't cancel my account, but I won't go back to v10 until I'm forced or I see some real improvement in the system.  I'm rolling back to 7.14_458244 (Thank you homebrew)

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On 10/12/2020 at 8:35 PM, TK0047 said:

- Not being able to select more than 50 notes at a time

It may be useful for those who wish, to know that the limit of selecting 50 notes can be  changed to, as I recall ,1,000 notes by editing

C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Evernote\config.json

amend the line which reads

    "multiSelectionLimit": 50,

I would agree with the inevitable clamour which will say that this shouldn't be necessary. Perhaps it won't be when the promised ability to change 'Options' arrives. It is a workaround for those that want to try it out.

 

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Just a very early take on Notion as an EN replacement--with what appears a decent Import from Evernote feature: Looks very, very strong. 

I just had my EN renewal in September (bad timing!), but there's no way I'm staying with them after they basically imploded and showed they are not concerned about long-time, paying users. 

Note to EN staff: If you're good you don't really want to be the last one there to turn off the lights! Just a thought!

Be well and stay safe!

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5 hours ago, MarcSant said:

I got another answer from Tech Support:

 

"

Jeffrey B. (Evernote Help and Learning)

Oct 13, 2020, 19:41 PDT

Hello Marcelo,

Thank you for your reply.

We understand your frustration regarding these missing features. We haven’t yet built this feature into the new Evernote app. These features are on our to-do list and we plan on building it soon.

We thank you for your understanding and patience.

Let me know if there is anything else you need. We are here to help.

Regards,

Jeffrey B.
Customer Support Representative

 

Marcelo Santos

Oct 13, 2020, 4:47 PDT

“You can still use the Legacy version of Evernote in the future. However, we recommend that you update to and use the newest version of Evernote to get the latest features and ensure that you have the most recent bug fixes, security fixes, and performance improvements.”

How I can use the newest version since it lack’s core features that I use as daily basis?

- There is no way to change the color of lateral toolbar from Dark.

- There is no way to put shortcuts list in the top of screen. It will not move anymore

- There are only FIVE Fonts. For me that store computer code in the notes, it is A TERRIBLE choice

- I can't change the Interface Language. I like to use English Interface, since I can have a lot of info in foruns instead to get translated the Brazilian version to English one.

- I can't create a Notebook inside the Notebook stack as I always did. You need to first create the Notebook, then move it to stack

- I can't grab a screen capture anymore

- I can't Paste text directly to Evernote note (CTRL+shitf+V) anymore

- I can't import a folder anymore

- I can't un-stack a Notebook from a stack using right click mouse. I need to drag an drop them.

- I can't narrow a search inside a specific Notebook or Notebook Stack

The newest version have this features? If yes, please show me. If not, I stick with legacy version until my migration plan is in course. After that, I will cease to use Evernote and hope you all good luck with this sinking ship.

Att,

-----

Marcelo Santos"

So, honestly, I give up. I don't know all you, but this time is enough for me.

 

 

 

That's just a dreadful, copy-paste, soulless response. And it does them no favours.

 

 

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Ok... after years of using Evernote and most of that time as a paid member I am seriously considering switching to another product. Any suggestions as to what other products to check out? 

 

If Evernote is reading this, here are a quick list of a few of my concerns:

-No presentation mode (i used this for teaching regularly)

-No importing fonts (fonts have been a way I created organization and association with ideas)

-No way of creating a default format for all new notes (font, font size, color, etc...)

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10 minutes ago, agsteele said:

How do you find Joplin as an alternative to EN? I found the use of Markdown to be a significant hindrance for me.

I've only been using Joplin for about thirty minutes, so my exploration is still in the early stages. 

I'm not a fan of markdown either. You can turn markdown off and use the WYSIWYG editor, which is more like Evernote. But when you turn Joplin's markdown editor off, you see this warning: "This is an experimental WYSIWYG editor for evaluation only. Please do not use with important notes as you may lose some data! See the introduction post for more information. TO SWITCH TO THE MARKDOWN EDITOR PLEASE PRESS "Code View"."

Joplin has many features I need, but, unlike the Android version of Evernote, Joplin doesn't give you the ability to add a note from the notification bar. 

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33 minutes ago, Andryel Voigt said:

Using EN Legacy, no way to use this new version...

That's cool   
I reverted back to the previous version    
Users should avoid these initial releases if they're not willing to test for issues
I'll check back periodically to see if the issues are resolved

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47 minutes ago, agsteele said:

How do you find Joplin as an alternative to EN? I found the use of Markdown to be a significant hindrance for me.

There's one drawback I've noticed with Joplin. All the data is stored on your local device, be it a PC or phone. 

If you have a large notes database it's going to take up a large amount of storage. 

I was hoping to try Joplin on my Chromebook, but my data file is over 14 GB, which eats into my Chromebook's storage. 

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On 10/7/2020 at 9:45 AM, HeBoIz said:

Anybody any clue what is meant with listing "ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software" as no longer supported feature?

a) former seperate / special "ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software"
or
b) general "ScanSnap software" (meanwhile updated and replacing the former Evernote Edition)

The special EN version of ScanSnap was "killed" off a while ago. Fujitsu was provided the steps to upgrade from the EN version to iX500 version (http://scansnap.fujitsu.com/global/evernote/index.html) I haven't done that yet... But I just use mine as a scanner, not connected to EN. (Got mine when EN closed down the store - EN offered employees a can't-pass-it-up discount) (plus, I think mine is dying - when scanning double-sided, I get a massive vertical black bar - cleaning did nothing)

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1 hour ago, dcon said:

Hey, I know that one! I worked there (2012/2013) before moving to Evernote. ("moving" == "laid off")

Now that is cool!  I still have the program and last year I ran it in combability mode and it worked!  Man I loved that program. 

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7 hours ago, avevers said:

That's just a dreadful, copy-paste, soulless response. And it does them no favours.

If you ever worked customer support, you would know that in times like this you better do not put too much soul into responses.

You would run out of soulfulness before your lunch break. Better grab your little book of rules, try to understand what this customer wants or needs, be happy about those you can help, and send some nicely phrased blocks of text to all the others.

If you read Marcelo Santos support ticket yourself, what would you have answered ?

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It's weird being so (constructively) critical and so heavily discussing EN alternatives on EN's own forum, but I fear the quality of conversation over on Facebook. This disaster (yeah, that's what it is to me - 12+ years with a massive, varied range of content ploughed into this product) has to be examined somewhere.

 

This issue is simply too significant to ignore or stay silent on. I'm a many-a-year read-only lurker on the forums but not now, not with this!

 

With a growing acceptance of the legacy (as they describe it) 6.5 being phased out in the "future", the time to be looking for alternatives is, unfortunately, now. Wow. I hoped I'd never have to jump ship.

 

I remember clear as day Phil Libin saying on those podcasts years ago (remember those?) "we're a 100 year company". And "the data is yours. We don't lock it down. If you want to take it elsewhere you can." I felt reassured at the time, knowing how much I relied on it. Knowing what a pain in the arse it was, moving thousands of notes over from Lotus Notes, hoping I'd never have to do that again.This release has shattered that reassurance. Users new to EN might know no different, but this is like a new version 1. Just getting started.

 

So, so far, with my limited time, Nimbus is doing it for me. It has a feel of Notion about it, but seems a little more... mature. It seems to be a competitor to Notion more than EN, but there's a blurring of the lines in modern note taking apps.

I'd love some reassurance about Nimbus - how new they are, roadmaps, vision for the future etc., but they're ticking some boxes right now:

 

- Offline

- Sync

- Android app

- Better Android editor than EN

- Global tags

- (lovely) dynamic table of contents within the note

 

Tons more to research. Not tried the desktop yet (Windows 10). I suspect search is inferior to EN6.5. And, on Android at least, markdown only (little font support).

 

I've yet to check out Obsidian. I may never need to from what I'm seeing with Nimbus.

 

 

Maybe we could ask, nicely, if the EN forum admins could create a new forum here called "Evernote Alternatives"...

Semi-rant over. I feel better now. Thanks for reading.

 

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