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GrumpyMonkey - hello Naomi. great to see you here. anything to tell us about evernote food? to be honest, i haven't tried the app yet. i keep downloading it, but never get around to using it! obviously, i am not a big foodie but, i do eat!
GrumpyMonkey - hey gb. good to see you here.
gbarry - I'm surprised you have time to eat.
GrumpyMonkey - i guess i get you guys all to myself
Naomi - Hi there!
GrumpyMonkey - hahaha. i'll paste today's menu here. just a second.
gbarry - I've been using it to catalog food truck events I go to, actually.
GrumpyMonkey - 1 bowl of "Honey Nut O's" cereal (120kcal, 15kcal from fat, protein 2g, A 15%, C 25%, Iron 50%, D 10%, Thiamin 25%, Riboflavin 25%, Niacin 25%, B6 25%, Folic Acid 50%, B12 25%, Zinc 10%)- 1 small coffee- 1 bagel with butter- 6 oz yogurt (160kcal, 15kcal fat, A 15%, C 10%, Calcium 20%, D 20%)- 1 small coffee and milk
Naomi - I'd love your feedback on the product once you have a chance to explore it
GrumpyMonkey - @gb sounds interesting, no food trucks here...
GrumpyMonkey - thanks naomi. i really need to give it a try.
gbarry there's another this Saturday, a 5K run with Food trucks at the end.
GrumpyMonkey as of wednesday (a presentation of my work) i am finally able to relax a bit and try new stuff.
Naomi - Yes, I use it for restaurants to snap a photo of each course and my fellow diner(s), especially for special occasion dinners
Naomi - But also to chronicle the steps of cooking a recipe at home
gbarry -I've found I use it most while traveling, because those are the meal memories I most want to preserve, and the most likely to have different foods than I'm used to.
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi - great idea. i photograph all of the food whenever we eat out, so i already have plenty of material
gbarry - the problem is people eat too fast! I have to stop them while I prep Meal
GrumpyMonkey - @gb yep. i agree with both of those statements!
gbarry - what I need to do is have two phones ready. One with Evernote Hello, so they pass it around and take pictures of themselves, while I catalog the food
GrumpyMonkey - I'll have to think about that chronicling of recipes. i am so lazy, but i really could use a bit more thought in my meal prep.
GrumpyMonkey - @gb lol. that is what the ipad is for!
Naomi - It's also great for digitizing family recipes (that are just in my grandma's head ) and helping me remember any modifications I make to recipes I like to cook
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi another great idea. i could definitely see family members using this.
GrumpyMonkey - so, not knowing anything about how the app works, can i modify notes from within my evernote account (last i checked, i could not with hello notes).
Naomi - No, not currently, but you can edit tags, change notebook location, and delete meals from the main client
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi that is a good start. but, i sure hope they become editable. that is the biggest barrier keeping me from using hello. i have a lot of information i would like to add/edit, and the iphone is less than ideal for that sort of stuff.
Naomi - The meal notes look particularly beautiful though! We spent time designing them so you'd want to preserve and share these memories
gbarry - I'm a fan of the linked page.
Naomi - ah, well the concept of Related Notes might help you here
GrumpyMonkey - good points.
Naomi - if you have a Hello or Food note and create an Evernote note around the same time then we will "relate" that note for you
GrumpyMonkey - that sounds convenient
gbarry - Actually, Food is one of the main reasons I'm looking forward to the new iPhone. I want a better camera to work with when taking shots.
gbarry - have you seen the formatted page, GM? Todd (one of our team members) will hate me, but here's the look: https://www.evernote...002e942e39a2848
GrumpyMonkey - you don't have the 4s? a huge improvement there. thank goodness. i was working with an android phone and an ipod before, and it was just a sad experience.
gbarry - nope, no 4S for me. And we're far along enough in the product lifecycle that I'll just wait it out for the 5.
GrumpyMonkey - thanks gb. great note. i wish i would have used food on my last trip! that would have been great, and it would have made sharing more fun/easier. never been to empire burger (vegetarian), but love breckenridge, and will be out there again next year (if all goes well). good food? i usually travel with carnivores.
GrumpyMonkey - as for the 4s, just a great phone, but i wouldn't get it now either. in fact, evernote on android is doing so well, i'd be tempted to get an android phone
GrumpyMonkey - no food on android yet, right?
gbarry - Empire's great. It's in that big stacked development at the end of Main St. There's a decent Irish pub in the same space too. Not very many veggie options in Breck though... :/
Naomi - We're working on the Android version - stay tuned!
gbarry - we do an annual ski trip, so let me know when you head back out!
Naomi - And, yes, Evernote on Android is awesome
GrumpyMonkey - looking forward to the android app! recently, evernote on mac and ios has been languishing, and you guys are pushing me back to windows and android. love the ipad3, but missing that android app.
GrumpyMonkey - as for breckenridge, we usually go to mi casa (across the street). it has some tasty food I'll keep you updated on my ski plans.
Phil Dean - Hi all
GrumpyMonkey - it would be cool to meet up sometime on the slopes. I'll be the one doing a garage sale on the slopes.
GrumpyMonkey - hey phil!
GrumpyMonkey - garage sale is the right term, i think, for the guy who plants himself in the ground while launching gloves and helmet into the air in a horrible wipeout.
Naomi - Too funny - never heard that term before
GrumpyMonkey - yeah. i think it's also called a yard sale. I am an expert.
gbarry - haha I have never heard that either. Sounds like what happens after a Faceplant.
GrumpyMonkey - love snowboarding, but i have to admit, it isn't my strongest skill.
gbarry - since I board, you kinda have very little to pop off.
GrumpyMonkey - you'd be surprised. i have sent my helmet and goggles flying a couple of times. A friend's camera also took flight -- that didn't end well
GrumpyMonkey - i just gave food a try. It's pretty convenient, syncs well, and i like how it looks.
gbarry - I've become a pretty big fan of Food. It's not just for foodies.
Naomi - agreed! you're capturing whole stories... it's not always just about the food
GrumpyMonkey - I like what you said there Naomi. Maybe if it was more clear to new users how they can tie this into their notes, that might help. I guess i hadn't thought of note linking, even though i use it all the time
GrumpyMonkey - yay! glad to see people here. hi xericx and kmm
Naomi - Hi everyone!
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi and gb i just realized another obvious thing. i can merge notes. i suppose this destroys the functionality of the food note (can't use it in food again), but it does make it possible to edit.
roschler - I just heard a doorbell?
gbarry - I actually haven't tried that yet, with regard to a food note
gbarry - @ roschler: you can disable sounds under the "online users" list at right. We're in an old school IRC chat
roschler - @gbarry, thanks, just did that.
gbarry - what's fascinating is I think documenting your Food when it lands at the table is becoming a pretty normal activity
gbarry - I just happen to be the one at the table with the right application to do it
GrumpyMonkey - @gb good point. i am glad to see i am not the only one photographing food.
gbarry - A few years ago I would have found it odd, but it's becoming pretty standard I think.
Naomi - It's quite common these days!
gbarry - especially with culinary trends (at least US-based) being taken up a notch. It's an offshoot of the "foodie" revolution, or whatever you want to call it.
roschler - Wasn't there an app that could guesstimate calories from a picture of food, to help with diets? Seems like a good tie-in for Evernote Food.
GrumpyMonkey - @all so, here is what i think would be good for users to know. you can take a photo, mark it up, sync it, and then merge it with other notes. this makes it so that you cannot sync "that" note anymore, but the cool thing is that food remembers the original. if you modify that in any way, it will resync, and you have the note again in your account. this is brilliant! if hello works the same way, i'll be using both apps from now on
GrumpyMonkey - @all in other words. food notes are actually easily edited, if you use the merge notes command.
Naomi - Yes, I have seen those calorie tracking apps. Very hard to be accurate though.
gbarry - @roschler: PlateMate? I had to google it. Good article here: http://well.blogs.ny...nting-calories/
Naomi - Thanks @grumpymonkey
GrumpyMonkey - @roschler i get my nutritional information from sparkpeople or off the packaging (if that is what is in front of me). once you have built up a few days worth of these notes, it is just a matter of cut and paste for daily things.
roschler - @gbarry. Thanks. @Naomi, true, makes it easier to cheat on your diet that way though.
gbarry - @GM: so you end up with the original, plus your edited combined note?
GrumpyMonkey - trips are a problem, i suppose, but if you can guesstimate the ingredients, you might be able to at least get an accurate kcal count.
Naomi - Ah yes, those are more accurate if based off of packaging/labels. Some other calorie counts are estimated solely based on an image - much harder!!
GrumpyMonkey - @gb yep. it is pretty cool. now i have both photographs in my account. one is editable, the other is synced with food.
roschler - It would be cool if one of the restaurant chains put QR codes on their menu that Evernote could snap along with a picture of the food, and an Evernote API app would look up the item's (accurate) calorie count from the restaurant chain's database via an API and dump it into your diet plan.
Naomi - Great idea!
GrumpyMonkey - @roschler great idea for a business
gbarry - I smell an idea for ETC
Naomi - yes, me too
GrumpyMonkey - there is a lot of food information out there on the web these days, though, and if you gather it into your evernote account, you can be pretty accurate about quantifying your diet. it isn't perfect, but it gives a good approximation.
gbarry - slip that in with what our Fitness Ambassador does, and it's a pretty decent combo I suspect
roschler - @grumpymonkey. True a good start would be to find restaurants that put their Evernote menus online and then guesstimate the calories from the known ingredients. Heck, even if the menu was in image form you could pop it into Evernote and let our heroes OCR the details out of it.
GrumpyMonkey - i smell a collaboration idea here. anthrochad + naomi = the second evernote fitness challenge: a combination of food + evernote.
GrumpyMonkey - we'll have to figure out a challenge involving skitch, penultimate, and hello at some point.
gbarry - if you're lucky, they already have the calories marked. I've been impressed by how my habits shift based on provided caloric info
Naomi - Whoever can combine ALL Evernote products into the best challenge wins
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi is there an ipad version of food, or did i download the wrong one by mistake?
Naomi - Currently no optimized version for iPad. Question for the group - do you use your iPad to take photos?
roschler - @gbarry. LOL. Evernote Food 2.0. You take a picture of a plate of food at a restaurant, and an animated Richard Simmons screams at you not to eat it if it's too fattening.
GrumpyMonkey - yes. i use the ipad a lot. too bad there is no optimized version. not a big deal, but it would be nice.
Naomi - Ha ha - love richard simmons, what a character
GrumpyMonkey - @roschler you need to develop this one for the trunk! the animation, though, should be the "cool girls" from the local high school. gross! (commercial reference here).
roschler - @GrumpyMonkey - LOL. Good idea.
gbarry - I haven't really used the iPad camera much--it feels a little clunky IMO
Naomi - Wonder how much iPad3 is changing that...
gbarry - GM should know this off the top of his head, how are the camera specs different between the iPad and iPhone.
GrumpyMonkey - @gb not at all! but, that's because i am used to having it out all of the time. iphone is considerably better. as i recall, 5 for the ipad and 8 for the iphone.
roschler - I thought it might be fun to have Evernote buddy meals. People join a buddy group and all go to the same restaurant chain on the same night. The everyone takes pictures of their favorite meals so other people around the globe can order the same thing and chat about it online.
GrumpyMonkey - but, the ipad3 is just so much better than the 1. 5 is plenty for me in most cases.
Naomi - @roschler - very cool! We're doing more community-style events with our ambassadors
GrumpyMonkey - no flash, though, so don't expect to whip out the ipad at a romantic dinner. i have tried. it doesn't get the response from your date that you might expect (if you are a geek).
Naomi -
roschler - @Naomi - love the ambassador concept.
Naomi - I love the buddy meal idea. We're exploring ideas like scavenger hunts, cook alongs, etc.. I'll add buddy meals to the list
gbarry - Hmmm, I wonder what tools we'd use to make that happen...
roschler - The best part is that if people are willing, the online chats could be posted somewhere searchable. Then via GPS on your phone, you could ask for a list of restaurants that have Evernote Food chats associated with it that you could read, before visiting the restaurant.
gbarry - I wonder if this isn't something that could be done through Foursquare?
GrumpyMonkey - @roschler you are full of ideas. if you are not developing stuff now for the trunk, you ought to be!
Naomi - Awesome! Agreed.
Naomi - Do you know of any good tools for managing online chats like that?
roschler - @GrumpyMonkey - Got something coming for DevCup 2 but it's not for Evernote Food. But maybe later.
roschler - @Naomi - how about TweetChats?
Naomi - @roschler - can't wait to hear about it
roschler - http://www.tweetchats.com/
gbarry - We've done some of those with our Ambassador program
roschler - People just have to authorize TweetChats with their Twitter ID, and all chats are tagged with the Chat hash tag (e.g. - #evernote) that are entered by people via the screen. They get to see a running log of all chats made by others, just like here.
gbarry - which for the record, the listing is here: http://evernote.com/community/
GrumpyMonkey - @roschler great news! looking forward to hearing about it.
gbarry - primarily utilizing the #EvernoteLife hashtag, I believe
roschler - @gbarry - Wow, I think the ambassador list has grown since I last checked and that was only a week ago!
GrumpyMonkey - @naomi and all thanks for having this chat. i'll be using food from now on gotta go!
Naomi - It never gets old hearing all of the many ways that people are using Evernote
Naomi - @GM of course - happy to! Please let me know how it works for you
roschler - @GrumpyMonkey - cya.
gbarry - yeah, the Ambassador program is growing. and their events are getting pretty awesome too
gbarry - Alright, we're nearing the end of our Evernote Food Community Chat. If any of our lurkers have questions for Naomi, please ask them now
gbarry - Rest assured, we've got more planned in the future with different topics and ideas, and will continue to do these as a way to reach out directly to users. Gather feedback, create ideas, etc. All about the community.
roschler - Chat's nearly over, that means it's time for dessert.
gbarry - I do believe Naomi is about to grab lunch in Mountain View, so we will let her get to that.
Naomi - I have enjoyed hearing from everyone
Naomi - Thanks for joining
roschler - Great fun, everybody. :0
gbarry - thanks for the ideas roschler, we'll see you out there on the boards, great to have you around and working on the devcup too
Naomi - Agreed! Bye all
roschler - @gbarry - thanks, you too.
gbarry - closing and kicking, cheers.