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Evernote for Windows 6.6 Beta 1 Released


Chantal Leonard

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Today we're releasing version 6.6 Beta 1 - you cadownload it here. This release brings improvements to the note editing and note sharing experience. As these are pretty sizable changes and this is our first beta, we're looking to the Beta community to help us uncover bugs - please let us know if you spot any issues in your existing workflows and let us know if you're able to take advantage of the new feature improvements. 

As always, we've also fixed a number of bugs. See the list below in the release notes for some of the highlights. 

Thanks,

Chantal and the rest of the Windows and the Editor team! 

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Evernote for Windows 6.6 Release Notes

Major improvements to tables!

Some highlights:

  • Quickly add rows and columns – via the plus button
  • Easily select cells – by clicking-and-dragging, or by clicking the column/row headers
  • Efficiently drag and drop rows & columns – by clicking on the row/column headers, and then dragging and dropping the row/column elsewhere
  • Better copy/paste – copy multiple cells, then place your cursor anywhere in the table to paste into multiple cells
  • New fixed width columns – so that as you increase/decrease one column’s width, it does not affect the next column’s width
  • New horizontally scrollable tables – so that you won’t need to expand your window wide to view a table that has many columns
  • Access advanced table functions – via the new menu which provides options such as
    • Resizing the table width to match the current window size
    • Distributing selected columns evenly
    • Adjusting alignment of content in cells
    • Changing cell background color
  • Additional info: The new tables do not support "table-in-table" or "merged cell" functionality. If you paste incompatible tables into a note, then the tables in the note will not have the updated table features or controls (including resizing). In a future update, we plan to support pasted-in tables that have merged cells.

New image gallery!

Double-click on an image to enter the gallery mode, which allows you to quickly browse all the images in your note!

New editor

Evernote for Windows now utilizes the new editor, which has been rewritten to allow for more rapid improvements to the editor moving forward.

Improved Share dialog

More easily share notes via our improved UI which allows sharing to another evernote user or through a public link.

Bug fixes

A number of user reported bugs are now fixed in this release:

  • Notes with tables and checkboxes were sometimes causing the app to hang
  • Line breaks were sometimes hidden below the bottom margin of the note
  • When attempting to repeatedly add attachments to a note, sometimes attachments fail to be added to note
  • When copying text from an email that contains dates/times that have were auto-formatted as links, sometimes the dates/times were not pastable into Evernote
  • If a user had changed their font size, began typing text and creating line breaks, and then deleted some text, the font size would sometimes unexpectedly revert back to the default size
  • Undo often did not work on the first try when there was a table in the note

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Improved table editing: quickly add rows and columns via the plus button, easily set the background color of cells.

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35 minutes ago, EdH said:

Not a fan of the half inch dead margin on the left. Why do this?

If I remember this happened back around 6.0 as well, somebody fixed it then.  Hope they will again.

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12 minutes ago, csihilling said:

If I remember this happened back around 6.0 as well, somebody fixed it then.  Hope they will again.

It happened in iOS too. Someone there has a real margin agenda for some reason. 

Put that person in charge of the blackberry product and leave the windows/Mac/iOS platforms alone. 

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On 28/03/2017 at 6:08 PM, Enertse said:

I haven't changed my preferences since upgrading, but now find my notes are being synchronized automatically; has anyone else noticed this?

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Please fix the sync regression introduced with 6.5.

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On 5/13/2017 at 6:04 PM, JohnLongney said:

dear fanboys,

to put my sentiments even more plainly, a product version where the development team has checked just about nothing is  unfit for Beta testing. 

Such work must make any competitor very, very happy, grinning with delight (or disdain).

There's a whole philosophy to back it:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Release_early,_release_often

Cut them some slack ))

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One of the ways I use Evernote is to keep a record of audiobooks I am listening to. To do this, I setup the notebook stack Sci-Fi and Fantasy Audiobooks that contains two notebooks: Series and Standalone. Notes in these notebooks include the picture(s) of the book(s) cover(s) and unformatted numbered list which consist of the book title, its synopsis, book length and checkbox that denotes whether audiobook has been listened to. Today, when I went to stack to see if it got affected by the latest beta, I discovered the presence of mysterious one cell tables where no tables have been before. The tables encompass book synopsis but sometimes might also extend onto the title. Why are the tables there? It is very strange to me. I know I can use copy/cut and paste to make notes look the way I want, just thought to put it out there to make Evernote aware of this bug, so it is not repeated in the future.  When I have 31 notes in Series notebook (with multiple entries in each note)  and 20 notes in a Standalone notebook (the situation are a lot better here) it is a lot of work to make thing right. Below are examples of what I described. 

Series:

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Standalone:

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Just noticed that some pages cannot be copy/pasted into a new note. Steps to repro:

1. Create a new note

2. Click it if it did not get the focus (intermittent)

3. In your browser go to  http://www.oakleysound.com/flanger.htm and select it all

4. try to paste it into the new note created at step 1

Expected: page content pasted into the note

Observed: nothing is pasted, not is empty

Not browser specific.

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7 hours ago, Don Dz said:

Sorry if this has already been mentioned: Paste and match style is broken in the new beta, it behaves exactly the same as regular paste, so I had to return to the previous version, I rely on Paste and match style too much to do without.

Thanks for mentioning. We do know about this and it has been fixed and will be in the Beta 2 release.

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Can we get a search progress indicator for those of us using On Demand sync? When I search now, I instantly get results for notes that are local, but it can take 10-15 seconds to get online only notes in my search results, but you don't know it is still searching.

Even though I know this is the case, I still find myself getting frustrated and changing my search terms looking for something until I remember that I need to wait longer now for the search.

I haven't tested this either, but I supposed it should warn you the search results are incomplete if you are offline.

Circling dots, or a line progress indicator, or blinking dots, or better yet, this GIF:

 

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I don't mind the Table enhancements. I was not really waiting or expecting these changes but I do like what I see and can see me using them in the future.

But I have found a problem with a 3rd party app that I use called "SMS to Evernote". Since I upgrading to Beta, the SMS messages in Evernote are unreadable although I can see them perfectly in Evernote Web...I guess the Android App developer uses some sort of tables in the upload to Evernote.. Not Sure...

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On 7/19/2017 at 10:15 AM, SWFlorida said:

Is there a final release date set for 6.6? Looks like some good innovations, but I'm not interested in beta testing.

no. they just released beta 3 today. could be weeks or months.

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Hi,

Still can't understand why when i edit a word that has an URL instead of maintaining the word the new URL is pasted....someday you said ths is normal but don't see why.

I use some templates with repeating structures and titles, i want to maintain the title word but not the URL that this has assigned, previously this was working fine form me...

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On 2017-05-13 at 8:04 AM, JohnLongney said:

dear fanboys

I'm an Evernote Fanboy

You otoh, don't seem to be the type to be part of the Beta Community.  You should  be waiting for the public release

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22 hours ago, Chantal Leonard said:

all feedback always welcome though if you have some more time to pound on image preview and share we'd welcome more feedback

Just wondering if there's a way the image preview could open in its own window?  You have to open the note in its own window and then double click if you want to be able to modify text in the note while viewing the images.  I think anyway.  

Probably an enhancement, but you cannot zoom in/out when in image preview mode as you can with other viewers;

Thanks.

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That amazing news. Exactly what I was looking for! Especially this one. Thank you:)

14 hours ago, Chantal Leonard said:

New image gallery!

Double-click on an image to enter the gallery mode, which allows you to quickly browse all the images in your note!

 

 

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On 5/15/2017 at 11:39 PM, csihilling said:

Just noticed ENML shut down;  Related to this release?

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The ENML editor was a 3rd-party site, and I used to find it to be handy on occasion. I seem to recall that it wasn't working some time ago; frankly, I was surprised that it stayed up as long as it did. As far as I can tell, the author didn't get any revenue from it. It is too bad, I agree. I'd have been surprised to find that its shutdown had anything to do with this release, which doesn't change what ENML is, just how it's edited/displayed in the Windows client.

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Evernote on Windows 10 Ver 6.6.1.5097 (305097) Prerelease

Paste of text from another note (& elsewhere?) does not retain the full formatting of the original but matches part of the "target" style - e.g. font size.

This is for Paste, not "Paste and Match Style'

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Minor winge,  but I just did this for the fourth time in a row...

Windows users now have to get used to the fact that double-clicking an image opens it,  and every other image in that note in a slideshow window.  It used to be the case that double-clicking would open the image in the editor of my choice,  but that's now right-click and open.  The image completely takes over the note list and content display.  Not unhappy with that,  though I'm still getting used to it. 

The issue is that in slideshow, the 'x' to close the slideshow window an the 'x' to close Evernote are rather close together,  and I keep on closing Evernote when all I wanted to do was lose the window....

How about an 'are you sure?' on the app close option and a 'cancel' button?

(In fact in writing this I just realised that a click anywhere in the window will close the image and get back to the notes,  so what the bleep is the green 'x' for?)

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ANyone seeing issues with the old nice gray bar that would be between all merged notes now being shoved up against the left and wrapped so it takes up half the screen? - this is with Merge Notes options with Include Title, Source URL, Location, and Author all checked.

See the two attachments. The 2nd one I manually had to drag the table field to the width of the note, but that doesn't work well either because ifhte note is less than the width I dragged the divider out to, then it just puts a scroll bar.

 

Can we just have the old gray bar and not a table put back the way it was?

 

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1 hour ago, jefito said:

I seem to recall that it wasn't working some time ago;

It was working up until just after the release of the Beta, I believe.  It was quite handy for sure, I will miss it  Agreed the ENML didn't change per se, but how it is now used did a bit.  No doubt unrelated.

Coincidence breeds conspiracy!  ;)

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16 hours ago, kvitekp said:

Just noticed that some pages cannot be copy/pasted into a new note. Steps to repro:

1. Create a new note

2. Click it if it did not get the focus (intermittent)

3. In your browser go to  http://www.oakleysound.com/flanger.htm and select it all

4. try to paste it into the new note created at step 1

Expected: page content pasted into the note

Observed: nothing is pasted, not is empty

Not browser specific.

Just noticed that I'm having this problem as well. I cannot paste my spreadsheet clips into a note. I use this all the time to keep up with current data.
Looks like I'll have to revert back until it's fixed...

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On 5/20/2017 at 0:37 AM, FactMan said:

Sorry, I have been crazy busy this week and have only just seen this. I reverted to an earlier version that did not have the problem, and I did not "save" the offending notes. It seemed to be all pasted contents. I promise to do better with the next version, and be less impatient to have it perfect, so that I can at least send the corrupted files and the sites they came from. It seemed to be at least a couple of sites that I use a lot, and I vaguely recall having a similar problem some years ago when there was an editor format change... I didn't Evernote it, however! 

The crazy busy time has continued, but I did get to install the latest beta. At first I thought that the problems were still there, but now I find that they were entirely the result of selecting "Article" instead of "Simplified Article" when clipping a web page. So, now I am back to being a happy camper, looking forward to other improvements/options with the changes to the editor.

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7 minutes ago, gazumped said:

How about an 'are you sure?' on the app close option and a 'cancel' button?

Or how about opening the image gallery in its own window where Ctrl + and - work, or some form of zoom?  I too have prematurely exited EN using this feature.  :(

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...and back to my theme of publicly shared notes,  here's my centre 23" monitor showing Evernote's recently published meeting note template in presentation mode...

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Kinda lights up my room...

OK I do have it full screen,  but at any window size all I can see is a heading,  Not professional.

https://blog.evernote.com/blog/2017/05/30/a-better-way-to-pass-notes-sharing-content-from-conferences/

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Bug report.  It appears that there are no table controls for an encrypted table.  The context menu appears but neither rows nor columns can be added or deleted.  And after trying to add a row unsuccessfully I can no longer open the encryption.  Double clicking does nothing.  Note history is a good thing.

EDIT:  I can open the encryption by right clicking on the icon and selecting Show encrypted text.  Didn't know that existed until now.  Still replacing from note history since I prefer to double click.

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3 hours ago, Graham Gott said:

Just noticed that I'm having this problem as well. I cannot paste my spreadsheet clips into a note. I use this all the time to keep up with current data.
Looks like I'll have to revert back until it's fixed...

The beta certainly looks great but I don't have the problem of "reverting" to a previous version because I haven't been able to use anything since 6.3.3 anyway. The work that's been done to improve the tables is fantastic. There's still lots of things to fix but that's what beta is for. Let real people run it through the wringer. From experience, developers make lousy testers of their own product. They know how it works, and don't do the stupid stuff that us users would do, so the software doesn't really get a workout.

If the new stuff fixes my problems with fonts and startup, I'll gladly hop on-board and it's looking pretty good already.

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39 minutes ago, csihilling said:

Or how about opening the image gallery in its own window where Ctrl + and - work, or some form of zoom?  I too have prematurely exited EN using this feature.  :(

And while we're at it, let's add functionality to the image gallery to let users select the default image for note views like Snippet view. That "largest smallest" thingie is so yesterday.... :) 

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@Chantal Leonard Tested the latest beta. The Editor is working quite good. Only there are minor hiccups, a small fraction of a second, freezes. This happens, particularly, when you select a bunch of text and apply a common setting, like change the Font type or size. But its not much of a problem. But please look to address this. 

The table is performing well. No major issues here encountered. Colour changes applied in Windows are syncing over to Android, which is good. Great and immense scope here. 

The gallery feature seems to again have a small delay here, although it is at an acceptable level for a Beta 1 release.

Great job Chantal and the Evernote team.. :)

 

 

 

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On 5/12/2017 at 2:52 PM, csihilling said:

@Chantal Leonard

First, great update with tables, thanks for that.  :):):)

A few glitches and suggestions from my first test drive:

Glitches

  1. When returning from a Basic sandbox account to a  Premium account the Context Show/Hide is visible in the note area n the Premium account.
  2. Table does not change in IOS now, but characters/columns aren't proportional between IOS and PC, that is, IOS wraps text in a column where the PC doesn't
  3. The column widths have been changed on most of my older phone template notes from 2015 back (a two column table).  It looks like they have been changed to two same width 125-150 px or so column tables.  Not sure if this happened with a previous release, bit still...  Not the worst thing until I find one in a search and want to read/fix it.  PITA
  4. For the older tables above when I go to drag the column width I get stuck with the column size adjust icon and the mouse pointer never comes back when placed in the note area.  None of the table indicators appear, just the width drag icon.  I have to File - Exit EN to resolve the issue.  Interestingly, when this happens the pointer will work in a note stand alone window, just not the main window.  This will make it problematic to edit these not modified by me notes across time as they come into view..
  5. Not a glitch - the new tables do not seem to get corrupted after being viewed/edited in IOS so far, a good thing.

Suggestions

  1. Was the extra indentation in the note body in V 6.5?  Even so, can it be removed?  Waste of space and it doesn't look any better, worse perhaps.  Doesn't line up with anything.
  2. Why the extra space at the top of the table if first in the note (2 lines) (1 for the column tools I suppose, but the other line is for???
  3. Busy screen when all the table options visible, and once you are out of the table they don't disappear
  4. Is there anyway to override vertical spacing above/below the row line?  Too much space wasted for me and it is changing existing tables and makes things worse on a phone.
  5. Copy note link changed now in two places, because?
  6. Not 100% intuitive to use the format bar to align left right center

 

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  1. Table does not change in IOS now, but characters/columns aren't proportional between IOS and PC, that is, IOS wraps text in a column where the PC doesn't

What version of iOS? Have you tried the 8.2.2 beta? If you mean that the tables on iOS are not fixed width, but instead are the width of the note editor window, then that is by design for now. We are working to transition tables to fixed widths on all platforms. During the transition, some platforms will still be using variable width tables that match the width of the note editor window. However, the columns should be proportionally the same across apps. So, for example, if you make a column on the PC twice as wide as the others, it should still be twice as wide as the others on iOS, even if the table is a different total width.

 

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The column widths have been changed on most of my older phone template notes from 2015 back (a two column table).  It looks like they have been changed to two same width 125-150 px or so column tables.  Not sure if this happened with a previous release, bit still...  Not the worst thing until I find one in a search and want to read/fix it.  PITA

If you have an example ENEX file we can see if it was changed before this release. In general, older tables that have not had their _total_ width adjusted, should start as 792 px wide in this release on Windows, while keeping columns proportionally wide relative to each other. If they have had their total width adjusted before this release to be less than 100% of the note editor window, then they should now have a total fixed width of less than 792 px, at a scale proportional to the percentage width they were of the note editor window.

 

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For the older tables above when I go to drag the column width I get stuck with the column size adjust icon and the mouse pointer never comes back when placed in the note area.  None of the table indicators appear, just the width drag icon.  I have to File - Exit EN to resolve the issue.  Interestingly, when this happens the pointer will work in a note stand alone window, just not the main window.  This will make it problematic to edit these not modified by me notes across time as they come into view..

This could be the symptom of another bug breaking something else in the editor with some notes. Can you reproduce this problem on all notes? Or just some notes? Can you provide an ENEX file of a note where it can be reproduced? Any help you can provide to uncover the cause of this will help us to get it fixed.

 

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Was the extra indentation in the note body in V 6.5?  Even so, can it be removed?  Waste of space and it doesn't look any better, worse perhaps.  Doesn't line up with anything.

It was not in 6.5. We added it in 6.6 because of the new table UI -- the gray row headers and dots -- that appear to the left of the table when your cursor is inside the table. Without the margin on the left, those UI elements would not be fully visible. This way, the left edge of the table can align to the left edge of surrounding paragraphs, and the new table UI can be visible when necessary, and the table does not have to "jump" when interacting with it.

 

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Why the extra space at the top of the table if first in the note (2 lines) (1 for the column tools I suppose, but the other line is for???

The editable line above the table allows you to put your cursor above the table, since you can no longer put your cursor to the left of the table.

 

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Busy screen when all the table options visible, and once you are out of the table they don't disappear

The table UI -- the row and columns headers -- should disappear when your keyboard cursor (not your mouse pointer) is out of the table. As long as your keyboard cursor is in a position that would allow you to type in the table, the table UI options are visible. If you are typing somewhere else in the note, they should not be visible. Can you clarify if this is the behavior you are seeing?

 

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Is there anyway to override vertical spacing above/below the row line?  Too much space wasted for me and it is changing existing tables and makes things worse on a phone.

The inter-cell paddings are not a configurable option. Can you clarify why it is worse on the phone? Is it because you prefer to see content more compressed on a phone so more fits on the screen?

 

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Not 100% intuitive to use the format bar to align left right center

Are you talking about aligning tables specifically here? Or just using the alignment buttons on the toolbar. The alignment buttons will apply to the paragraph where your keyboard cursor is, or to the active selection you have in the editor, and not to the table itself. How can we make it more intuitive?

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On 5/12/2017 at 7:38 PM, gazumped said:

Two things (so far)

  • create a bullet list - try to add a table in the list.  No response to toolbar icon, but Format > Insert Table works
  • create a table in Excel - paste into Evernote.  All cell structure lost - just long list of cell entries posted as text. Option: paste a screen shot plus the file link,   but obviously all inline functionality is lost.  It's just a picture.

Is it common for you to put a table in a bullet list?

Thanks for reporting the excel issue -- are you pasting the excel table inside an Evernote table? If so, are you expecting it to paste cell-by-cell?

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9 hours ago, DTLow said:

I'm an Evernote Fanboy

You otoh, don't seem to be the type to be part of the Beta Community.  You should  be waiting for the public release

@DTLow indeed, as with Evernote one has to belong to The Club to humour and tolerate their novel approach to 'improvements'.  

Managed to talk a neighbour into a trial installation on his machine (had shown interest in Evernote previously). As a matter of fact he was quite impressed with the features I showed  him on my notebook such as webclipping, upload of pictures, merging notes, editing, so ahead he went with 6.5----. So, when I told him what the latest Beta promised and what it actually produced he would not believe it. The print-out of my wonderful test note with the nicely formatted table did not convince him (can't be true, must be printer low on ink). I knew  he would snap at the bait. Beta successfully installed. New note with table created,sent to his printer. Came back, laughing, '..... syndrome striking'. Young man in his early thirtees from Greece.

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On 5/12/2017 at 4:33 PM, Zsolt.Juhasz said:

Long avaited tables are finally there. Some small glitches:

1. when adding a horizontal line to a colored cell, the lines backround stays white.

Also I witnessed a fix for "format to text". Usually it added an extra paragraph, which needed to cut out manually. This seems to be fixed now.

 

Great work - thank you!

Thanks for reporting -- do you frequently put horizontal lines into table cells? If so, can you clarify why you are doing it to help us understand? Are you using it to separate content inside the cell, instead of just using 2 cells?

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On 5/12/2017 at 8:32 PM, FactMan said:

Something has gone horribly wrong with the remove formatting options. I have a couple of web sites that I visit frequently - the update has wrecked my ability to quickly reformat the notes to appear the way I want them. There are a lot of extra <div> and </div> HTML tags showing up on ENML, but removing those is a nightmare. Even pressing the bullet button causes strange things to happen to the formatting. I think I will go back to the previous version, which worked well. I will optimize the database, and try a couple of other things first, then try installing again, but this is a pain. Here is the most recent log file after I tried to edit one of my notes that has proved difficult to correct.

21:49:03 [14060] Command line: "C:\x86\Evernote\Evernote\Evernote.exe" 
21:49:03 [14060] Evernote for Windows 6.6.1.5097 (305097) Prerelease
21:49:03 [14060] Client info: Evernote Windows/305097 (en-US, DDL); Windows/10.0.15063 (Win64);
21:49:03 [14060] Common Editor: ce-1.22.1790 (c90219284a9901fe56fa4ebcfbdd52990ecc1fa0)
21:49:03 [14060] Bootstrap info: Evernote (loadedLastUsed)
21:49:04 [14060] Registered session count: 1, last session: 2017/05/12 21:45:00
21:49:04 [14060] Bootstrap info: Evernote (loadedDatabase)
21:49:04 [14060] Loaded session count: 0, last session: 2017/05/11 23:15:00
21:49:05 [1788] Sync rate configuration changed:
21:49:05 [1788] * syncStateIntervalMillis=20000
21:49:05 [1788] * updateNoteWhenIdleForMillis=3000
21:49:05 [1788] * updateNoteDuringEditIntervalMillis=6000
21:49:08 [14060] Opened database: C:\@@@.exb (5.6 GB Fixed 755 GB free)
21:49:08 [14060] * email: xxxx
21:49:08 [14060] * user: 21534
21:49:08 [12180] Import folder: "C:\Users\R\Desktop\Evernote" started, DeleteImportedFiles, ImportOneLevelDeep
21:49:09 [1296] 0% SyncState: devices used: 2
21:49:12 [14060] Registered session count: 1, last session: 2017/05/12 21:45:00
21:54:12 [14060] # Fixing 1 selected notes...
21:55:01 [14764] 0% Syncing note "3 Powerful Indigenous Herbs From Nort...", resource count: 0
21:55:01 [14764] 0% * guid={9BA5B2E1-CFA5-4C4C-9198-584F6E087BB7}
21:55:02 [14764] 0% Updating local note "3 Powerful Indigenous Herbs From Nort...", resource count: 1, usn=174271
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * guid={9BA5B2E1-CFA5-4C4C-9198-584F6E087BB7}
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * Retrieving note content, length=33804
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * guid={9ba5b2e1-cfa5-4c4c-9198-584f6e087bb7}
21:55:02 [14764] 0% Creating local resource "3591e7f85e99e206879a331836714781" placeholder, 3928 bytes
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * rsrc={55FF4BDF-38FC-4358-8387-E0E4F814F89C}, note={9ba5b2e1-cfa5-4c4c-9198-584f6e087bb7}
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * Retrieving resource data, size=3928
21:55:02 [14764] 0% * rsrc={55ff4bdf-38fc-4358-8387-e0e4f814f89c}, note={9ba5b2e1-cfa5-4c4c-9198-584f6e087bb7}
21:55:04 [14764] 0% * Retrieving resource reco data, size=640
21:55:04 [14764] 0% * rsrc={55ff4bdf-38fc-4358-8387-e0e4f814f89c}, note={9ba5b2e1-cfa5-4c4c-9198-584f6e087bb7}
21:55:07 [14060] # Fixing 1 selected notes done
22:00:18 [14060] Registered session count: 2, last session: 2017/05/12 22:00:00

Thanks for reporting this, and sorry to hear this happening. We are trying to make sure all externally pasted content retains its formatting, so any details you could give about the websites you are pasting would be helpful. Also, if you could provide the ENEX files of the poorly formatted notes that would also be helpful. Is this happening to you for all pasted content, or just certain pasted websites?

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On 5/12/2017 at 9:17 PM, N. Lum said:

Not only for the color printing problem, but the tables are not copying completely into Evernote. I didn't have a problem in the previous version, but now I have it in this beta test.  I liked the copy and paste feature in the non-beta version!

When you say the tables are not copying completely, I'm not sure what you mean. Can you help me understand what exactly is going wrong when you copy the table?

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21 hours ago, kvitekp said:

Just noticed that some pages cannot be copy/pasted into a new note. Steps to repro:

1. Create a new note

2. Click it if it did not get the focus (intermittent)

3. In your browser go to  http://www.oakleysound.com/flanger.htm and select it all

4. try to paste it into the new note created at step 1

Expected: page content pasted into the note

Observed: nothing is pasted, not is empty

Not browser specific.

Thanks @kvitekp ;) Fixed internally now, and will be in the Beta 2

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On 5/13/2017 at 8:39 AM, JohnLongney said:

@ Evernote staff,

sorry to say pretty colours  that do not print are a ridiculous insult on your paying customers. 

Made a fancy layout with 6 columns, 6 rows = complete waste of time.  Page preview straight away gave the game away, verified by print. 

Shame on you! 

 

 

 

 

Sorry to hear this, we will work on a solution for you. The underlying cause of the problem here is that the embedded browser that we use to display and edit the notes does not support background color printing, which is the method we use to color the table cells. We think there might be a way to use foreground colors to force it to print correctly, but we will have to overcome a limitation of the technology stack here. We are working on improvements to the embedded browser as well, and will definitely work to address this issue as soon as we can.

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The table thing is "nice". But please, please, please - after 40 years of editors integrate some title formats/headline formats like H1, H2, H3. And a TOC for the note content. It would be soooooooo great if you could insert a link like "#part3" or "jump the the headline 3" or "jump to note evernote://xyz_#part3".

(You will lose the race with OneNote if you place your bet on colorful gimmicks - Microsoft will here always be better. But look at Markdown, Ulysses, Byline - this software focus pure text and has a big fan community.)

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4 hours ago, Graham Gott said:

Just noticed that I'm having this problem as well. I cannot paste my spreadsheet clips into a note. I use this all the time to keep up with current data.
Looks like I'll have to revert back until it's fixed...

I believe the underlying cause of this issue has been fixed internally, and will be available in the Beta 2

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On 5/13/2017 at 8:40 AM, Krunoslav said:

It seems that whatever you have done, much of the formatting in previous notes is now broken. Highlighted sentience connect to other sentences with no space between them, and the formatting has been therefore broken. Some cliped notes are now reformatted and not aligned proparly. I don't know what to do, but all the careful alignments on thousands of notes is now broken. It seems to be related to the tables changes and formatting engine changes.

I appreciate the changes and that you are not wasting our money, but two steps forward, six steps backward approach is not appreciate. This might be beta but feels like Alpha. Needs A LOT more work before its safe to use. I'm reverting back. This is dangerous. You introduce twice as many bugs as you have solved. WTF?

This is definitely not our intention, and I would like to get some examples from you so that we can improve this situation. Our goal is to preserve the look and feel of all existing notes, clipped notes and externally pasted content. We have tested these changes against many permutations of HTML and a variety of notes, but are still refining the process. Can you provide us some sample ENEX files that are being broken by this release?

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On 5/13/2017 at 8:59 AM, JohnLongney said:

Do you happen to know the difference between early Alpha and Beta? If so, then try and understand that no one fully upstairs would normally dare put out such rubbish. That sort of miserable stuff would make anybody with pride hide away. 

I cannot find any excuse for putting out such *****. Full stop.

 

Hi @JohnLongney -- sorry to hear your frustration with this. Did you have other issues newly introduced in this release besides the printing of background colors of table cells?

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On 5/15/2017 at 8:22 PM, Johnathan Hebert said:

Thanks for reporting this. Can you clarify the difference between the link in #1 and the link in #2? You copied the red one and pasted it and it became green?

Link#1 was made before this beta release was applied. There you can see that i have copied the link, and i was able to change the colour of the link to red. 

Link #2 was made after installing the latest beta. Now, you can see that the colour continues to remain green even if i select and change the colour. It is a bug that has come in in this beta release. 

 

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3 minutes ago, Jammer said:

Would love to see the ability to right-click on a table in Evernote and click "export to .xlsx".

You should post this as a separate request in the general forum at https://discussion.evernote.com/forum/304-evernote-feature-requests/?do=add

Note: Most spreadsheet export functions export to .csv to make them generic

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2 minutes ago, HerbyDE said:

The table thing is "nice". But please, please, please - after 40 years of editors integrate some title formats/headline formats like H1, H2, H3. And a TOC for the note content. It would be soooooooo great if you could insert a link like "#part3" or "jump the the headline 3" or "jump to note evernote://xyz_#part3".

(You will lose the race with OneNote if you place your bet on colorful gimmicks - Microsoft will here always be better. But look at Markdown, Ulysses, Byline - this software focus pure text and has a big fan community.)

Thanks for the suggestion. We are indeed looking into this. The recent editor changes, the restructuring of the underlying ENML, etc, are being done to enable more advanced and delightful things like the features you mentioned.

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7 minutes ago, Graham Gott said:

Brilliant, thank you.

Pushing my luck here but I don't suppose there has been a fix for my other two issues...?
 

Just to be sure, when you mentioned pasting your "spreadsheet clips" -- can you be more specific or attach some examples?

I'm not sure about the other issues yet, but if I get more info I can respond here.

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On 5/13/2017 at 9:14 AM, rechnergott said:

Not sure if this is a bug. 

The windows client does not allow me to use the "side scroll" function on my mouse for the tables, as I would normally use it on webpages and docs. 

The only way to side scroll the table is to scroll to the bottom of the table, and click on the scroll bar and drag it to the side. 

 

 

This should work, for example, if you press SHIFT and roll the mouse wheel. What kind of mouse do you have? Does it have a wheel? Do you still have this problem if you press SHIFT and roll the mouse wheel? Or are you horizontally scrolling by another mechanism?

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Basically, just highlighting a selection of cells in Excel. Copying them (Ctrl-c) and pasting in a note (Ctrl-V).  Nothing happens. Not much more I can say really...

Have reverted to current main version 6.5.4 and all is well again...

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2 minutes ago, rechnergott said:

Wicked update guys! The tables definitely needed some love. 

Just reporting a minor bug - when editing the properties of a cell, the menu dropdown appears behind file objects. See attached screenshot. 

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Thanks for reporting this, we'll work to get it fixed.

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On 5/13/2017 at 10:04 AM, JohnLongney said:

dear fanboys,

to put my sentiments even more plainly, a product version where the development team has checked just about nothing is  unfit for Beta testing. 

Such work must make any competitor very, very happy, grinning with delight (or disdain).

@JohnLongney We are checking many conditions, scenarios, types of notes, user flows, actions, etc, but in some cases the beta users will catch even more issues. If you could provide details, sample ENEX files, or steps to reproduce issues you are having, I can assure you that I will work to get them fixed. I manage the development team that builds the note editor for all of the Evernote apps, and we will work to explain and uncover the root cause for the issues you are having, especially because your issues may be representative of a much larger group of users out there. 

Are you having other issues besides the one you reported about the printing of table cell background colors?

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@Chantal Leonard

First, great update with tables, thanks for that.  :):):)

A few glitches and suggestions from my first test drive:

Glitches

  1. When returning from a Basic sandbox account to a  Premium account the Context Show/Hide is visible in the note area n the Premium account.
  2. Table does not change in IOS now, but characters/columns aren't proportional between IOS and PC, that is, IOS wraps text in a column where the PC doesn't
  3. The column widths have been changed on most of my older phone template notes from 2015 back (a two column table).  It looks like they have been changed to two same width 125-150 px or so column tables.  Not sure if this happened with a previous release, bit still...  Not the worst thing until I find one in a search and want to read/fix it.  PITA
  4. For the older tables above when I go to drag the column width I get stuck with the column size adjust icon and the mouse pointer never comes back when placed in the note area.  None of the table indicators appear, just the width drag icon.  I have to File - Exit EN to resolve the issue.  Interestingly, when this happens the pointer will work in a note stand alone window, just not the main window.  This will make it problematic to edit these not modified by me notes across time as they come into view..
  5. Not a glitch - the new tables do not seem to get corrupted after being viewed/edited in IOS so far, a good thing.

Suggestions

  1. Was the extra indentation in the note body in V 6.5?  Even so, can it be removed?  Waste of space and it doesn't look any better, worse perhaps.  Doesn't line up with anything.
  2. Why the extra space at the top of the table if first in the note (2 lines) (1 for the column tools I suppose, but the other line is for???
  3. Busy screen when all the table options visible, and once you are out of the table they don't disappear
  4. Is there anyway to override vertical spacing above/below the row line?  Too much space wasted for me and it is changing existing tables and makes things worse on a phone.
  5. Copy note link changed now in two places, because?
  6. Not 100% intuitive to use the format bar to align left right center
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On 5/13/2017 at 11:45 AM, gustavgi said:

Well, beta testing is pretty much targeted at those people that you call "fanboys", and not the regular user that don't want to experience new bugs.

I myself uninstalled this beta as soon as I noticed the problem reported above, that the formatting of clipped notes is messed up in this build.

Can you share a few of the clipped notes that have messed up formatting. This is one of our highest priority issues, and I believe we have resolved this for most clipped notes and external content. Any example ENEX files or websites you could provide would be helpful.

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On 5/13/2017 at 0:24 PM, FactMan said:

OK. In the Evernote directory in the Program Files directory on my hard drive, there is a program called EvernoteCleanup.exe. I ran that as an administrator, and it seemed to address at least some of the challenges with the beta build (6.5.4.4720). I will continue to monitor and add to this message if I find something of interest.

The difference in formatting were still there - particularly with large amounts of extra space around headings and after urls. I found no way of removing that space, and ENML editor is too cumbersome to use for other than the occasional tweak. So, I am back with 6.5 and will stay there until there is sufficient positive comment about the newest beta. The table improvements were great, but not worth the rest of the hassles IMHO. Took a while to go back, but I am glad I did.

Thanks for the update. Can you provide some ENEX files that have "large amounts of extra space around headings and after urls"? I have an idea of what might be causing this, but have not heard any other reports of this specific rendering issue.

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On 5/13/2017 at 0:29 PM, Sugeeth Krishnamoorthy said:

@Chantal Leonard Please observe the bug which has popped up in latest Beta. 

Bug details - Unable to change the colour of a 'Copy Internal Link' from Green to any other colour. Even if i select and apply a new colour, colour is not changing ( but other attributes like 'font change', 'size change' etc seem to be working.) 

 

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Thanks for reporting this. Can you clarify the difference between the link in #1 and the link in #2? You copied the red one and pasted it and it became green?

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5 hours ago, EdH said:

ANyone seeing issues with the old nice gray bar that would be between all merged notes now being shoved up against the left and wrapped so it takes up half the screen? - this is with Merge Notes options with Include Title, Source URL, Location, and Author all checked.

Same here. Merged notes' headers rely on html tables for their layout. Unfortunately, in the current note editor table visualization is seriously broken: all tables that were not created with this editor are displayed as a set of narrow columns with lots of vertical white space which makes their content impossible to read. This affects a lot of existing clipped notes since using tables for layout purposes is very common.

This data loss case prevents me from using the current version because I have thousands of clipped notes that heavily rely on tables: for example, a few hundred notes with clips of electronic part orders that I need to refer to every now and then. Hopefully this problem will be fixed before the release.

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On 5/13/2017 at 2:20 PM, csihilling said:

Re the alpha/beta discussion.  Two kinds of beta in my view, the internal one comprised of "volunteers" that sits between alpha and public beta, and the public beta.  I've always felt a public beta is supposed to be just about ready for prime time and is targeted at having more use cases thrown at it.  The alpha and volunteer beta are supposed to remove the glaring and obvious issues.  

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And yeah, EN does seem to have organizational difficulties getting over the hump with QC,  The MAJOR SIN in this beta, IMO, is modifying how folks' notes look.  It's a form of data loss.  Personally, I really don't care what the technical hurdles are with all this editor stuff.  EN being a cross platform program has the responsibility to address them and present the same note no matter the device.  Separate development groups for so long could be a part of their technical debt.  One platform app hosing another is twilight zone stuff to me.

The product is still a great tool for me, very happy with what it lets me accomplish.  That being said, the new table functions are great, but not worth having to deal with data loss in a beta.  

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We definitely do not expect you to care about the technical hurdles with all the editor stuff, but will be happy to explain things to you if necessary. We are working very hard to ensure that the look and feel of notes do not change, while at the same time improving the predictability of the editing experience. These 2 goals are in natural tension, and sometimes addressing one side causes issues on the other side. Both goals are important, so we are working on both. Any information you can provide to help us achieve these goals for you would be much appreciated. Sometimes just a single sample ENEX file will help unlock a creative solution to advance both goals -- the preservation of the look and feel of your notes, and the improvement of the editing experience.

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6 minutes ago, kvitekp said:

Same here. Merged notes' headers rely on html tables for their layout. Unfortunately, in the current note editor table visualization is seriously broken: all tables that were not created with this editor are displayed as a set of narrow columns with lots of vertical white space which makes their content impossible to read. This affects a lot of existing clipped notes since using tables for layout purposes is very common.

This data loss case prevents me from using the current version because I have thousands of clipped notes that heavily rely on tables: for example, a few hundred notes with clips of electronic part orders that I need to refer to every now and then. Hopefully this problem will be fixed before the release.

Is this a display thing or a my-notes-are-corrupted thing?

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On 5/13/2017 at 5:51 PM, gustavgi said:

It doesn't seem like the notes were altered just by viewing them as altered. But I didn't edit any of them so I don't know if that would have made the changes stick.

In general, just viewing a "messed up" note or an altered note will note persist the changes. However, if you edit a "messed up" note in that form, the "messed up" note look and feel will be saved to the database, you will have to use note history to recover the correctly rendered form of the note.

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17 minutes ago, kvitekp said:

Same here. Merged notes' headers rely on html tables for their layout. Unfortunately, in the current note editor table visualization is seriously broken: all tables that were not created with this editor are displayed as a set of narrow columns with lots of vertical white space which makes their content impossible to read. This affects a lot of existing clipped notes since using tables for layout purposes is very common.

This data loss case prevents me from using the current version because I have thousands of clipped notes that heavily rely on tables: for example, a few hundred notes with clips of electronic part orders that I need to refer to every now and then. Hopefully this problem will be fixed before the release.

Pete can you give some ENEX files so I can test? We should not be touching any tables in web clips, emails, and several other note characteristics that we check for.

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On 5/13/2017 at 7:23 PM, csihilling said:

 I don't remember a Public RC for this 6.6 Beta?  

Anyway, if you are going to have Public Betas they should to all intents and purposes be ready for prime time with the expectation to ID any fringe issues.  Buyer beware, but one should be able to assume the easy stuff has been found and your data is secure.  Public Beta is a broad swath for chaos.  EN needs to beef up the alpha and RC process including cross platform testing;  The recent IOS release still hoses up notes with tables in them.

We've been having this conversation for a long time..  unfortunately.  Not meaning to pile on EN, but someone needs to fix their broken quality process.

 

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The recent IOS release still hoses up notes with tables in them.

Are you talking about the 8.2.2 beta? If so, please provide me or support some sample ENEX files so we can fix this issue. You should see further improvements in the next beta of 8.2.2 on iOS

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On 5/13/2017 at 7:36 PM, csihilling said:

Just did a quick test, it seems the format gets changed when you edit the note.  

  1. Did a copy/paste from a web site to a new note on 6.5.  It did not format correctly on 6.6.  
  2. Modified it on 6.6 and now it does not format correctly on 6.5.  
  3. Actually, if I copy the same content and save it to a new note on 6.6 it does not format correctly.  So adding new stuff may be problematic as well.  
  4. The content is actually highlighting @Chantal Leonard's first post and then copy/paste.

Not an exhaustive test, but repeatable.  And something one might expect in a test script somewhere, at least for step 3.  :(

Thanks for the steps to reproduce this. There must be something the HTML of this forum specifically that is not accounted for in the current beta build. I will try to come back and provide details on the root cause of the problem. Any other examples of broken formatting from externally pasted content would be helpful, if the same pasted content looked good in 6.5.

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12 minutes ago, EdH said:

Is this a display thing or a my-notes-are-corrupted thing?

It is a display thing, unless you save and sync the note, then it will persist the problem. If you are still seeing this issue, please provide a sample ENEX file and we can determine what is going on and fix it. This is a very high priority issue and I am really interested in any examples that can be provided.

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On 5/13/2017 at 7:58 PM, N. Lum said:

Because of all the changes that are not worth the upgrade, I went back to 6.5.4 version.  It's not worth testing out the update.  I was excited about the changes, but I will wait for the general release.

Can you clarify which changes are not worth the upgrade? Any help or details you could provide would much appreciated!

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6 minutes ago, rechnergott said:

Hey all, 

Another report here - when moving text from one cell to another, it randomly merges some cells and makes them un-editable. 

Please see a screenshare here: https://www.screencast.com/t/eHBSJr8RG4gP

 

Thanks, we are aware of this issue. However, I believe this has always been a bug in earlier versions of Evernote for Windows. Unfortunately, it is a bug with the embedded browser that we use to render the notes. We are working on a way to improve the drag/drop of content.

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On 5/14/2017 at 0:46 AM, csihilling said:

Nice.  ;)

That is the crux, clearly stated.  In good conscience I don't think they did know the serious bugs.  And therein lies the problem.  

Take the formatting issue, it's not like you have to work hard to find the problem.  It doesn't work within the beta when doing a copy/paste from a web page, let alone a user formatted note from the previous version.  Call the steps what you want, that sort of issue should not be seen by the public.  My view anyway.

When you say "it doesn't work within the beta when doing a copy/paste from a web page" -- can you provide some example web pages. Or is this the case for all web pages for you? We have indeed tested with many web pages, but more examples are always appreciated!

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On 5/14/2017 at 0:56 AM, csihilling said:

Per the above, here are screen clips of highlight and copy (Ctrl-C) then paste into a new note using 6.5 and 6.6.  6.5 is a nice replica of the actual source page (above), 6.6 not so much.  

The 6.5 view still displays okay in 6.5 as long as you don't modify the note in 6.6.  So if you are using the beta don't modify any web page notes, at least the copy/paste variety.  Clipper seems to be okay.

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Thank you for this example, I am looking into it -- did you have more examples?

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18 hours ago, EdH said:

thank you thank you thank you thank you...

 

Not a fan of the half inch dead margin on the left. Why do this?

Two things I've noticed:

  1. The "don" on "don't" isn't shown as a misspelled word. Oh wait. Never mind. "aren" in "aren't" is shown as misspelled. never mind.
  2. It seems that if you have "put focus of new note in subject line" checked it doesn't constantly take you from the note body to the subject line. Will have to experiment further, but so far, so good.

 

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Not a fan of the half inch dead margin on the left. Why do this?

This is to allow the table row headers and dots to appear to the left of the table when your keyboard cursor is in the table, while at the same time aligning the left edge of the table to the left edge of surrounding paragraphs. Otherwise, the table row controls would not be visible, or the table would have to "jump" when you start editing it, or the controls would have to be less advanced, or more compressed, etc... this is the current thinking.

 

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The "don" on "don't" isn't shown as a misspelled word. Oh wait. Never mind. "aren" in "aren't" is shown as misspelled. never mind.

I'm not sure what you mean here -- what is the desired behavior? And what exactly is it doing?

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29 minutes ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

It is a display thing, unless you save and sync the note, then it will persist the problem. If you are still seeing this issue, please provide a sample ENEX file and we can determine what is going on and fix it. This is a very high priority issue and I am really interested in any examples that can be provided.

How in the world do I create a note and then not save and sync it.?

 

All I did in that example was create three notes with fake text, then merged them, to show what I was seeing in real notes. I've already deleted the merged note but it is in my trash. I can undelete it tomorrow when I get back to my PC. On my Mac right now and not sure the ENEX would be the same.

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18 hours ago, EdH said:

It happened in iOS too. Someone there has a real margin agenda for some reason. 

Put that person in charge of the blackberry product and leave the windows/Mac/iOS platforms alone. 

I replied to this in a few other places, but wanted to clarify again. This is to allow the table row headers and dots to appear to the left of the table when your keyboard cursor is in the table, while at the same time aligning the left edge of the table to the left edge of surrounding paragraphs. Otherwise, the table row controls would not be visible, or the table would have to "jump" when you start editing it, or the controls would have to be less advanced, or more compressed, etc... this is the current thinking.

What do you suggest?

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17 hours ago, keisoko said:

One of the ways I use Evernote is to keep a record of audiobooks I am listening to. To do this, I setup the notebook stack Sci-Fi and Fantasy Audiobooks that contains two notebooks: Series and Standalone. Notes in these notebooks include the picture(s) of the book(s) cover(s) and unformatted numbered list which consist of the book title, its synopsis, book length and checkbox that denotes whether audiobook has been listened to. Today, when I went to stack to see if it got affected by the latest beta, I discovered the presence of mysterious one cell tables where no tables have been before. The tables encompass book synopsis but sometimes might also extend onto the title. Why are the tables there? It is very strange to me. I know I can use copy/cut and paste to make notes look the way I want, just thought to put it out there to make Evernote aware of this bug, so it is not repeated in the future.  When I have 31 notes in Series notebook (with multiple entries in each note)  and 20 notes in a Standalone notebook (the situation are a lot better here) it is a lot of work to make thing right. Below are examples of what I described. 

Series:

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Standalone:

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I think I know what might be going on here. Those tables were probably there all along because they existed in the HTML where you copied them from, but they had formatting that made the table structure invisible. With these new table enhancements in this release, the note editor is preparing those table for more advanced editing. In this case, you probably don't need that advanced table editing on these single cell tables. We try to identify tables that are likely to be content that users want to edit as tabular sets of information, as opposed to tables that are used for purely layout and positioning purposes. I'm not sure what the best way to handle a situation like this -- can you provide the location where this content was copied from?

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Long avaited tables are finally there. Some small glitches:

1. when adding a horizontal line to a colored cell, the lines backround stays white.

Also I witnessed a fix for "format to text". Usually it added an extra paragraph, which needed to cut out manually. This seems to be fixed now.

 

Great work - thank you!

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13 hours ago, Manya70 said:

I don't mind the Table enhancements. I was not really waiting or expecting these changes but I do like what I see and can see me using them in the future.

But I have found a problem with a 3rd party app that I use called "SMS to Evernote". Since I upgrading to Beta, the SMS messages in Evernote are unreadable although I can see them perfectly in Evernote Web...I guess the Android App developer uses some sort of tables in the upload to Evernote.. Not Sure...

Thanks for mentioning this -- can you post a screenshot or a sample ENEX file so we can take a look at the problem?

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11 hours ago, pepr said:

Hi,

Still can't understand why when i edit a word that has an URL instead of maintaining the word the new URL is pasted....someday you said ths is normal but don't see why.

I use some templates with repeating structures and titles, i want to maintain the title word but not the URL that this has assigned, previously this was working fine form me...

Can you provide some more details and example steps of how to reproduce the problem. I'm sorry, but I cannot understand exactly what is being described here.

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1 hour ago, JohnLongney said:

@DTLow indeed, as with Evernote one has to belong to The Club to humour and tolerate their novel approach to 'improvements'.  

Managed to talk a neighbour into a trial installation on his machine (had shown interest in Evernote previously). As a matter of fact he was quite impressed with the features I showed  him on my notebook such as webclipping, upload of pictures, merging notes, editing, so ahead he went with 6.5----. So, when I told him what the latest Beta promised and what it actually produced he would not believe it. The print-out of my wonderful test note with the nicely formatted table did not convince him (can't be true, must be printer low on ink). I knew  he would snap at the bait. Beta successfully installed. New note with table created,sent to his printer. Came back, laughing, '..... syndrome striking'. Young man in his early thirtees from Greece.

@JohnLongney I understand you are having problems printing the background colors on table cells -- we are working on this issue.

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Image Gallery is a cool feature, however it breaks my workflow because i need certain image processing software to handle images in notes.

Are there plans to make Image Gallery optional so that users, who prefer standard Windows double click behavior (which is "open the default application registered for the clicked file extension", can get it back?

 

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2 minutes ago, kvitekp said:

Image Gallery is a cool feature, however it breaks my workflow because i need certain image processing software to handle images in notes.

Are there plans to make Image Gallery optional so that users, who prefer standard Windows double click behavior (which is "open the default application registered for the clicked file extension", can get it back?

 

You're making me laugh over here...

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

What version of iOS? Have you tried the 8.2.2 beta? If you mean that the tables on iOS are not fixed width, but instead are the width of the note editor window, then that is by design for now. We are working to transition tables to fixed widths on all platforms. During the transition, some platforms will still be using variable width tables that match the width of the note editor window. However, the columns should be proportionally the same across apps. So, for example, if you make a column on the PC twice as wide as the others, it should still be twice as wide as the others on iOS, even if the table is a different total width.

IOS 10.3.1 and no I have not tried the 8.2.2 beta, don't know how to access.  This was in reference to text within a column.  For example, on the PC the word Company fits in the column as one line, on the phone it ends up being two lines, the y wrapping to a second line.  So not a "proportional" fit of font and column width across the two devices.  Also, I spoke too early, table formats are still getting removed from notes IOS for me.

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

If you have an example ENEX file we can see if it was changed before this release. In general, older tables that have not had their _total_ width adjusted, should start as 792 px wide in this release on Windows, while keeping columns proportionally wide relative to each other. If they have had their total width adjusted before this release to be less than 100% of the note editor window, then they should now have a total fixed width of less than 792 px, at a scale proportional to the percentage width they were of the note editor window.

Will PM an ENEX to you.  The code says 50% column width, but it appears to be displaying at 25% and the column widths are the same.  Whereas on 6.5.the table does appear to be 50% of the note window and the column widths are different, as they are supposed to be.  I created a fixed width template for this type of table sometime in 2015, I think.

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In previous versions of Evernote when clicking and dragging the picture adjustment indicator on the selected picture, pictures next to selected picture moved together with the image being adjusted. It made it easier to position all of them at the same height. Now, when I make the adjustment, the images move independently, and I have to rely on my eyes to make sure they are at the same height. I do not know if it is a bug or a new way of doing things, but it was a lot easier before. Reference notebook stack "Sci-Fi and Fantasy Audiobooks," notebook in a stack: Series.

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10 minutes ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

I think I know what might be going on here. Those tables were probably there all along because they existed in the HTML where you copied them from, but they had formatting that made the table structure invisible. With these new table enhancements in this release, the note editor is preparing those table for more advanced editing. In this case, you probably don't need that advanced table editing on these single cell tables. We try to identify tables that are likely to be content that users want to edit as tabular sets of information, as opposed to tables that are used for purely layout and positioning purposes. I'm not sure what the best way to handle a situation like this -- can you provide the location where this content was copied from?

 

The information was copied from Audible.com. I have an account with them, and this is where I get all my information from that resides in the stack I mentioned. I do not know if you be able to search it without creating an account but give it a try. For more reference here is the links to notebooks in Sci-Fi And Fantasy Audiobooks stack: Series and Standalone.

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

This could be the symptom of another bug breaking something else in the editor with some notes. Can you reproduce this problem on all notes? Or just some notes? Can you provide an ENEX file of a note where it can be reproduced? Any help you can provide to uncover the cause of this will help us to get it fixed.

Does not happen on all notes.  The next time it happens I will send the ENEX.

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

It was not in 6.5. We added it in 6.6 because of the new table UI -- the gray row headers and dots -- that appear to the left of the table when your cursor is inside the table. Without the margin on the left, those UI elements would not be fully visible. This way, the left edge of the table can align to the left edge of surrounding paragraphs, and the new table UI can be visible when necessary, and the table does not have to "jump" when interacting with it.

Got it.  Downside to that is that every other note is also indented, probably more of those than notes with tables???  Anyway, why not have the UI elements on the right of the table?

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On 5/29/2017 at 0:16 AM, gazumped said:

Anyone looked at public shares lately?  I shared a note and then opened the public link to see what it looked like.  Seems to me it opens in Presentation Mode first,  then if you click the little square button (which doesn't have a pop-up tool tip that I saw) it flips to 'standard' view - which is pretty much a letterbox view on screen.  Acres of wasted space.

...but if you wait for long enough the rest of the note comes through and you can see the whole content.

What's up with that?

These are the controls on first view - the little square page doesn't have a pop-up explanation.

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And if you find presentation mode too big (it is very big: YMMV) you can drop to a standard web view - which looks like the view from a letterbox

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There's a huge amount of wasted space and no sign we're waiting for anything...

Though you can go back to presentation via the icon (which does have a tooltip this time)

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Give the standard view a couple of minutes though and suddenly...

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It expands to fill the window - well downwards anyway...

But please change it from defaulting to Presentation Mode on first opening a link.  Visitors getting smacked in the face with 72-point type just isn't professional...

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Hi Gazumped,

just to let you know that few days ago I contacted the support team about this. After a relatively long investigation (they could not replicate the problem... they said...?), they finally told me that this is a FEATURE that it's being rolled out to users. No way, at this point, to opt out. You can see the note in Normal Mode if you logout from your web account, but then the webclipper would also log out.

FYI, I communicated how displeased I was with such "features" being forcefully imposed on users (and even more so as a paying user). A "sorry" is all I've got... :)

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2 hours ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

It is a display thing, unless you save and sync the note .....

Do you actually have to edit and sync the note to persist the change?   Or just view?

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

The editable line above the table allows you to put your cursor above the table, since you can no longer put your cursor to the left of the table

But if you click in that space you still open the table, if the table is the first thing in the note.

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

The table UI -- the row and columns headers -- should disappear when your keyboard cursor (not your mouse pointer) is out of the table. As long as your keyboard cursor is in a position that would allow you to type in the table, the table UI options are visible. If you are typing somewhere else in the note, they should not be visible. Can you clarify if this is the behavior you are seeing?

It is the behavior I am seeing, one has to click outside the table for the UI to disappear;.

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I uninstalled the previous version of Evernote (installed yesterday), re-started my computer (Toshiba Satellite S55-A5295, 1 T hard drive, 12 G RAM, 64-bit Windows 10), and installed this Beta version.  Same story that has plagued me for way more than a year or two, Evernote tries to synchronize but appears to crash without ever fully competing the synchronization process.  My log files are too large to attach.

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1 hour ago, Johnathan Hebert said:

The inter-cell paddings are not a configurable option. Can you clarify why it is worse on the phone? Is it because you prefer to see content more compressed on a phone so more fits on the screen?

I prefer the same, more compressed view on both platforms.  Phone is worse just because of less real estate for the display.  For example, I was using 4px for padding.  

BTW, since 6.6 had modified the template note, I had to recover the note from history to be sure of the 4px.  

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Two things (so far)

  • create a bullet list - try to add a table in the list.  No response to toolbar icon, but Format > Insert Table works
  • create a table in Excel - paste into Evernote.  All cell structure lost - just long list of cell entries posted as text. Option: paste a screen shot plus the file link,   but obviously all inline functionality is lost.  It's just a picture.
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