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[starkos]

I've got Evernote set up like a wiki, with lots of cross-links between notes. I've been hunting for a while now but, best I can tell, 5.0 does not provide any way to navigate back to a note once you have followed a note link.

The previous version had back and forward buttons in the toolbar. Is there a keyboard shortcut or something I can use to navigate back? I don't see anything on the Knowledge Base article.

Thanks!

[Ganesha]

+1

@EN. Like Starkos I use EN in a Wiki-Style. For that I need the common browser buttons like 'back' and 'next'. It would be nice to get them into the icon bar and it would be nice to have an entry into the menu so that a user can assign a keybord shortcut.

[rcherny]

+1 ... myself and several others posted about this as well as several other features that have been removed, on several of the other beta threads. Overall I do like a lot of the enhancements in Version 5.0, but taking out a number of commonly used features seems an odd move... I also use Evernote like a Wiki a fair amount, and now that's somewhat crippled.

[johnny_j]

+1 !!!! I'm not going to upgrade until this feature gets reimplemented. I mean really.... removing features is a no-go.

[GrumpyMonkey]

+1 !!!! I'm not going to upgrade until this feature gets reimplemented. I mean really.... removing features is a no-go.

We normally lose features with major overhauls, so that should not come as a surprise. For example, the Lion overhaul took away the search explanations and most of the information density we had (now hidden behind the "i" icon). This overhaul took away the toolbar customizability (among other things). I am guessing that the developers are trying to pare down the app to the essential features that they believe users will actually incorporate into their use cases. They mean well, and I like the fact that they are actively rethinking the product, even if it happens to cause issues for my particular workflow.

And, don't forget, we also got some cool new stuff. I won't say it evens out, but it might be worthwhile to upgrade even without the buttons. I'd recommend giving it a try. And, hopefully the navigational tools will be returned to the app.

[yikeouch]

+1 !!!! I'm not going to upgrade until this feature gets reimplemented. I mean really.... removing features is a no-go.

We normally lose features with major overhauls, so that should not come as a surprise. For example, the Lion overhaul took away the search explanations and most of the information density we had (now hidden behind the "i" icon). This overhaul took away the toolbar customizability (among other things). I am guessing that the developers are trying to pare down the app to the essential features that they believe users will actually incorporate into their use cases. They mean well, and I like the fact that they are actively rethinking the product, even if it happens to cause issues for my particular workflow.

And, don't forget, we also got some cool new stuff. I won't say it evens out, but it might be worthwhile to upgrade even without the buttons. I'd recommend giving it a try. And, hopefully the navigational tools will be returned to the app.

Well, GM, I think you're too kind to the developers.
Yes, there are cool new stuff. But most of them are useless to my workflow. The new version just make things complicated. I do not refuse to change. But changes must be beneficial. Why do I have to change my workflow to a more complicated way when the develop team made a bad move? I switch between notes often. In previous version, I can do it with one to three clicks or key-ins . After "upgrading", it's so complicated and make me irritable.

We are not the experimental subjects of the develop team. They want to do major overhauls? Fine. Do a survey first. Just don't remove what we think useful to us and make s-hitty new version. I think the policy of not revealing roadmap has to change. List a wish list of users and let us vote.

Evernote is still the best note-taking app so far. But if they keep doing things like this "upgrade". I can't say I'll remain my loyalty.

[tboley]

Evernote is still the best note-taking app so far. But if they keep doing things like this "upgrade". I can't say I'll remain my loyalty.

Same to me. If removing features on which my complete workflow deepens, I will not renew my premium account next year.

[Carsten]

+1 , missing the back button (an the delete button)

[starkos]

I won't say it evens out, but it might be worthwhile to upgrade even without the buttons. I'd recommend giving it a try.

I spent several hours doing my best to understand the new UX. Some nice stuff in there, in particular the favorites, and pervasive live search is going to be über-handy (and Spotlight search is back—hooray!). But quite honestly—and I can't stress this enough—I'm crippled without the ability to quickly navigate between notes. To the point that I have taken the time and effort to roll back to the previous version.

I don't even need a toolbar button, just give me a keyboard shortcut.

[BMJT]

I love how this missing feature was mentioned heavily during the beta feedback over the past few weeks, and nothing has been done about it in the final release! Clueless idealogical devs charge on without a care for the actual users once again. *thumbs up*

[GrumpyMonkey]

+1 !!!! I'm not going to upgrade until this feature gets reimplemented. I mean really.... removing features is a no-go.

We normally lose features with major overhauls, so that should not come as a surprise. For example, the Lion overhaul took away the search explanations and most of the information density we had (now hidden behind the "i" icon). This overhaul took away the toolbar customizability (among other things). I am guessing that the developers are trying to pare down the app to the essential features that they believe users will actually incorporate into their use cases. They mean well, and I like the fact that they are actively rethinking the product, even if it happens to cause issues for my particular workflow.

And, don't forget, we also got some cool new stuff. I won't say it evens out, but it might be worthwhile to upgrade even without the buttons. I'd recommend giving it a try. And, hopefully the navigational tools will be returned to the app.

Well, GM, I think you're too kind to the developers.
Yes, there are cool new stuff. But most of them are useless to my workflow. The new version just make things complicated. I do not refuse to change. But changes must be beneficial. Why do I have to change my workflow to a more complicated way when the develop team made a bad move? I switch between notes often. In previous version, I can do it with one to three clicks or key-ins . After "upgrading", it's so complicated and make me irritable.

We are not the experimental subjects of the develop team. They want to do major overhauls? Fine. Do a survey first. Just don't remove what we think useful to us and make s-hitty new version. I think the policy of not revealing roadmap has to change. List a wish list of users and let us vote.

Evernote is still the best note-taking app so far. But if they keep doing things like this "upgrade". I can't say I'll remain my loyalty.

I'm not sure that the developers would agree with you that I am too kind to them! I imagine I am something of a thorn in their side, because years (?) after losing some features I am still whining about it

I generally don't agree with design decisions to remove features that are crucial to my use case / workflow, and a hesitancy to introduce features that exist in other clients but not in this one (http://discussion.ev...or-all-clients/), but I wanted to point out that the developers operate in a different environment than each individual user. They have to consider limitations in the Appleverse (the app store rules have caused all sorts of problems), the direction the company is going, the needs of 40 million + users, their aim to increase the user base, their need to consider other clients on Windows, iOS, etc., and their need to consider integrations like Skitch and Food. It's a major undertaking, and we still want them to leave room for innovation (things like the Shortcuts menu are nice).

I don't think they are experimenting with us. It's just that sometimes you hit a home run, and sometimes you don't. The difference between the two might be really tiny in the big scheme of things -- a few milliseconds in baseball, or a couple of tiny arrows in the UI. Hopefully, the future tweaking will put this back into the app. I think we ought to recognize the improvements while making it clear to the developers which features are needed going forward.

[starkos]

Sure, GM, I think most (not all) people get it. I, and most (not all) people are being pretty reasonable in their requests and their tone.

I'm a little concerned that the omission of these navigation buttons (can you imagine a web browser without a back button?) indicates that EN doesn't "get" the way I (and others apparently) use EN, or that they feel there aren't enough of us to care about. I do believe they will restore "back" navigation in some form, at some point in the future. But I am certainly reconsidering how much I rely on EN (it is far and away my most used tool), and whether there might be a more…congruent tool to use.

My premium membership doesn't run out for several months, and I've reverted back to the previous version already, so I can afford to be patient.

[Metrodon]

The back and forward buttons are interesting. I always felt that they were a kind of half hearted attempt to give people a little more of a web/wiki (with note links) feel. I'm not all that surprised that they took them away, I also wouldn't be all that surprised if they brought them back pretty much as they were.

[Phil Dean]

Thanks everyone for your feedback on this. Cannot promise anything but we are looking at adding this feature back along with other features we did not have time to add in the current release.

[Navarre]

In the meantime, how do I navigate through things like the Trunk in 5.0? If I clicked through to an app description, for example, I couldn't find a way to get back to the list I was looking at without clicking Trunk, Productivity, iPhone again.

[starkos]

Cannot promise anything but we are looking at adding this feature back

Yeah…speaking for myself, that's not really the answer I was looking for (see my previous comment).

[yikeouch]

Thanks everyone for your feedback on this. Cannot promise anything but we are looking at adding this feature back along with other features we did not have time to add in the current release.

And please add the feature to open note links in new windows back.
For those who use evernote as their wiki, I think it is an essential feature too.

[drjlabrabbit]

PLEASE bring back the BACK button- just like starkos that is a CRUCIAL part of my workflow to incorporate links to all of the reference notes that back up my arguments as I'm writing. My reference notes include pasted in data files and images, etc. that I need to be able to go back to and sometimes try different analyses. Having everything interlinked is one of the main reasons I've been preaching of Evernote's awesomeness to anyone who will listen...
PLEASE!!!

[Tom85]

+1, please bring back back or I have to go back

[DrewDavid]

+1 for back button