App Performance Issues: Slowness/Poor Responsiveness/Lag

On 10/5/2021 at 4:02 PM, PinkElephant said:

Maybe I am 99%, but I have no problems with my day to day use of the v10 client.

Where there still is a noticeable difference is on housekeeping tasks like moving or changing multiple notes at once, review of tags, reorganizing notebooks and similar. There v10 executes the same single note operation n times when n notes are selected.

About resources used: The framework in which EN is executing IS based on Chrome(Iim) - so no surprise it grabs itself a lot of resources. It is the browser, plus the app running inside of it (think of EN v10 as a browser extension), plus the apps data.

As I see it, there is only limited room for improvement on this setup. IMHO it is take it or leave it.

I fear your right about this, "...limited room for improvement on this setup... take it or leave it."  User interactions with the software used to be (Legacy version) virtually instantaneous.  Whatever fundamentally different architecture responsible for this degradation of performance and responsiveness should be immediately reevaluated.  If this can't be reconciled, I think Evernote's days are numbered.

I use the new Evernote on only one device -- my Android phone. 

Because it can take so incredibly long to start up that it becomes useless for quick notes, I started using the scratch pad, then transferring that to a note later.

Well guess what? Somehow the scratch pad ends up reporting conflicting versions. How does this make even the slightest bit of sense? What is it conflicting with, itself???

> Some long term users are put off, missing features

Speaking as a long-term user myself, and I think echoing many others here -- it's quite the opposite. We're objecting to the apparent focus on features over stability and usability (performance).

Thanks @PinkElephant-- so you are using Mac and iOS versions?

On 11/23/2021 at 6:49 PM, PinkElephant said:

The framework design is at the heart of v10 - I see no way how EN could reverse this.

From user reactions here in the forum I think it will show itself to be the key to ENs future. It has sped up the app development by a factor of 8-10 (counting release cycles). Some long term users are put off, missing features, but I think there are a lot of new users coming in. 

So as I say: We have to come to terms with it, or find another solution. Legacy can bridge it, but will not steal the show in the long run.

This is my independent opinion as a fellow user - I am not intertwined with EN except paying for my subscription.

Yep, I agree with you dear fellow friend ☺️
Honestly I must say, that there are great improvements. The new version got much closer to what Evernote has been to me in the past .... 

A few things.

My story is the same as most on the forum.

Currently using Legacy on windows till I can't any more.
Have stopped using on Android.

Really shocked that Evernote keeps declaring victory  and adding small little  features , at the time  we seem to be suffering. Maybe we aren't 1% maybe we are .01% 

Are there other places and forums of people with these issues? Or is this group  the people with larger Evernote DBs all find this thread and we really are just a small group, with thousands of other people with 50,000 notes quite happy on 10?

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I have read this thread and lots of discussion in terms of alternatives.

Before alternatives, now that I learned my lesson with proprietary formats,
what is the best way to export  notes and more importantly attachments in a clean and simple way. And I need the attachments linked to the note - or at least sharing the name of the notes. 

Any clean solution for this?

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Evernote really has over the last few year  become more of a file folder app for me. 

For scanning bills, receipts, instructions.
Forwarding all of my electronic bills etc. 
It has become less an active tool, and more an online storage DB.

The productivity space (todoist, asana, clickup) seem to have become my goto for clipper and forwarding of actionable things (like my Rocketbook)

Maybe when I look for a replacement I will focus more on the storage/file center space.

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Over all I am just really sad. I still remember Phil Libin talking about the 100 year company. 

Thank you both @CalSand @DTLow.

I may be in touch when I actually start making this move as it sounds like I may have some things to learn.

The guy who builds a 1 click tool for this export - would do pretty well

16 hours ago, CalS said:

 Not sure if it’s clean or not but I exported all my notes via HTMLto a folder set on OneDrive.  Structure is an EN folder for the EN notebooks and a new folder for the post EN documents under a main folder. I did it by full notebook to avoid dups.  Four notebooks with 50k+ notes moved to four folders.  I enabled Windows indexing for the main folder.

Upside is all attachments are linked to the notes and if you use the settings and include tags the files are eminently searchable.  Like fast search.  Downside is 45 character file names and a lot of files based upon icons and images in emails or clips.  Like 300k files for 50k notes.  

Full disclosure I also bought a sub to Directory Opus which is a very high powered replacement for Explorer.  Put my saved searches there.  And BoxCryptor for encryption of what used to be in local notebooks.  And WorkFlowy for note taking and tasks.  Easy to create links in WF to docs on OneDrive when need be  

Obviously more moving pieces than EN but way better performance for my use case than V10.  Though more care and feeding as I “own” the backend.  I dropped my sub to EN in December.

Six weeks in and I am doing well.  I’ve added 500 plus docs to the new structure.  Still ironing out a few kinks and streamlining a bit, but I don’t think I’m that far off my previous productivity with 6.25. YMMV
 

This is exactly the type of user that Evernote is happy to get rid of.  There's probably under 1000 people in their entire subscription base that are this sophisticated (perhaps way less).  For every user like this who leaves they can probably count on 10-100 new users who are going to use EN for storing recipes, jotting down notes, clipping interesting items etc.  I would put myself squarely in the middle of these user groups ie: I use EN as a vast depository of pdf, excel and other files but in the context of a highly organizational system which runs my personal life and business.  This winds up being under 10,000 notes, 5 note books, 150 tags.  All of this is quite manageable with v10 especially if they correct some of the missing features.

12 hours ago, CalS said:

... but can't do that anymore, with EN, unless 6.25.1 lives forever....  Not likely.  😢

At the end we might use Legacy forever - but only locally if they stop syncing on server side 😞 😞 

On 1/19/2022 at 7:25 PM, DTLow said:

I actually used export in enex format because I was moviing to another service that supported that format on import   

Are you trying out a new service or officially moving?

On 1/19/2022 at 1:52 PM, akrasna said:

alternatives.

I haven't exported anything yet as I had been using EN as my "place to dump everything and anything." So it is messy to begin with. I believe Notion has an export from EN function. It is on my to try list. Notion has a learning curve, but once you figure out the key basics and how to use the database (attach files, add tags to individual "entries"), oh boy 😍, it is beautiful and doing something that I didn't know I wanted. 

What is your EN file like? Text + attachment? (so I can add to that my test list)  

9 hours ago, Amy Lin said:

I believe Notion has an export from EN function.

That function has failed for me, miserably. It would grab a limited set of notes (50, IIRC) and give up after that. Every time I tried.

Please let us know in case you should get better results.

37 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

I agree. It may be that for very large notebooks there is a limit of the maximum file size of the export file (in the range of some GB per file). But it will work, it will just split the export into several files.

For the Notion import, I selected one single notebook. The result was, just 50 notes.

48 minutes ago, agsteele said:

p.s. It is possible to tweak the system settings to work with more than the 50 note default. But you compromise performance for the larger number of notes.

How to ... please?

18 minutes ago, PinkElephant said:

It can probably be done in a similar way on a PC, have not tried.

Looks like on Windows 10, the file name is:

"C:\Users\<username>\AppData\Roaming\Evernote\config.json"

I'll try this out (probably tomorrow) & will report back.

Thanks very much, PinkElephant!

3 hours ago, agsteele said:

Evernote v10 has a default limit of 50 notes per export if you do this by selecting NOTES and then exporting but there is a way around this. Export by NOTEBOOK.

Is the same process used for exporting from EN Legacy?

1 hour ago, agsteele said:

This is the file on Windows. It will work up to a maximum of 1,000 BUT you must expect a very long processing time with 1,000 notes. Far better to go via the export a notebook approach which is speedy.

Tried the Notion import from Evernote right now with the modified config.json file (limit 500), and it did not make a difference. I'm still only seeing 50 notes pulled into Notion.

I think I might have figured out why the new Evernote is so slow and laggy for me. Laggy to the point of being unusable; it's as if every character I type has to go to the server for validation and back before it appears on my screen. I can sometimes type an entire sentence and be on the 10th word before anything appears on the screen.

I think it's because each of my notes is so big.

Here's how I use EN: I manage about 25 different documentation projects, and each project has a note in EN. Whenever I work on a project, I enter the to-do list, task descriptions, and other notes, in a dated entry. So basically each note is like a blog for the project, where I have a running history of the work done. Notes run anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 words at this point, because some of those projects have been running for six years or more.

So I think that's the problem; the notes are too big. I'm not going to change my process, so obviously I have to find another notes application.

I'm just noting this here for the sake of other people who have severe lag problems; it might be because your notes are too large.

6 minutes ago, Blork said:

I'm just noting this here for the sake of other people who have severe lag problems; it might be because your notes are too large.

Thankyou, that is really useful. I think EN has always worked better for small notes. These can be linked together with TOC notes, but there is no option for something similar to navigate around a big document. I think you are probably right to move away from EN if you rely on large notes - I'm sure there are better options out there for that. Good luck.

40 minutes ago, Blork said:

I think I might have figured out why the new Evernote is so slow and laggy for me. Laggy to the point of being unusable; it's as if every character I type has to go to the server for validation and back before it appears on my screen. I can sometimes type an entire sentence and be on the 10th word before anything appears on the screen.

I think it's because each of my notes is so big.

Here's how I use EN: I manage about 25 different documentation projects, and each project has a note in EN. Whenever I work on a project, I enter the to-do list, task descriptions, and other notes, in a dated entry. So basically each note is like a blog for the project, where I have a running history of the work done. Notes run anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 words at this point, because some of those projects have been running for six years or more.

So I think that's the problem; the notes are too big. I'm not going to change my process, so obviously I have to find another notes application.

I'm just noting this here for the sake of other people who have severe lag problems; it might be because your notes are too large.

How many Notes do you have in total? 

On 1/23/2022 at 2:29 AM, w8rn8r said:

That function has failed for me, miserably. It would grab a limited set of notes (50, IIRC) and give up after that. Every time I tried.

Please let us know in case you should get better results.

I haven't tried the Import from Evernote option. I just did a quick test and was able to import 308 notes from a notebook using the HTML import function. However, Notion couldn't locate the images (they are in the exported folders from Evernote). I haven't looked closely to see if there are other problems. 

37 minutes ago, Amy Lin said:

How many Notes do you have in total? 

Only 140 notes, but probably about 30 of them are in the 18-20,000 word range, and most others are at least 5000 words.

33 minutes ago, Blork said:

Only 140 notes, but probably about 30 of them are in the 18-20,000 word range, and most others are at least 5000 words.

Interesting finding!  My notes are mostly either one liner or a paragraph, but I have over 13000 notes. V10 seems to be slightly better than before, but still not as good as Legacy in terms of loading up the Note window to quickly jot down notes. 

I do not believe that this is the reason.  I use EN legacy and EN v10 and I have many notes that contain 10-20 pdfs with hundreds to thousands of pages.  I also have multiple travel related notes with dozens of photographs, web clippings etc.  I have not had any issues such as this.

> links to all related notes

Tangentially.. I haven't done a systematic survey, but in recent days I've noticed that my note links are no longer working. (Formerly created in legacy, trying to use now in legacy)

35 minutes ago, jdmarch said:

Tangentially.. I haven't done a systematic survey, but in recent days I've noticed that my note links are no longer working. (Formerly created in legacy, trying to use now in legacy)

Just tested mine (Legacy) & they're working. Links are in the top 5 most important things for me in EN. Did I read somewhere that links don't work in V10???

I'm not the only one... Yes!  Glad to see this is being discussed. After a few months hanging onto Evernote Legacy, thought I'd try the new version again. Did notice more lagging. Thanks for the help!

Moving, finally.

Evernote Android version has been less and less reliable lately and by doing parallel work with another solution, I could see I do not need the anguish of EN different bugs and uncertain development.

I still have a yearly subscription, so I am in no hurry to export all my 40 000+ notes. I'll just go slowly.

The other solution has some defaults and do not look as "nice" as Evernote. But the developers do respond to comments and wish lists. And the features do work.

That's all I was asking for.

4 minutes ago, fredhammersmith said:

The other solution ...

Care to share what you went with? I'm saving the various options (in an EN page - LOL) for when I'll potentially need to make the move. I don't like the current level of uncertainty but moving to another company's solution also brings risk.

3 minutes ago, RL7836 said:

Care to share what you went with? 

Yes, many of us are trying to assess our options, and would appreciate the info. This forum is one place where those can be discussed thoughtfully.

On 1/24/2022 at 10:13 PM, PinkElephant said:

@Blork It is known from other forum reports that v10 is not happy about large text based notes. As you observe it’s way of syncing makes it slow, and may even lead to duplication when notes are growing.

Currently there is only one medicine: Split the  large notes into smaller ones. If it is for example a continuous, daily growing text, make it a bunch of weekly or monthly notes.

To hold them together you can insert a table of content note with links to all related notes. You can insert a link into each note as well, to jump to the next or the prior note.

Maybe give it a try on one of your projects.

I don't know if this works since I've been doing it empirically but I cull my largest notes down by storing the data in google drive.  I use EN as a data management system and have been doing this for over 12 years.  For example, every statement that I receive is scanned (or exported online) into a pdf note that is stored in EN.  Every account that I have in my personal and business life gets one note with multiple pdfs (usually monthly statements, payrolls, purchases, inventory etc).   Each of these notes accumulate thousands of pages within the pdfs by the end of the year.   If I let these sit year after year there would be a huge amount of data in these notes.  Therefore, every year I use Adobe Acrobat to concatenate all of the year's pdfs into large files which I then store in Google drive.  For example, 12 months of employee timesheets (1200 pages becomes one pdf file which is sent to Gdrive).  I usually leave a placeholder entry in the "empty note" to remind me that the real meat sits in Gdrive.  It takes a few minutes per note to do this and I always make a point of doing it at the end of each year so that EN does not become a giant depositary of archival data.  Has this made my EN any faster? I have no idea because I haven't tested the alternative but based on the comments above it seems a good bet.

1 hour ago, RL7836 said:

Care to share what you went with? I'm saving the various options (in an EN page - LOL) for when I'll potentially need to make the move. I don't like the current level of uncertainty but moving to another company's solution also brings risk.

1 hour ago, jdmarch said:

Yes, many of us are trying to assess our options, and would appreciate the info. This forum is one place where those can be discussed thoughtfully.

I've been working with Nimbus for a while now. Seems very solid although i find the Android interface could be improved (small fonts, unflattering design). Exporting is weak (although they promised to improve this). 

@Cals: ... OneDrive, Windows Indexing, BoxCryptor, Directory Opus and finally WorkFlowy ... 

Great work - but seems complicated and somewhat hard to maintain if one of these tools will go to die anytime in future (like EN-Legacy). Hope I won't have to come back to your suggestion. 🙏

Sounds like @CalS and some others here have reached the same point I did in Sept 2021. I briefly mentioned what I'm using earlier in this thread, but let me give some details on the conversion, in case it's useful for anyone else. I'm now into month 6 and am quite happy with my choice.

• I was a 12+ year EN user on Win and Android with ~15GB of data (22.5k notes)
  • I found EN v10 to be an entirely different program (not functional for me) and used Legacy as long as I could
  • My files are pretty heavy on PDFs, spreadsheets and Rocketbook scans
• I chose Obsidian, which reads Markdown files in a system file structure. Any folder can be opened in Obsidian.
  • Obsidian has a free (personal) and paid (business) options. Integrated Sync is a paid add-on or you can use a free option. Publish is a paid add-on. All the paid things are very reasonable.
    • You own your data. You are not locked into a proprietary file format. You can open your files in any program that reads MD, at any time. I've been playing with Typora for prettier print formatting.
    • MD is simple markup and there is a live preview editor.
  • A lot of my PDFs and images went into my GDrive separately (more info below)
• STEP 1 - I installed Obsidian and tweaked the UI, added themes and  functionality (for calendars, tasks, templates, note refactoring, backlinks, etc.) via the Plugins. I'm still tweaking, but I like to tinker.
• STEP 2 - The conversion was a good time to review and actually consider structure. My EN account had grown organically, so it was a hot mess. I had 12 years of poor practices to deal with: I updated tags, rearranged folders, and renamed a TON of files that had characters MD disallows ("/" in a title, for example, will break links), as well as some internal EN links. I had thousands of auto-titled PDFs that I couldn't identify without opening, but didn't touch (they were handled pretty smoothly by the conversion). I spent 3 weeks tinkering. YMMV and will probably take far less time.
• STEP 3 - Export each notebook to .enex (this gave me separate folders, which act as functionally independent Obsidian Vaults - that was a decision, not a requirement).
  • I converted only 2 years of notes + some evergreen ones.
    • All my old data continues to live in my EN account, on a Basic plan. I now return to it once every week or two, when I realize I missed an evergreen note in the transfer. It's close to being an archive now.
  • Earlier I tried exporting to .html and can see how that could be a useful archive. Unfortunately, my poor practices, noted above, made this method not viable for me.
• STEP 4 - Converted the .enex files via the YARLE tool, which allowed me to bulk convert how tags are handled, how internal links work, how attachments are stored, add custom meta data, etc. Pretty easy. Steps 3 - 4 can take a couple minutes to half an hour+, depending on your file size.
  • Created and Modified date stamps are preserved. That was important for me.
• STEP 5 - Opened each converted folder in Obsidian. Got to work!
• (Optional) STEP 6 - Set up synching to my GDrive (there are several options)
  • In an attempt to keep my main Vault a little more lean, I keep a category of attachments in a separate GDrive folder . Those files may be deleted in 2 years anyway. I'm able to create links in Obsidian to GDrive attachment folders or individual files. Additionally, I'm finding it easier to share that data with others via GDrive than with EN.
    • I have more than one Obsidian vault, some live on my C drive, others on the network. I have them all backed up to the NAS.
• (Optional) STEP 7 - Installed Obsidian for mobile, set up sync with one of the options and opened my Vault. Got to work.

The biggest changes for me were rethinking how to structure things, which improved retrieval, attachment handling, sharing and syncing. Obsidian works for a lot of different structure options. You can search the community forum for Knowledge Management - Zettelkasten, IMF, PARA, evergreen notes, etc.

The only things Obsidian doesn't do is OCR inside of PDFs or allow you to set up auto capture via email rules. The forums have suggestions for academic PDF attribution programs that may be useful. This hasn't been an issue for me so far, but I might need to explore it later. I figured out how to work around auto inclusion via email, which has slimmed down my files. Of course there are other differences. I haven't explored voice notes, since I never use them.

Obsidian is a far more flexible tool than EN. I loved the flexibility of EN before v10, but now realize I was actually fitting my workflow to the tool, rather than adjusting the tool to my work flow, as I'm doing now with Obsidian.

Last thing - I also have a personal EN account, which I'm still using. The android app really only works for capture at this point. I've restructured it to convert, but haven't done so yet.

23 hours ago, CalS said:

Thanks for the detail. 

Funny, HTML was a boon for me, saving me from my poor practices.  I exported all my notes to four folders, after a couple of missteps.  With windows indexing/search I can access poorly named PDFs via the HTML file.  In addition, all EN tags and source links in notes are searchable as well.  

Glad you got yours sorted.

You're right about the tags and source links being pretty searchable as, but I often need to go back and amend notes. An HTML export is more of a fixed record. Maybe there's a way to use that export I didn't consider. I might work for my personal account, which is much simpler. My poor practices also included notes with duplicate titles (ditto attachment titles), I constantly alternated between one note per thought, and many thoughts in one note with lots of tags linking to notes in many folders, and a too complicated folder structure.    I was my own worst enemy. 😃 Not only did I ***** myself by linking to titles with characters that need to be escaped, but many of my EN alias links broke or started pointing to EN in the browser. There may have been a script for that, but at some point I just had to go for it and switch.

I feel like my workflow is pretty solid now. Giving myself a little bit of structure helped. I really only need to use Obsidian, GDrive and my NAS (also has a cloud backup), but I have options. I have a play Vault that syncs to DropBox via Dropsync. Forgot to say that I'm using the GDrive scan where I used to use the EN android doc capture. The former works pretty nicely, where the latter honestly did shine.

I'll check out BoxCrypter. Thanks for that tip.

On 2/2/2022 at 11:24 PM, 10gallonhat said:

but let me give some details on the conversion

@10gallonhat Bless you - I know it took a lot of effort to break it down - but I and I am sure others appreciate it. Do you guys think it is worth it to make a new Thread about  methods of migrating away from Evernote? So we can focus on that? OR has this thread  De-facto become that .

13 hours ago, CalS said:

Different strategy for me.  I did not intend to edit any of the EN data.

That's the thing. Some of my data is a record, which would have been great as html (and not lazy at all), some is notes that I sometimes amend and some is what I consider live docs. Those are things like SOPs, which get updated periodically. I also have to keep historical versions of those (something EN excels at). Changing to a different platform may require considering not only how much data you have, but what type and how you use it. Using EN let me not think about the differences, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

14 hours ago, CalS said:

When you export by notebook to folder duplicate notes get a number appended to the resultant file set.  Only four notebooks for 50 k notes helped.

True. I had too many folders, which broke a bunch of my interlinking, even in html. Now I have one per year. I have to use/share data on a rolling 12-18 month schedule, so yes, that would still break things if I exported years separately, but it's far better. I have so many docs each year that putting it all in one folder doesn't work.

14 hours ago, CalS said:

16 hours ago, 10gallonhat said:

many of my EN alias links broke or started pointing to EN in the browser.

Thus far if I click on an EN link in one of the HTML files the note in 6.25 EN desktop opens.

My links in the html export worked (unless they were in a different year or got truncated, which some did). I think some of my links were from back in the period (8 years ago?) when EN randomly changed their link handling, then changed it back a couple months later.

14 hours ago, CalS said:

this all proves that there are multiple ways to exit EN if one really has to, use case demands and all that.  Version 625.1 is still the best product sort of on the market IMO.

There are, but it's difficult to figure out what the best way is for you. Personally, I don't like my data to be in a proprietary format. If you're locked in, then any swap becomes painful. The more input methods, file types, internal links, time and size you have into any program complicates things. Having some sort of use case and basic structure in mind is helpful (even on EN).

If EN had stuck to the 625.1 path I wouldn't have left. It's easy to use for multiple input methods and in terms of search-ability.

10 hours ago, akrasna said:

Do you guys think it is worth it to make a new Thread about  methods of migrating away from Evernote?

There is info all over the forums about other options. It can be tough to find and a lot of it is probably outdated at this point.

I'm a little dubious about starting that thread. I feel like it's a bit unfair to the forum, which is about USING EN. But, if you feel like it would be a useful topic on it's own, go for it. I don't know that the PTB (Powers That Be) at EN would delete it or anything, but that would be their prerogative.

On 1/21/2022 at 2:07 AM, CalS said:

Thanks, I think.  😉

I've kept my account live in Basic mode.  Should EN ever fix the speed issues I might be back. The UI productivity problems (so many clicks) can be hammered with AutoHotKey.  Can't fix the loss of local notebooks though.    🤷‍♂️

The latest version of Evernote 10 is faster. It's still not as fast as Evernote legacy, but it's definitely zippier. 

4 hours ago, Coffee First Thing said:

Thlatestst version of Evernote 10 is faster. It's still not as fast as Evernote legacy, but it's definitely zippier. 

My impression as well. I'm putting my considerations towards moving away to the back burner, for now.

12 hours ago, Coffee First Thing said:

The latest version of Evernote 10 is faster. It's still not as fast as Evernote legacy, but it's definitely zippier. 

Thank you. This may slow down my need to search for alternatives.

On a different (but related) note, is there a list of Legacy 'features' which do not appear in v10? (like offline notes, clipper(?), etc). Since EN will only highlight stuff they *have* in v10 & not the stuff they took out, I can't count on them for this list. I suspect that it's somewhere in the forum but likely in individual complaint posts.

16 minutes ago, RL7836 said:

I suspect that it's somewhere in the forum but likely in individual complaint posts.

I think you are right. Everybody's list of "essential" features will vary depending on their own preferences and use case. I don't really think there is any alternative to playing with it and seeing what is missing for the way that you use EN. If you don't want to download th desktop version you can always use the web version which is probably 90% the same as the desktop versions.

On 2/4/2022 at 10:38 AM, CalS said:

Not making any whose is better than whose points here, just explaining my use case.

Three quarters, 44.5k,  of my notes were PDFs and forwarded emails.  Another 4.3k were web clips.  These all fit well for the HTML strategy as they are static.  I had 1255 phone log notes which are basically table based.  To accommodate call logging going forward I created a Word template which is a click away.  Any phone logs I create now are searchable and display in the preview panel of Directory Opus, and frankly better as there is far more editing power.  So for sure use case begets the strategy.

I find it useful to hear different use cases and solutions. After reading about some of yours, I realize that I really was my own worst enemy. I was mixing too many types of things in a single note (text AND docs AND links AND a table, then going and altering them again later, etc), as if the note was a big container. It would have been better to have the text note and link to each additional note that contained some doc(s). My personal EN has mostly phone originated content, so short entries and not very mixed. If If do migrate that one, it will undoubtedly be an easier task. I suspect v10 wouldn't be too bad there.

You also point out something a lot of people underutilize: templates. I had some EN templates that were okay. They didn't fit my use cases very well. Now I have several well thought out ones in Obsidian, with preset tags, that make weekly notes, task handling, email or web capture, an a number of other things easier and cleaner for me.

On 2/4/2022 at 10:38 AM, CalS said:

I assume the opening in the window is due to all the notes being in the same folder.  Interesting.

That's a definite possibility. Links don't always behave as expected.

On 2/4/2022 at 10:38 AM, CalS said:

  On 2/4/2022 at 9:49 AM, 10gallonhat said:

I have so many docs each year that putting it all in one folder doesn't work.

I should have said one folder doesn't work because I have so many that don't have human readable titles (about 1500+ per year for over 10 years). I should have been renaming them, but didn't because I was being lazy and auto-emailing them into EN, which allowed me to just link them in various TOC notes. Unfortunately, the email subject lines could be REALLY long and got many links got truncated at export. Currently, I'm renaming each manually, but I have to sign them now, so I'm touching them anyway.

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I have a new project pin the ramp now and will be thinking about applying the new magic of Tasks to it.

Interesting. Maybe it would work to move my massive EN archives to a different platform, and consider using the new EN for more limited use-cases. Still haven't found a satisfactory Tasks app since Ecco died (around the turn of the century?)

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A company that starts to listen to its customers can make a revival - both emotionally and financially.

Nice when that happens...

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[Things 3] won’t touch Windows (or Android)

Afraid that rules it out for me.

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WorkFlowy.  It's a lot like Ecco in that it is an outliner...

Ooh, must try!

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[EN] V10 was still too slow and kludgy (so many clicks) for my use case. 

How long ago was that? There are some encouraging sounds emerging in this thread recently for V10 as long as the database is small.

First impressions of Workflowy are positive, for a clean, lean outliner.

Does anyone have any impression / evaluation of G Keep or MS OneNote for web clipping?

45 minutes ago, jdmarch said:

First impressions of Workflowy are positive, for a clean, lean outliner.

With Workflowy you can take notes on the fly and manage activities like a ninja, so much is light and fast.
It has not yet reminders and similar things, such as the specific programs for managing activities, nor can you use it well to store files, as has already been said by cals.
However, it can be used by gluing links to cloud storage services or at the same Evernote.
Through the tags you can use it for an availed GTD system.

1 hour ago, kuto said:

With Workflowy you can take notes on the fly and manage activities like a ninja, so much is light and fast.
It has not yet reminders and similar things, such as the specific programs for managing activities, nor can you use it well to store files, as has already been said by cals.
However, it can be used by gluing links to cloud storage services or at the same Evernote.
Through the tags you can use it for an availed GTD system.

I use both Workflowy and Evernote. But I prefer WF and use it for everything that WF can do at all. I only use EN for the shrinking remainder. 

BTW, every WF node has a unique URL, just like every EN note. Hence, you can link back and forth between WF and EN. 

Most relevant to the current thread, no WF upgrade has ever made the software worse. I'm sorry that EN can't say that.  

On 9/6/2021 at 9:08 AM, skellam said:

Long time evernote user since the app was first released.  Have loved it since then and been a paying user and apologist for EN with friends and family.  Haven't been on the forums for a while but v10 finally has worn me down.  It's unusable.  I never contemplated leaving EN in the past but have now exported all my notes and moved to Joplin.   Sure, it's open source and has some flaws but it has a simple, clean interface.  No feature bloat.  Finally, I'm able to use markdown natively in the app and any editor that I want to.   The web clipper to me does a great job and provides simple way to capture and tag content from the web.  A couple issues I had with being able to scan into the app and email into the app were resolved with open-source solutions.  I can store my data wherever I want to including Dropbox or even Nextcloud on my home NAS.  I can finally implement end-to-end encryption.   It's been a great run with EN but time to move on.    Hard to believe a company would release such a disastrous upgrade and force long-time loyal users off their platform.  

 

Steve

 

Thank you for mentioning Joplin! I had not come across it, and it's exactly what I was looking for. Did not want to switch to OneNote, because I like(d) Evernote (paid user since 2010). I just need an Evernote that works - which sounds like what Joplin is. I guess I'm still using v6.25 on Windows desktop, so I can only imagine the problems everyone else is reporting with v10. But the Android app is useless to me now, and there's no legacy option. For several months, it has choked when trying to load even a medium-length text-only file -- that I wrote on the earlier mobile client. That just can't go on.

With regrets, goodbye Evernote!

Thanks for the suggestion of WorkFlowy.

It is strange, though, in that it is always on top. If click on something else, in Windows, then it covers everything,  have to close it manually, is there a way around this?

I like its simplicity, the lack of icons, boxes and other clutter that EN is so fond of.

But its very slow, in Windows, if I close it. I don't think it works well in Windows.

I still prefer Legacy EN and will keep using it as long as I can!

9 hours ago, t8769 said:

Thanks for the suggestion of WorkFlowy.

It is strange, though, in that it is always on top. If click on something else, in Windows, then it covers everything,  have to close it manually, is there a way around this?

I like its simplicity, the lack of icons, boxes and other clutter that EN is so fond of.

But its very slow, in Windows, if I close it. I don't think it works well in Windows.

I still prefer Legacy EN and will keep using it as long as I can!

For WorkFlowy: in the up-right corner (three dots) - "unpin at top window".

You may use browser instead of app.

 

I had lost hope but...

The new Windows app seems to be really, really good.

I have not touched Legacy for a week.

And I started to look unfavorably at my switch to Nimbus.

If they can cure their Android app...

Maybe I will switch everything back to Evernote.

24 minutes ago, fredhammersmith said:

If they can cure their Android app...

I recently updated my iPhone & had horrible experience(s). Hopefully this was/is isolated ...

35 minutes ago, fredhammersmith said:

I had lost hope but...

The new Windows app seems to be really, really good.

I have not touched Legacy for a week.

And I started to look unfavorably at my switch to Nimbus.

If they can cure their Android app...

Maybe I will switch everything back to Evernote.

 

 

My feeling exactly: Windows for Evernote has finally arrived. I've been running Nimbus concurrently with Evernote and I won't be using Nimbus anymore.

Evernote for Android is still not fully fixed. 

There are two areas, in Android, that seems problematic to me.

The clipper is not working very well.

The sync. It seems to run on a random schedule, it stresses me out (in work situation).

Is it the same for others? Apart from that, it kind of work OK.

No, I was talking about Android. It was not an answer to your post.