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#1 jbenson2

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Posted 29 maro 2012 - 11:33

Hmmm....

N vs n makes a big difference

Incorrect search results

Search for Notebook:Politics

Results: 16 notes on EN Windows

Reason: searches all notebooks for words starting with Notebook and Politics


Correct search results

Search for notebook:Politics

Results: 7,939 notes on EN Windows

Reason: searches only my Politics notebook



Using: Evernote for Windows 4.5.4.6497 (235205) Public
OS: Windows 6.1.7601 Service Pack 1

#2 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 12:49

I also see the same order of magnitude difference in the search results on Evernote Web


Search for Notebook:Politics
Results: 7 notes on EN Web

Search for notebook:Politics
Results: 7,940 notes on EN Web
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I could not find any mention of this Capitalization effect in either the Knowledgebase or the Evernote API.

#3 JMichael

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:12

Is this a recent change in EN Win?

Just checked EN Mac 3.0.4 Beta 5 and it is case insensitive: N vs n returns the same results.

I'm starting to develop a concern about Evernote searches.
Over the last few months it seems like more and more issues/bugs/inconsistencies are popping up.

#4 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:31

i don't use the notebook search, because i don't have notebooks! i alao don't use windows much :)

my observations might not be helpful, but i always use lowercase for search grammar, so i guess i never thought of it before.

in this case, i don't share jm's concern. it might just be that they need to explicitly state that search grammar needs to be lowercase. that's all.

as for the notebook attribute, according to the api description:
notebook:[nb name] - will match notes in a notebook with the provided name. This must be the first term in the search. Name matching is case-insensitive. Since notebooks have exclusive relationships with notes, at most one notebook can be provided for the search. If no notebook is given, the search will go over all of the user's active notes.

#5 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:34

JMichael,

When I noticed the problem, I filed a support request.
Evernote suggested I delete the program and re-install. I thought it had fixed the problem but I was mistaken.

This search error is 100% reproducible on any of my notebooks.

Upper case bad (Notebook:xxxxx)

Lower case good (notebook:xxxxx)


Current version: Evernote for Windows 4.5.4.6497 (235205) Public

#6 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:36

JMichael,

When I noticed the problem, I filed a support request.
Evernote suggested I delete the program and re-install. I thought it had fixed the problem but I was mistaken.

This search error is 100% reproducible on any of my notebooks.

Upper case bad (Notebook:xxxxx)

Lower case good (notebook:xxxxx)


Current version: Evernote for Windows 4.5.4.6497 (235205) Public


their advice doesn't make much sense to me, because you reproduced it on the web. it seems to me that the problem is a lack of clarity in the api documentation, not a software or search issue.

#7 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:37

Grumpy Monkey,
You do have a notebook. It is probably named: gumpymonkey's notebook

When I try

Notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" - result is 0 notes (wrong)
notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" - result is 132 notes (correct amount waiting to be moved to other notebooks)
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#8 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:41

their advice doesn't make much sense to me, because you reproduced it on the web. it seems to me that the problem is a lack of clarity in the api documentation, not a software or search issue.


Possibly. But I am wondering why I just caught this search error recently. I actually noticed it with a Saved Search that I use frequently. After spending some time investigating it, I realized that it was much simpler and revolved around the case of first letter of the search term.

#9 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:42

true. it is called "inbox". but, i have no need for the search grammar, because there is only one. you know what i mean!

uh-oh. on the iphone capitalization doesn't matter on the search grammar or the notebook name. i tried a few tests looking for different words. *sigh* it might be time to resurrect my old thread collecting search problems together so we could figure out what is going wrong/inconsistent, and hopefully help the developers make it right. i'll do that tomorrow.

i'll try it out on the ipad and the mac tomorrow as well. maybe this is a windows/web issue.

#10 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 01:49

I turned on the "Show Search Explanation" bar to illustrate Evernote's interpretation of the 2 different searches.
(see link below)

Notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" (0 notes)
vs
notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" (133 notes)


The only difference in the two searches is the case of the first letter in the search term.
http://www.evernote....4316a5ff85d7096

#11 JMichael

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 02:12

Looks like it is a EN Win problem.

Search with upper case "Notebook:" work OK on both EN Mac and EN iPhone.

#12 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 02:19

I feel another uninstall - reboot - reinstall coming down the pike. Sigh.

#13 GrumpyMonkey

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 02:40

I turned on the "Show Search Explanation" bar to illustrate Evernote's interpretation of the 2 different searches.
(see link below)

Notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" (0 notes)
vs
notebook:"jbenson2's notebook" (133 notes)


The only difference in the two searches is the case of the first letter in the search term.
http://www.evernote....4316a5ff85d7096


don't remind me about the loss of our search explanation bar on the mac! such a useful feature (as you showed) scrapped. maybe the developers will see this and resurrect it :)

#14 alan2461

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 03:44

I just wonder why you would ever want to search for a notebook. (I'm guessing I am missing your point).
I have very few notebooks and very few tags and 8000+ notes. I have no trouble finding a specific note I am looking fow with just a keyword search.
I have EN win at work, Mac at home, an iPhone and an iPad.

#15 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 03:50

I just wonder why you would ever want to search for a notebook. (I'm guessing I am missing your point).
I have very few notebooks and very few tags and 8000+ notes. I have no trouble finding a specific note I am looking fow with just a keyword search.
I have EN win at work, Mac at home, an iPhone and an iPad.


That's a good question.

Actually, my original search was much more complicated and involved the selection of a specific notebook with several additional search criteria.
I wanted Evernote to search my Politics notebook, find all notes that contain the word Obamacare, but were not tagged with Universal Health, and did not contain heavy graphics.

The original search (with the incorrect results) was:

Notebook:Politics Obamacare -tag:"Universal Health" -tag:x


The correct results were returned with:

notebook:Politics Obamacare -tag:"Universal Health" -tag:x



To make my point as clear as possible on this forum, I removed all the other criteria that had no impact on the search error.

Upper case bad (Notebook:xxxxx)

Lower case good (notebook:xxxxx)



#16 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 07:45

I'd like to know if this 100% reproducible error is:
  • a bug in Windows Evernote

or

  • a lapse in the Evernote documentation.


#17 jbenson2

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 09:10

To get to the bottom of this, I submitted another Support Request - this one is 16051-83987.

#18 vineetw

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Posted 30 maro 2012 - 09:51

Thanks for the report - ticket #4374 has been filed

#19 jbenson2

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Posted 31 maro 2012 - 02:05

Feedback from Support:

"Thank you so much for the information. I will file a bug with the steps that you have submitted. At this time it is not happening with the Mac client.

Thank you for your continued help! Have a wonderful day!!"







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