actant 21 Posted June 10, 2017 Share Posted June 10, 2017 I use number prefix helping organize huge amount of tags. Before v.4, it worked great. With v.6, it seems that good days are gone. Do anybody know whether there is any way to restore v.4 tag sorting? Tons of thanks! In EN v.4 desktop and EN web, sorting tags was like this (Good): 1 12 129 2 21 238 3 37 In EN version 6, sorting tags is like this (Bad): 1 2 3 12 21 37 129 238 Link to comment
Level 5* gustavgi 303 Posted June 15, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 15, 2017 8 hours ago, actant said: Good question! Simply like this: 1 - Food 11 - Fruit 112 - Apple 12 - Meat 122 - Beef 18 - Dessert 19 - Other 191 - Drink 1911 - Coca Or: 1 - Food 101 - Fruit 1012 - Apple 102 - Meat 1022 - Beef 109 - Dessert 110 - Drink 1101 - Coca What I meant was, what do you do when the parent tags exceed 10? What number do you give Fruit and wouldn't the Apple tag and the Beach houses tag have the same prefix? 1 - Food XX - Fruit XXX - Apple XX - Meat XXX - Beef XX - Dessert XX - Other XXX - Drink XXXX - Coca 10 - Sleep 11 - Houses XXX - Beach houses 2 - Cars 3 - YYY 4 - YYY 5 - YYY 6 - YYY 7 - YYY 8 - YYY 9 - YYY Link to comment
Evernote Employee dconnet 529 Posted June 12, 2017 Evernote Employee Share Posted June 12, 2017 On 6/10/2017 at 3:26 AM, gazumped said: Looks like the tags get sorted into 'proper' numerical order instead of pure alphabetic. This is most definitely by design and not a bug. Link to comment
Level 5* gazumped 9,305 Posted June 13, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 13, 2017 2 hours ago, dconnet said: This is most definitely by design and not a bug. Thanks for the confirmation. Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 16, 2017 Author Share Posted June 16, 2017 12 hours ago, gustavgi said: What I meant was, what do you do when the parent tags exceed 10? What number do you give Fruit and wouldn't the Apple tag and the Beach houses tag have the same prefix? If the parent tags exceed 10, simply prefix them with double-digit numbers. If exceding 100, then 3-digit numbers. 01 - Food 011 - Fruit 0111 - Apple 10 - Sleep 11 - House 111 - Beach houses You need to clearly define the members of the top level tag first. Then it's possible to assign prefixing numbers correctly. Link to comment
Evernote Employee dconnet 529 Posted June 13, 2017 Evernote Employee Share Posted June 13, 2017 15 hours ago, gazumped said: Thanks for the confirmation. A few years ago we changed to using the Windows APIs that Explorer uses so our sorting would be consistent with how you see things there. Link to comment
Level 5* DTLow 5,666 Posted June 13, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 13, 2017 1 hour ago, dconnet said: A few years ago we changed to using the Windows APIs that Explorer uses so our sorting would be consistent with how you see things there. Thanks for responding on this. Will this numeric sort sequence remain a Windows thing, or is it being rolled out to other platforms? Link to comment
Level 5* DTLow 5,666 Posted June 16, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 16, 2017 8 hours ago, actant said: If the parent tags exceed 10, simply prefix them with double-digit numbers. If exceding 100, then 3-digit numbers. 01 - Food 011 - Fruit 0111 - Apple I'm still against numeric prefixing, but I wouldn't want to have to go back and rename tags. I'd use the double digit convention from the beginning btw In conventional organization, 011 is not a sub of 01 More standard is 01 > 01.1 > 01.1.1 Not sure how this gets reflected in the new numeric sorting Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 16 hours ago, dconnet said: A few years ago we changed to using the Windows APIs that Explorer uses so our sorting would be consistent with how you see things there. Tag is an important part of the subject index system of notes. Alphabetic order should be a more professional choice. I can't see any reason other than easy coding for making tags "consistent with how you see things" with Windows Explorer. Link to comment
Level 5* gazumped 9,305 Posted June 14, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 14, 2017 3 hours ago, actant said: Tag is an important part of the subject index system of notes. Alphabetic order should be a more professional choice. I can't see any reason other than easy coding for making tags "consistent with how you see things" with Windows Explorer. Not sure what 'more professionally' means here - this is the way that Windows handles sorting, so Evernote is in line with the OS. Link to comment
Level 5* gazumped 9,305 Posted June 10, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 10, 2017 Looks like the tags get sorted into 'proper' numerical order instead of pure alphabetic. Have you thought of nesting tags as an option? If you had a parent tag "1" to keep all the child "1xx" tags together? If you use a lot of numeric tags it's a way to shorten the listings too. Whatever the bug/ change it's not likely to be reversed or made optional especially quickly so you may have to change the way you work for a short while. Plus. How are you choosing tags? If you use the 'Add tag' dialogue, typing the first character '1' will list out the available 1xx tags; Ctrl+Alt+T gives you headings for groups of tags and again a search box to find tags starting with or containing...<initial search string> Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 10, 2017 Author Share Posted June 10, 2017 4 hours ago, gazumped said: Looks like the tags get sorted into 'proper' numerical order instead of pure alphabetic. Have you thought of nesting tags as an option? If you had a parent tag "1" to keep all the child "1xx" tags together? If you use a lot of numeric tags it's a way to shorten the listings too. Whatever the bug/ change it's not likely to be reversed or made optional especially quickly so you may have to change the way you work for a short while. Plus. How are you choosing tags? If you use the 'Add tag' dialogue, typing the first character '1' will list out the available 1xx tags; Ctrl+Alt+T gives you headings for groups of tags and again a search box to find tags starting with or containing...<initial search string> Thanks for your reply! I use number as prefix for tag names. For example: 1 - Food 11 - Fruit 112 - Apple 12 - Meat 122 - Beef Since EN does not export nested tree of tags, the number prefix would help rebuilding the tag tree quickly after reimporting an .exex file. Sorting tags by numerical order simply destroys the workflow. The only solution seems to be something like: 1.2.2 - Beef. Then the tag name looks messy. Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 14, 2017 Author Share Posted June 14, 2017 6 hours ago, gazumped said: Not sure what 'more professionally' means here - this is the way that Windows handles sorting, so Evernote is in line with the OS. Microsoft is not the golden standard for everything. That's why many people choose EN, not OneNote, and also why many people choose MacOS, not Windows. Link to comment
Level 5* gazumped 9,305 Posted June 15, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 15, 2017 5 hours ago, actant said: Microsoft is not the golden standard for everything Agreed, but it is at least consistent for Windows users to have the same experience in OS and dependent apps... Link to comment
Level 5* gustavgi 303 Posted June 15, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 15, 2017 On 2017-06-10 at 5:09 PM, actant said: Thanks for your reply! I use number as prefix for tag names. For example: 1 - Food 11 - Fruit 112 - Apple 12 - Meat 122 - Beef Since EN does not export nested tree of tags, the number prefix would help rebuilding the tag tree quickly after reimporting an .exex file. Sorting tags by numerical order simply destroys the workflow. The only solution seems to be something like: 1.2.2 - Beef. Then the tag name looks messy. What do you do when the top parent tags reach 11 and further, when that number is already used by a child tag under the 1 parent tag? Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, gustavgi said: What do you do when the top parent tags reach 11 and further, when that number is already used by a child tag under the 1 parent tag? Good question! Simply like this: 1 - Food 11 - Fruit 112 - Apple 12 - Meat 122 - Beef 18 - Dessert 19 - Other 191 - Drink 1911 - Coca Or: 1 - Food 101 - Fruit 1012 - Apple 102 - Meat 1022 - Beef 109 - Dessert 110 - Drink 1101 - Coca Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 10 hours ago, gazumped said: Agreed, but it is at least consistent for Windows users to have the same experience in OS and dependent apps... To have the same experience in Windows, OneNote is the best choice and Evernote should not have been born. Link to comment
Level 5* DTLow 5,666 Posted June 15, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 15, 2017 3 hours ago, actant said: To have the same experience in Windows, OneNote is the best choice I suspect tag sorting is a complete fail in OneNote Link to comment
Level 5* DTLow 5,666 Posted June 15, 2017 Level 5* Share Posted June 15, 2017 On 2017-06-10 at 8:09 AM, actant said: Since EN does not export nested tree of tags, the number prefix would help rebuilding the tag tree quickly after reimporting an .exex file. Sorting tags by numerical order simply destroys the workflow. The only solution seems to be something like: 1.2.2 - Beef. Then the tag name looks messy. Thats an innovative solution to missing tag hierarchy You mentioned rebuilding the tag tree, but I'm also faced with no hierarchy in various places/platforms I'd suggest prefixing tagnames instead of numbers. For example Food_Fruit_Apple instead of 1012 - Apple Food_Other_Drink_Coca instead of 1911 - Coca Link to comment
actant 21 Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 38 minutes ago, DTLow said: I'd suggest prefixing tagnames instead of numbers. For example Food_Fruit_Apple instead of 1012 - Apple Food_Other_Drink_Coca instead of 1911 - Coca Number is better for two reasons: 1. being brief 2. controlled sorting Link to comment
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I use number prefix helping organize huge amount of tags. Before v.4, it worked great. With v.6, it seems that good days are gone.
Do anybody know whether there is any way to restore v.4 tag sorting? Tons of thanks!
In EN v.4 desktop and EN web, sorting tags was like this (Good):
1
12
129
2
21
238
3
37
In EN version 6, sorting tags is like this (Bad):
1
2
3
12
21
37
129
238
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