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It's unbelievable how such a good product can turn into such a bad thing that it induces a customer from years of using the product and the platform to start a process of mass migration of their data

I`ve just installed the new v. 10 and I just couldn't believe my eyes: oh, no, they kept most of the horrible beta version they realeased a few weeks ago! I would't call it an upgrade. I see it a

I gave up trying v.10 and am back to previous v. 6.25.1.9091 (last stable version). I use Evernote for work, not for leisure. The poor design and missing features affect my workflow. I just

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Hi @Shane D. - phew.  Thanks - had a brief moment there where I thought a bad year was going to get much worse! 

When you get time,  can someone address my other questions about the new app though please?  I can install it and test things out,  but you'll save me some time if I know more about what to expect...

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This issue relates to the brandnew article "What's new in Evernote for Windows 10.0.10 – Evernote Help & Learning" (https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360047889234, 2020-10-07)

not quite clear for me is which shortcuts, that may be used in our workflows, are no longer supported or just not implemented yet.


There are quite a lot of keyboard shortcuts listed in the actual article "Keyboard shortcuts in Evernote for Windows (https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/209004807), that are listed as "Not available" in the new version:

This is (state of 2020-10-07):

  • all former global keyboard shorcuts (system-wide when working in any application - provided Evernote is running)
  • Application-wide keyboard shorcuts
    • Jump to notebook - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + N
    • Print Preview - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + P
    • Switch to another user - Older versions: Ctrl + Alt + A
    • Show/Hide Note List - Older versions: F11
    • Show/Hide Note View - Older versions: Ctrl + F11
    • Show/Hide Tags View - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + T
    • Quick Search - Older versions: Ctrl + Q
    • Snippet View - Older versions: Ctrl + F5
    • Card View - Older versions: Ctrl + F6
    • Top List View - Older versions: Ctrl + F7
    • Side List View - Older versions: Ctrl + F8
    • Thumbnail View - Older versions: Ctrl + F9
    • Search notebook - Older versions: Shift + Alt + N
    • Search Tags - Older versions: Shift + Alt +N
    • Show Search Explanation - Older versions: Ctrl + F10
    • Close separate windows / Minimize main window to tray - Older versions: Alt + F4
    • Sync - Older versions: F9
    • Online Help - Older versions: F1
    • Cycle through note list views (Snippet, Card, Top List, Side List, Thumbnail) - Older versions: F5
  • Note Editor keyboard shorcuts
    • Search Notes - Older versions: F6
    • Reset Search - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + A
    • Check Spelling - Older versions: F7
    • Open in a New Window - Older versions: Ctrl + Enter
    • Present - Older versions: Ctrl + Alt + Enter
    • Present on Another Screen - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + Enter
    • Tag - Older versions: Ctrl + Alt + T
    • Email note - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + E
    • Font - Older versions: Ctrl + D
    • Insert Checkbox - Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + C
    • Remove Formatting- Older versions: Ctrl + Shift + Space
  • Note List keyboard shorcuts
    • Search Notebooks - Older versions: Alt + F1
    • Search Tags - Older versions: Alt + F2
    • Search Saved Searches - Older versions: Alt + F3
    • Go to the first note in list - Older versions: Home
    • Go to the last note in list - Older versions: End
    • Open the selected note in a separate window - Older versions: Ctrl + Enter
  • Navigation menu keyboard shorcuts
    • Move to the previous item in the section (notebooks, tags, ...) - Older versions: Up arrow
    • Move to the next item in the section (notebooks, tags, ...) - Older versions: Down arrow
    • View the list of sub-items under the selected item (if applicable) - Older versions: Right arrow
    • Collapse the list of sub-items under the selected item (if applicable) - Older versions: Left arrow
    • Delete selected item - Older versions: Delete
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Anybody any clue what is meant with listing "ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software" as no longer supported feature?

a) former seperate / special "ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software"
or
b) general "ScanSnap software" (meanwhile updated and replacing the former Evernote Edition)

I wouldn't be delighted to have problems with using my Fujitsu iX500 (non-Evernote Edition ) after updating to Windows-App, Version 10.0.10...

 

 

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6 minutes ago, HeBoIz said:

I wouldn't be delighted to have problems with using my Fujitsu iX500 (non-Evernote Edition )

Hmmn.  Missed that earlier.  Guess if you're saving scans directly to Evernote that might be a problem - although if Evernote can still accept scans from Canon / Epson etc,  why would Fujitsu be incompatible.  Maybe just means they won't support the older Evernote version...

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1 hour ago, HeBoIz said:

not quite clear for me is which shortcuts, that may be used in our workflows, are no longer supported or just not implemented yet.

Thanks for the well-organized list! I have this same question. Other thoughts:

  • I note in particular that all global shortcuts are gone. Among other things, this means you can no longer start a new note from outside Evernote!
  • Also, does the loss of the shortcut to open a note in a new window (Strg + Enter = Ctrl+Enter on English keyboards) mean that it's no longer possible to actually open a note in a separate window?

These are absurdities. Why should having the new editor remove these system-level functions?

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24 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Maybe just means they won't support the older Evernote version...

Thats what I guess. I shortly read that support for the former special Evernote Edition has been given up. Newer firmware is just Fujitsu ScanSnap software „pure“ - including options for direct scans to Evernote. This should stay compatible...

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16 minutes ago, s2sailor said:

@Shane D. can you provide a ballpark time frame for how long the Windows and Mac legacy versions will still be supported?

FYI - for anyone wanting to make sure they keep a copy of the 'legacy' version for re-installation - jump to the forums here and download 6.25.1.9091 - save a copy to your computer/cloud/etc., just in case it disappears from the forums!

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3 minutes ago, ej8899 said:

FYI - for anyone wanting to make sure they keep a copy of the 'legacy' version for re-installation - jump to the forums here and download 6.25.1.9091 - save a copy to your computer/cloud/etc., just in case it disappears from the forums!

... and as additional fast-info: As mentioned by Shane the legacy version of the actual/old version Evernote_6.25.2.9198 is to find and to download via the Evernote article "Install an older version of Evernote" on https://help.evernote.com/hc/en-us/articles/360052560314

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Without the Import Folders and the Outlook App, I am out on any new version.   These are critical functions for me and without them, 75% of the reason I love Evernote are gone.  Ill be staying with version 6 until these missing critical features are incorporated.  

 

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6 hours ago, Shane D. said:

@gazumped Yes, you can still use an older version.

Please see this resource:
https://help.evernote.com/hc/articles/360052560314

@Shane D.: First of all, I hope they gave you last week off to get ready for this! :)

Second, can you please clarify something WRT the "legacy" program = v. 6.25.1.9198: is it possible to download and install the new version alongside an existing v. 6.25 installation? Or does the new version (v. 10, I take it) overwrite/delete an installed v. 6.25, making it necessary to then download and install the "legacy" v. 6.25.1.1998? And in either case, will the legacy version and the new version both access the same on-disk Evernote database, or does the new version create a different database? Full details, please! TIA.

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Hey all, 

Here to report that ScanSnap / IX500 functionality in the new version is not supported.

When scanning into Evernote a new "Imported Notebook" will be created for each document.

This is breaks a critical feature for me / my business so I will be sticking to the Legacy version until then.

Aesthetically it looks beautiful  - wish I could hit the delete key to delete notebooks/notes though.

 

@Dave-in-Decatur I have both the legacy and the new version running side by side right now and it seems fine.

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2 hours ago, PatWestTexas said:

Without the Import Folders and the Outlook App, I am out on any new version.   These are critical functions for me and without them, 75% of the reason I love Evernote are gone.  Ill be staying with version 6 until these missing critical features are incorporated.  

 

Ouch.  I use both too.  Hadn't seen that Import Folders were excluded but I use that too.  Seems like you can run legacy and new versions side by side from the above,  which may be a short(ish) term work-around;  also as a subscriber you can still forward emails to your account email address,  so the lack of an Outlook Clipper isn't a necessarily a total loss.

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1 hour ago, agsteele said:

It is quite possible to have the older version of Evernote (6.25) running at the same time as the new release. This is exactly what I have.  This allows me to use the new version whilst still providing the ScanSnap scanning that I have used for years and Import folders.  I have disk space and processor power available so running both versions isn't a big deal for me. If I had to choose one version or the other then I'd be sticking with 6.25 for now. As it is I can explore both worlds.

Thank you for this report and advice... (as well regarding the ScanSnap Software) 😉

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23 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

IAC I presume it would be a bad idea to have the same note open in both versions at the same time.

Good guess I would say, two clients and all ....   ;)

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On 10/7/2020 at 11:03 AM, Shane D. said:

@gazumped Yes, you can still use an older version.

Please see this resource:
https://help.evernote.com/hc/articles/360052560314

@Shane D., I just noticed this casual by-the-way statement in the What's New post: "make sure you are on Windows 10, as the new Evernote app does not support older versions of Windows." Is that true across the board? Not saying it's a bad idea, just relaxing, actually, since it would mean that I can't "upgrade" anyway till I get a new Win10 computer. :)

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1 minute ago, Shane D. said:

@Dave-in-Decatur 

Yes, we only support the new version of Evernote for Windows 10. If you're on an older version of Windows then the older version of Evernote is the only supported version currently available.

Thanks for the info! That and any other system requirements really need to be at the top of a post somewhere, rather than being buried. Isn't that basic Best Practices?

But yes, relaxing a bit since (please forgive me, nothing personal) this particular failure is literally not an option for me. :D

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I'm enjoying the new version so far, but I was surprised, during install, with the warning that local notebooks were no longer supported. I haven't had many local notebooks in Win10, but I was glad to see that EN came up with a solution for a backup, even it it was an import into a note in the new version. I was seeing the option to "Verify local notebooks" in the tools section on the menu, even after I had concluded the import. I wanted a function that would make it easier to delete those no longer supported (and already imported) local notebooks. EN support told me to delete 'databases' folder. So I did, but I wanted to go further and I totally uninstalled the new version, then proceeded with a complete removal of EN directory and folders, and tried a fresh install once again.

Now, the section regarding 'local notebooks' in 'Tools' is not longer there (which is great, since I've already imported everything that matters and deleted everything), and the new version seems to be very fast and reliable. I particularly liked the possibility to work offline with auto sync when connected, but I miss the sync button (it was kind of a habit to constantly click in the sync button).

I would highly recommend a total removal of old Evernote, prior to installing the new v.10, after you are sure that everything is synced.

All the best,
ever_coffee

 

 

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I was a beta test user and expressed my disappointment many times about it. Sorry folks. I am running both versions. What I like about the new version is I can paste from Word better. And the search is better. But I miss the tag organization and the Send a Copy by E-mail. Even though I have 6.25 installed, I can't seem to get the Outlook web clipper to work. But maybe I need to reinstall it.

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9 hours ago, Shane D. said:

Yes, we only support the new version of Evernote for Windows 10. If you're on an older version of Windows then the older version of Evernote is the only supported version currently available.

Shane, it'd be nice if your installer checked to see if the user was running Windows 10 BEFORE it blew away the existing Evenote installation.  I'm on Windows 7 32-bit, and your installer deleted my entire Evernote installation AND THEN decided it couldn't install Evernote 10 (giving only a cryptic message that no appropriate file-association was set), leaving me with NO EVERNOTE AT ALL. Fortunately, I'd set a Windows restore point before doing the install, but sheesh.

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Oh no! I literally just paid for a year of membership yesterday solely because it's the only notes app I know of with a global "New note" hotkey and now they have removed that feature. What are the odds 😭 Oh well I guess I can just use the old version for now and if they stop supporting it eventually I will just have to end my membership then. 

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These are all important issues. There are now forums related specifically to v. 10 for Windows: https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/720-evernote-for-windows-issues-versions-100-and-above/https://discussion.evernote.com/forums/forum/731-evernote-for-windows-requests-versions-100-and-above/. Many of these issues are listed and discussed there, so it might be more effective to proceed there.

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Good list.  There are threads in which others list function important to them.  The compilation would be far more extensive that what was included with EN's release blog.  But EN says some of the stuff is just around the corner.  Not sure which corner(s) nor when though..

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I had a quick look at Twitter earlier and guess what @EvernoteHelps was saying a couple of days ago... 

These are (apparently) the next features planned for EN10 - they sound strangely familiar... 

> App preferences
> Export options
> Taskbar clipping
> Audio note recording & playback
> Quick switcher (Cmd+J)
> Published notebooks (Evernote Business)

And the Backup help page reckons the way to backup your EN10 is to export (and download) a complete notebook. 

My database currently runs to 20GB - I think I'll need a faster connection...

 

 

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I, too, do not like Evernote 10. Not because I do not like the looks, but the first thing I tried to do was export notes. Guess what? There is a limit of 50 notes. So much for me exporting my Personal Journal of 241 notes. I went back to 6.25. IF they fix this, and from what I read, many other things, I will try 10, again.

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59 minutes ago, Bryn26 said:

I agree that it's time to start looking at alternative options to Evernote. The Evernote management is utterly clueless and if they're happy to release a beta release to the public that is objectively worse than the previous version, then there is no reason to hold out confidence and remain with this product.

Looking through the Help centre,  there are several updates dealing with the new version - so at least someone was thinking about users before the release.  I got the "backup by export and download" (see above) information from there.  I think Ian Small has been trying to inform (prepare?) us for a stripped-down launch by stressing that once the new build is complete,  there's a sound base onto which they can quickly add new features. 

I think the launch was massively badly handled and users are reacting badly because none of us know what is happening and how to deal with this.  Evernote are now in the classic backed up state of having so much input they can't react to any of it in a meaningful way,  but it would be good if they could let us know on what timescale they're working.  Will we see the features that are still being carried over from the old app reinstated in EN10 before the end of this year?  And WHAT (besides offline storage) is officially being retired forever?

I get that for usage and budget reasons it would be good to cut down on their bandwidth so users don't sync GB-level databases (guilty!) on a regular basis - but if regular users start downloading notebooks for backup purposes,  seems to me that will tie up their servers quite nicely,  feeding the streams.

I'm not looking to move away from Evernote - yet - but they're testing my patience.  Not least because when they ***** up,  my volunteer forum support service (i.e. me) gets buried by hundreds of complaint posts. 

The other helpers are doing a sterling job fighting fires and trying to keep folks informed,  but if any new voices want to chime in and point folks in the direction of help (or escape,  if that's their choice) then please feel free!!

EDIT: apologies for my inadvertent use of the name of the woodworking accessory with helical embellishment...

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16 horas atrás, notetakeingguy disse:

I was a beta test user and expressed my disappointment many times about it. Sorry folks. I am running both versions. What I like about the new version is I can paste from Word better. And the search is better. But I miss the tag organization and the Send a Copy by E-mail. Even though I have 6.25 installed, I can't seem to get the Outlook web clipper to work. But maybe I need to reinstall it.

I understand you test BETA versions since you're a beta tester user. But we all here are NOT BETA USERS. And, I felt that we are treated like this way.

"stick it down in their throats and let see whats happen"

Really man, I use Evernote more than 15 years. And this is the most FRUSTATING version ever since. 

I can't believe that there is no person in the support staff, no people that has not take ONE single quote about the all features have been removed in one single release. 

Please, make the product BETTER not destroy it.

If single Evernote Staff member read this, please listen to the majority of paid users here, and think: is there nothing wrong?

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Agora, DTLow disse:

You might be happier using the legacy version

Yeah, at least, there is a chance to continue to using this version, util I migrate my notes to another place.

But, legacy version lacks native 64 bit versions, that has better deal with huge text notes (source code).

I'm thinking very serious to abandon Evernote. I'm looking into Notion and it is a really good alternative.

Let's see what happens.

 

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18 minutes ago, gazumped said:

I think Ian Small has been trying to inform (prepare?) us for a stripped-down launch by stressing that once the new build is complete,  there's a sound base onto which they can quickly add new features. 

@gazumped I admire and appreciate your positive view, but here I respectfully disagree.  Evernote could have informed us, by well, informing us.  They were very transparent about taking the time out needed to replumb the clients and backend.  They should have been equally transparent about what features these new versions were leaving out and whether temporary or permanent, and this information should have been made available to users before they did the "upgrade."  It is great they are allowing the legacy version to be used in parallel.  It would be helpful to have an estimate on how long the legacy app will still function.

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42 minutes ago, gazumped said:

EDIT: apologies for my inadvertent use of the name of the woodworking accessory with helical embellishment...

Straight of phillips for me

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6 minutos atrás, s2sailor disse:

@gazumped I admire and appreciate your positive view, but here I respectfully disagree.  Evernote could have informed us, by well, informing us.  They were very transparent about taking the time out needed to replumb the clients and backend.  They should have been equally transparent about what features these new versions were leaving out and whether temporary or permanent, and this information should have been made available to users before they did the "upgrade."  It is great they are allowing the legacy version to be used in parallel.  It would be helpful to have an estimate on how long the legacy app will still function.

Totally agree. Acting like you mentioned denotes, at least for me, that they are not giving a ***** for us, I can almost hear the planning team saying, "Let them scream" that the support team can handle the pressure. 

I'm sorry for those who still think this is normal, but, frankly, this is not the way to work. This is not how you do an implementation with the removal of so many basic features of the product.

For me this was totally amateurish. It is not possible that nobody has questioned this, I refuse to believe.

 

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Em 08/10/2020 at 14:25, Dave-in-Decatur disse:

@wolfonta and @agsteele, thanks for the info about running both versions side by side. Do you know if they both access the same DB? IAC I presume it would be a bad idea to have the same note open in both versions at the same time.

The new version appears to be just a front side web client. There is no DB access in your local storage. I can confirm this since I using both new and old version side by side. Well, to be honest, I deleted this 10 ***** version. Or caothic version, or beta version, for me all this names are the same.

I'm planning to abandon Evernote if they will not support the legacy or the older versions anymore. Well, to be honest, after this disastrous new version, I'm thinking about leaving for good. Whether the old version is supported or not.

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1 hour ago, gazumped said:

And WHAT (besides offline storage) is officially being retired forever?

Is it a settled fact that the full offline mode (ie, access to the full database without internet connection) is gone for good? I couldn't find any official statements in any direction.

Isn't this a "feature" nearly everyone needs, not just "power users"? Spoils every bussiness trip by plane or outside (good) wifi coverage ... (and downloading every note one may need beforehand seems a bit tedious, if not impossible)

Best regards and thanks in advance for any related information.

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15 minutes ago, tommy_ev said:

Is it a settled fact that the full offline mode (ie, access to the full database without internet connection) is gone for good? I couldn't find any official statements in any direction.

I don't think so.  I've seen somewhere, prior to the launch, that offline access was being worked on.  I haven't downloaded the new version so can't directly comment on what it has now.  Local notebooks, which are offline and also not sync'd to the server, do appear to be gone.

My guess is that offline access will be implemented similar to how it is done with the mobile clients where you select the notebooks that you want offline access to and it downloads only those.  I think that is a premium feature today on mobile.  I wouldn't be surprised if they take the same approach for these new desktop clients.

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The What's new in Evernote for Windows web page  has the following statements:

What features are no longer supported in the new app?

This is not an exhaustive list of features, but the most notable include:

  • Local notebooks
  • Presentation mode
  • Context
  • ScanSnap Evernote Edition firmware and software
  • Outlook clipper

Can I use the new Evernote app offline?

Yes. To use Evernote offline, ensure you are signed in to the app before disconnecting from the internet.

 

I don't think there is going to be an easily identifiable local data base but something more like local caching. People need to ensure everything is fully downloaded by using the app for some time and then switch off the internet and see what happens. If it does not work offline in the way you expect it needs to be reported to Evernote because they clearly think it should work.

 

See also the info below posted by @gbarry in the mac forum of how the sync process works:

Searching offline should also be working and available. At initial install, we load up the note meta data first, which lets you quickly orient to what is available in the account, builds the lists, etc. The note content syncs in the background, and depending on the size of your account, may take some time to do this. If you click into any note or search for a note that is not synced yet, we will opportunistically load that up ahead of what is already syncing.

That initial load of meta data can also make it look like the notes are unavailable if you go offline during this initial sync. I'd be interested if you're still running into an offline issue after the notes have loaded. Working offline is an important part of the experience.

 

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Conflicting statements on this.  I think saw in some thread that disconnected access is supposed to be working now.  But it may take a while for the DB to sync so not clear as to how long before a search would be "accurate".     

EDIT: post above mine posted at same time, there's the post I was referring to.

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15 minutes ago, Mike P said:

That initial load of meta data can also make it look like the notes are unavailable if you go offline during this initial sync. I'd be interested if you're still running into an offline issue after the notes have loaded. Working offline is an important part of the experience.

I really question any usable functionality of Evernote while offline at present.   Maybe if you're creating a note,    but searching and using tags and saved searches was useless for me. evernote had 2 days to build it's cache.

Definitely if we could specify notebooks to be available offline like on mobile, or even if we new a notebook would cache the latest 100 notes (as example number) we would be in a much better position than currently where we know nothing specific and offline is totally hit or miss.

 

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I've just gone offline to see what it's like. I had no issues with search, saved searches, tags (if selected from the tag sidebar) adding tags to notes etc etc.

I did have issues with some attachments not being loaded and the absence of the filter menu (which is clearly by design  as a message comes up over the greyed out filter icon). So it clearly is not working as I would expect but I'm not having quite the same issues. I hope the attachments issue is a bug. I'm not sure why the filter menu has been deemed to be uneccessary in offline mode.

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17 minutes ago, Mike P said:

I've just gone offline to see what it's like. I had no issues with search, saved searches, tags (if selected from the tag sidebar) adding tags to notes etc etc.

 

I'm going to have to do a new video to update from my last one about 'offline mode' ... I just tried this again - confirmed my v10 Evernote folder is rolling in at 36GB and that is pretty much the same as the Legacy edition.     I pulled the plug on my hardwire connection and can confirm throughout a random selection of notes from recent through to a couple of years old all loaded up just fine.  I was still getting broken thumbnails in my snippet view, but that's minor - the note contents (including attachments) appeared to be working.

Maybe 2 days wasn't enough for Evernote to download everything in my  36gb database. 

 

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my two major issues:

  1. search in notebooks shared by others to yourself doesn‘t work anymore. Yes, you‘re reading correctly: search and sharing are two core feature of Evernote - support confirmed it‘s a known issue (iOS only)
  2. Tag filter is gone. Tags are the core of Evernote - now, we only have suggestions in the search dialog - that‘s not the same! (the current „Tag filter“ shows ALL tags Evernote knows, even those not assigned to any note listed in the notes view - this is not a filter)

So, Search, Sharing, Tags - the core of Evernote - stopped working - while I continue to pay my Premium subscription...

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12 minutos atrás, ej8899 disse:

I'm going to have to do a new video to update from my last one about 'offline mode' ... I just tried this again - confirmed my v10 Evernote folder is rolling in at 36GB and that is pretty much the same as the Legacy edition.     I pulled the plug on my hardwire connection and can confirm throughout a random selection of notes from recent through to a couple of years old all loaded up just fine.  I was still getting broken thumbnails in my snippet view, but that's minor - the note contents (including attachments) appeared to be working.

Maybe 2 days wasn't enough for Evernote to download everything in my  36gb database. 

 

Good to know. So, If you already have 36Gb of data from Legacy version, you will need to download again 36Gb of data, but, this time without any indication or warnig that a Sync is taking place....NICE!

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I have similar complaints about the "New Evernote for Mac". No Tag filter, Sync doesn't work unless you quit and restart either the desktop or mobile version or both.

An a fundamental issue that I rely on for organization, I no longer know how many notes I have, as note count isn't available?! 

I realize that your are able to use an "enterprise " version of Evernote side by side with the "new and shiny "improved version" but why should I need to change my workflow for a few bells and whistles, many of which seem to be a step backwards. Long long time EN user, frustrated already with the update. 😡

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9 minutes ago, Rockin1 said:

I realize that your are able to use an "enterprise " version of Evernote side by side with the "new and shiny "improved version" but why should I need to change my workflow

oooo  Shiny,    -   gotta have that
Nope, I'm sticking with the legacy version; no complaints

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I'm currently testing OneNote (full v.) -> Editor and sync works better than fine on all my platforms, only maybe some small UX complaints on mobile. There are scan tools and Web-Clipper from MS. I can also protect selected content https://www.groovypost.com/howto/password-encrypt-microsoft-onenote-notebook-section/

Next week I plan to try migration https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote

However, maybe we can do more, for example like all users of EvN will stop paying subscription at once or contact investors or maybe consider class action lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer, but maybe there is a proper way out? Or EvN just gone crazy... and we should abandon the ship ASAP? As long as we can migrate local notes...

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On 10/10/2020 at 4:21 PM, dbvirago said:

I could probably be happy with the legacy version indefinitely...They could, at any time, change the syncing so that it no longer functions with the legacy apps. 

I'm less ambitious; my objective is to be happy for the immediate future   
I estimate/hope1-2 years with the legacy version

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On 10/8/2020 at 6:14 PM, agsteele said:

Those of us who've been part of the Beta testing have been speaking up for a number of the functions that have been missed in this release. Notably we pressed for the Import Folders (since this also impacts on the scanning options as well), the ability to use personal shortcuts (perhaps using some form of local settings/options), a sync button (which gives a reassuring function although since the new sync is supposed to be instant it shouldn't be necessary but sometimes is), local folders, plus many other more individual use cases that still seemed to be important.

The ScanSnap scanning requirement that is mentioned will only work using the ScanSnap Home software (not the the older ScanSnap Manager) but this is apparently (and as noted above) not working well and requires firmware upgrades for the old ScanSnap for Evernote scanners.

It is quite possible to have the older version of Evernote (6.25) running at the same time as the new release. This is exactly what I have.  This allows me to use the new version whilst still providing the ScanSnap scanning that I have used for years and Import folders.  I have disk space and processor power available so running both versions isn't a big deal for me. If I had to choose one version or the other then I'd be sticking with 6.25 for now. As it is I can explore both worlds.

 

How did you keep the older version of Evernote (6.25)?  When I installed the version 10, 6.25 is removed.

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4 minutes ago, TonyLim said:

How did you keep the older version of Evernote (6.25)?  When I installed the version 10, 6.25 is removed.

Download the legacy version from here
They renamed it to Evernote Legacy so it doesn't conflict with the official version

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Thanks.  Got both of them installed.

OMG, the version 10 looks exactly like the web version.  If the functionalities are the same, why do I need the version 10.  The Shortcut bar is gone.  Need to go back to the Legacy version for now.

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8 hours ago, MarcSant said:

Yeah, at least, there is a chance to continue to using this version, util I migrate my notes to another place.

But, legacy version lacks native 64 bit versions, that has better deal with huge text notes (source code).

I'm thinking very serious to abandon Evernote. I'm looking into Notion and it is a really good alternative.

Let's see what happens.

 

I'm not ready to abandon Evernote, but even on the list of what's coming next to Evernote 10, I don't see keyboard shortcuts. I create a new notes and paste into notes all the time in Evernote 6.

I'm looking at Notion, just to be safe, in case Evernote 10 doesn't become complete. Notion's different and far from perfect. (For instance, the Android version of Notion doesn't have the ability to quickly create a note from the notification bar.) 

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3 hours ago, Kolmir said:

I'm currently testing OneNote (full v.) -> Editor and sync works better than fine on all my platforms, only maybe some small UX complaints on mobile. There are scan tools and Web-Clipper from MS. I can also protect selected content https://www.groovypost.com/howto/password-encrypt-microsoft-onenote-notebook-section/

Next week I plan to try migration https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote

However, maybe we can do more, for example like all users of EvN will stop paying subscription at once or contact investors or maybe consider class action lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer, but maybe there is a proper way out? Or EvN just gone crazy... and we should abandon the ship ASAP? As long as we can migrate local notes...

I am also a user of MS OneNote (collaborative work with some specific institutions).

As far as I know, ON notebooks are stored on the cloud (OneDrive), notes are not local - just the same problem as EN v.10.

Syncing is realiable, web-clipper for Chrome and the android widget work fine. You're right, the software is well written and stable.

ON looks fancy (lots of color and icons, the design is very nice) but is not conceived to manage thousands of notes. It simply lacks the tools, I don`t mean that ON is technically unable to save thousands of notes.

It works  well for small-to-medium databases, but - in my humble opinion - is not a substitute for heavy users of Evernote with large databases.

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19 hours ago, MarcSant said:

It's really sad. I started my migration plan. And I believe, I'm not alone on this.

 

no, you are note alone...what are you planning to migrate to?

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8 hours ago, mi_cha said:

I am also a user of MS OneNote (collaborative work with some specific institutions).

As far as I know, ON notebooks are stored on the cloud (OneDrive), notes are not local - just the same problem as EN v.10.

Syncing is realiable, web-clipper for Chrome and the android widget work fine. You're right, the software is well written and stable.

ON looks fancy (lots of color and icons, the design is very nice) but is not conceived to manage thousands of notes. It simply lacks the tools, I don`t mean that ON is technically unable to save thousands of notes.

It works  well for small-to-medium databases, but - in my humble opinion - is not a substitute for heavy users of Evernote with large databases.

I use ON quite heavily for business and you can handle a lot of notes and the search is pretty decent these days, I do agree about the lack of tools to manage thousands of notes though. If ON had the tagging and search functionality as EN it would be fantastic, I am not a fan of the low level tagging in ON.

Regarding the sync, on my machines ON stores the notebooks in full in the OneDrive folder so I can access them fully offline, as opposed to other files that are 'available on demand' in OneDrive.

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So glad that I found this thread. 'Upgrading' to the new version is no longer an option. Several years ago EN 'improved' their product by removing several functions that I used regularly as well as did not have a working extension for Firefox. I gave in & started using Chrome and continued to request/complain about the missing functions. Some of them were reinstituted and I stopped my search for an alternative. 

With this change I must find an alternative that can handle a rather large database. Please post your recommendations!

 

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OneNote have a great tool to batch import your notes. For me, is most close to Evernote that I know. The Mobile app is really good, and the web capture extension is better than Evernote. But, it's lacks some good features that Evernote have (or at least, had).

Notion, is another great alternative, but, there is no offline storage. But, looking great with a tons of features that I asked among the years and have them today. It also have an import tool than can import everything that you have just in one click. 

This is program that I'm testing right now, until Evernote Legacy is supported. 

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1 hora atrás, toao disse:

no, you are note alone...what are you planning to migrate to?

I'm testing Notion: another great alternative, but, there is no offline storage. But, looking great with a tons of features that I asked among the years and have them today. It also have an import tool than can import everything that you have just in one click. 

This is program that I'm testing right now, until Evernote Legacy is supported. 

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10 horas atrás, Coffee First Thing disse:

I'm not ready to abandon Evernote, but even on the list of what's coming next to Evernote 10, I don't see keyboard shortcuts. I create a new notes and paste into notes all the time in Evernote 6.

I'm looking at Notion, just to be safe, in case Evernote 10 doesn't become complete. Notion's different and far from perfect. (For instance, the Android version of Notion doesn't have the ability to quickly create a note from the notification bar.) 

Yes, I agree. But, que main question here is: WHEN. When we will have the core features that we need, and for long time the Legacy version will be supported. 

And, the more important question: is it really worth continuing to be a paying "BETA TESTER"?

Because that is what we are being now. We are paying to test a BETA version.

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14 horas atrás, Kolmir disse:

I'm currently testing OneNote (full v.) -> Editor and sync works better than fine on all my platforms, only maybe some small UX complaints on mobile. There are scan tools and Web-Clipper from MS. I can also protect selected content https://www.groovypost.com/howto/password-encrypt-microsoft-onenote-notebook-section/

Next week I plan to try migration https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote

However, maybe we can do more, for example like all users of EvN will stop paying subscription at once or contact investors or maybe consider class action lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer, but maybe there is a proper way out? Or EvN just gone crazy... and we should abandon the ship ASAP? As long as we can migrate local notes...

I made some tests using the import tool, and, here are some important tips:

- Don't try to import everything in one batch. Take the small Notebooks and import 2 by 2, or one by one.

- Encrypted notes need to be de-crypted before you import them.

- Plug you Mac or PC to lan port or a relly fast reliable wifi network. The import tool read your notes and save them directly into the cloud, so, a fast network is important. 

- You can import using the Legacy version if is installed, or the file exported by Export option. Using the exported file appears to be faster than using the direct access method. 

Good luck!

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13 horas atrás, Kolmir disse:

I'm currently testing OneNote (full v.) -> Editor and sync works better than fine on all my platforms, only maybe some small UX complaints on mobile. There are scan tools and Web-Clipper from MS. I can also protect selected content https://www.groovypost.com/howto/password-encrypt-microsoft-onenote-notebook-section/

Next week I plan to try migration https://www.onenote.com/import-evernote-to-onenote

However, maybe we can do more, for example like all users of EvN will stop paying subscription at once or contact investors or maybe consider class action lawsuit? I'm not a lawyer, but maybe there is a proper way out? Or EvN just gone crazy... and we should abandon the ship ASAP? As long as we can migrate local notes...

In the End User License agreement, probably have  some obscure clause that protects Evernote company from Lawsuits like this. But, we can do more if we make a coordinate social media buzz. Contact CNN? Or another important tech channel?

They need to be know that we are all pissed off. At least, I'm in the right moment. 

How irritating it can be since I'm here in the middle of Sunday thinking about how to migrate my data to another service, instead to playing a video game or playing with my kids?

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On 10/7/2020 at 6:02 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:

@Shane D.: First of all, I hope they gave you last week off to get ready for this! :)

Second, can you please clarify something WRT the "legacy" program = v. 6.25.1.9198: is it possible to download and install the new version alongside an existing v. 6.25 installation? Or does the new version (v. 10, I take it) overwrite/delete an installed v. 6.25, making it necessary to then download and install the "legacy" v. 6.25.1.1998? And in either case, will the legacy version and the new version both access the same on-disk Evernote database, or does the new version create a different database? Full details, please! TIA.

 

On 10/7/2020 at 6:59 PM, wolfonta said:

@Dave-in-Decatur I have both the legacy and the new version running side by side right now and it seems fine.

 

On 10/9/2020 at 10:34 PM, RobertJSawyer said:

Shane, it'd be nice if your installer checked to see if the user was running Windows 10 BEFORE it blew away the existing Evenote installation.  I'm on Windows 7 32-bit, and your installer deleted my entire Evernote installation AND THEN decided it couldn't install Evernote 10 (giving only a cryptic message that no appropriate file-association was set), leaving me with NO EVERNOTE AT ALL. Fortunately, I'd set a Windows restore point before doing the install, but sheesh.

OK, so I'm a bit mystified here. On the one hand, it is possible to run the legacy program and the new one side by side. I have the impression that the new one does not download a full notes database, so the two apps would not be accessing the same on-disk data. OTOH, @RobertJSawyer's experience seems to suggest that best practice might be to back up your database (esp. WRT any local notebooks), install the new program (which will obliterate any existing Evernote installation), and only then (re)install the legacy program and either allow it to download the full notes database or copy your backed-up DB to where it can find it. This seems like important knowledge, since judging by the forums a whole lot of people are going to use the legacy program. Can anyone (esp. @Shane D.) confirm that this is the proper procedure?

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3 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

an anyone (esp. @Shane D.) confirm that this is the proper procedure?

I can already complicate the list a little - judging from one post today,  the legacy install actually adds BOTH v10 and v6.25 in one go.  V10 will go on and download its database in the background (over some days if it's a big database) - don't know whether you can get away with keeping your existing 6.25 database,  or whether that will get nuked by v10.  

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Thanks ... I think. :huh: All of this is academic to me at the moment, as I'm still on Windows 7. But that has to change in the next few months, and when I upgrade to a new computer I will have to deal with the new-Evernote+legacy. If I delay long enough, maybe they'll be up to 10.5 or so and have restored import folders and global shortcuts, including screen clips, so that I might not need the legacy. Ever the optimist....

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5 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

If I delay long enough

It might take a while - the real crunch is going to be exactly how fast can Evernote add new (i.e.our old) features now they have their code base re-engineered?

Apparently some old features might not make it - see 

 And vote!  How can they consider not sharing notes by email!!  (I'd love to know what other features they're still thinking about too....)

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1 minute ago, s2sailor said:

How is the local data stored in V10?  Does it use one .exb file like V6.25 does or is some other structure used?

Pretty sure its not an EXB file,  but v10 seems to download something in background to allow offline working.  If anyone can track down exactly what,  please let us know!!

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1 minute ago, gazumped said:

Pretty sure its not an EXB file,  but v10 seems to download something in background to allow offline working.

I’ll have to rethink backups.  Currently I take periodic dumps of the exb and call it a day.  

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8 minutes ago, gazumped said:

Pretty sure its not an EXB file,  but v10 seems to download something in background to allow offline working.  If anyone can track down exactly what,  please let us know!!

Very helpful post here by @Alxa, who found it in C:/users/youraccount/appdata/roaming/evernote:

 

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My best bet so far is a folder:

C:\Users\{user name}\AppData\Roaming\Evernote\resource-cache

This contains thousands of folders and files dating from when I upgraded from beta to v10 to today.. I'm way out of my competence zone here so I could be completely wrong!

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4 minutes ago, Dave-in-Decatur said:

Very helpful post here by @Alxa, who found it in C:/users/youraccount/appdata/roaming/evernote:

Thanks.  I saw that but didn’t know if a single exb was still being used, or some other structure.  I wonder if v10 will provide us a way to perform a local backup that we could restore from if needed?

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On 10/7/2020 at 1:24 PM, Dave-in-Decatur said:
  • I note in particular that all global shortcuts are gone. Among other things, this means you can no longer start a new note from outside Evernote!

absurd is the word for this. Creating a new note on the fly, regardless of what app I'm in is essential. How could Evernote not get this? In fact, I have most of my mouse buttons configured to do something in Evernote. One mouse button is configured to do a search in Evernote which is great because regardless of the program I'm in, I can quickly open up Evernote, and see the cursor flashing in the search field. 

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On 10/10/2020 at 12:51 PM, gazumped said:

I get that for usage and budget reasons it would be good to cut down on their bandwidth so users don't sync GB-level databases (guilty!) on a regular basis - but if regular users start downloading notebooks for backup purposes,  seems to me that will tie up their servers quite nicely,  feeding the streams.

 

Am I getting this right - there is no local database file to backup anymore? Everything is cloud-based?  My internet service cannot be updated (country bumpkin) and I only have 4-5 MB up and 1 down.  It is why I can't use cloud-based backup services, and is an important reason I started using Evernote. I'm screwed, right?

Edit-shoot: my speed isn't in MB up or down but  Mbps... 4.4 Mbps down, 0.68 Mbps up.  I think Mbps are even smaller than MB - I always confuse that sort of thing.

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38 minutes ago, lisec said:

Am I getting this right - there is no local database file to backup anymore? 

There is a local database file for offline use
On the Mac, we're restricted to .enex export 

I have no information on the import feature
edit: The import feature is still supported on Macs

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