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#1 macmac

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 11:49 AM

Is there a way to organize notebooks by stacks on the ipad? On the Mac, notebook stacks are so helpful in organizing my work, but the stacks are lost on ipad. Wading through all the notebooks is difficult and time consuming. Am I missing something? If stacks are not available on the ipad, what have any of you found to help w/ organizing notebooks on the ipad?
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#2 Metrodon

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:30 PM

Stacks aren't currently available on the iPad - I'm sure they will be soon though.....

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Posted 19 November 2011 - 01:32 PM

hi joe. there are no stacks in ios. it is an oft-requested feature. i am sure evernote will get around to it someday.

in my case, though, i generally avoid notebooks, except when i want to view something offline. i find the tags to be a much more efficient way of organizing content. others use a combination of notebooks and tags.

there are a lot of organizational schemes, and if you search around on the forums, you will find that this is a frequent topic of conversation. in general, it is probably good to name notes well (i prefer yymmdd + general -> specific keywords) and use a few different tags (general -> specific). I just made a note this morning titled "111119 journal" and because i talked about a meeting i had with a student yesterday i also used the tags "class" (a general tag for any class taken or taught) and "11his101" (a tag specific for the class meaning 2011 history 101).

when searching, if you use "tag:name" you are able to replicate what a folder view would be without actually having to move a note. combine tag searches and you can be even more precise. i have thousands of notes and i easily find anything i am looking for with one search.

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 03:21 AM

I, too, would like to see Stacks supported in iOS.

I use Awesome Note (AN) for to-do lists in conjunction with Evernote (EN) for synchronization. This adds AN folders as notebooks to EN. On Windows, I can group the AN notebooks into a single stack to keep things neat. But on iOS it becomes somewhat of a wasteland. Sure, I can quickly find something in particular through tags. But sometimes I just want a quick overview of how the stacks, notebooks and notes are organized - especially when I haven't used a certain stack in a while. That's where I find myself waiting until I can get to a workstation client for a clearer perspective.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 04:29 PM

Ya, I would really like to see stacks across the board for mobile devices. I got stack support on my android phone (and its awesome), but for work I use my iPad which still doesn't support stacks. With my current structure its almost impossible to find that I'm looking for with my stacks in place. I understand how to move everything around with nested tags, but frankly that isn't they way I want to work and the tag interface isn't any better on the iOS apps. I love evernote, but I'm really disappointing this feature is taking so long to come around. It seems very fundamental to me.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:00 PM

i am not a big fan of note stacks, but i have to say that if this kind of fundamental organizational feature is available on one platform, it ought to be made available on others. the same argument goes for nested tags.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:16 PM

Evernote's often stated aim is to get all functionality across all platforms - however this is a time consuming process across 14 (i think) platforms. So, Stacks will get to iOS eventually.

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Posted 29 December 2011 - 05:38 PM

I put my vote in for Notebook Stacks on the iPad/iPhone clients. I am in the process of writing a book using Evernote (which is what initially drove my to Evernote) and have become spoiled to what I see on the Mac and Windows. Really would like to have the same functionality on the iPad/iPhone where I do most of my lookups/reference when out of the office. My uses have now expanded to using it a mobile filing cabinet for tax papers and other docs that I now dont have to worrry about where I put it unless I need the original.

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Posted 30 December 2011 - 11:03 PM

Sub-tags would be much more useful than notebook stacks. Tags are more flexible and you can also use tags instead of notebooks.
I personally don't need notebook stacks at all but sub-tags and the ability to copy note links is 2 features I look forward to the most.

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:34 AM

Stacks would actually be more useful. Notebook stacks have functionality: you can use a stack as search context. Nested tags are only for organizational tidiness; there is no semantic carryover from the implied hierarchy.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 06:41 AM

Having said all that I do use evernote on iPad 99% of the time and organize all information there without using sub-tags. It's possible too. There are workarounds.

But it sure would make the whole process a lot better if I could use them. Basically 2 features that I need are sub-tags and to copy note links. Then it's perfect in terms of I wouldn't have to use workarounds. I don't care about notebook stacks. I'm sure even if notebooks stacks are more useful to some people that they could also replace them with tags and sub-tags

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:12 AM

Having said all that I do use evernote on iPad 99% of the time and organize all information there without using sub-tags. It's possible too. There are workarounds.

ROFL

You do keep beating that drum. But, at least it is now muted with a dose of making things work anyway. :)
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 07:22 AM

I do! LOL

#14 jefito

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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:09 PM

I think you'd be pretty much incorrect if you concluded that I haven't thought about the idea of subtags. Plenty of evidence to the contrary in the forums, should you care to search for it.But we're not talking about whether semantically meaningful tag trees would be useful, we're talking about whether stacks should be made available to iOS Evernote clients.

I honestly can't tell if what you're saying describes Evernote as it is today, or the Evernote of your dreams. Or if you're just kidding. Your 'very simple example' sheds no light on the topic, as best I can tell (maybe you use some special meaning of 'simple' of which I was not previously aware). Fact is, I don't see any tags anywhere in your chart. Honestly, your chart reminds me of the ones I see in meetings, which are used to 'prove' that the bosses have thought deeply about some topic (or that their underlings have), and now they have a pretty picture, devoid of actual implementation realities, that they can then point to, and then roll up into a tight bundle and swat you. Yeah, they look great in the PowerPoints, but they slowly sink to the bottom of your stack of project documents when you're actually trying to get the darn thing to work.

Anyways, here in the Evernote of the present-day (50 years down the line, we may all look back and laugh faintly), there really is no intrinsic semantic content inherent in the parent tag / subtag relationship. There are no facilities to connect them together in searching / filtering, as there are with stacks and their contained notebooks, for example. Any semantic content for searching comes from content you add yourself, by making use of naming tricks.

That there could be a semantic connection is of course the subject of occasional hot debate. I'd agree that they could be useful, and to that end, I've even proposed a few concrete suggestions as to how they might be made more useful. But none of that exists today.

But in the context, yes, I would prefer that stacks (which do exist in present-day Evernote) be made available for iOS ciients (bringing them up to par with other clients), rather than waiting for semantically aware tag trees, which do not exist anywhere in Evernote at this time, and which would be a complex undertaking (it's a fundamental change to how tags operate after all, and would affect saved searches, which are persisted across all clients), and which probably wouldn't be available in any near-term time frame.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:14 PM

But in the context, yes, I would prefer that stacks (which do exist in present-day Evernote) be made available for iOS ciients (bringing them up to par with other clients), rather than waiting for semantically aware tag trees, which would be a complex undertaking (it's a fundamental change to how tags operate after all, and would affect saved searches, which are persisted across all clients), and which probably wouldn't be available in any near-term time frame.

Agreed. Client feature parity is a stated current priority at Evernote. Stacks are obviously around to stay and need to get out to all the clients.
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Posted 31 December 2011 - 03:35 PM

OK, so there was a fair amount of shaggy dog before the punch line. -_-
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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:04 PM

Notebook stacks? Sub-tags? Sure. I doubt there is anyone deeply opposed to having either of these on the iPad. The more parity we have across platforms the better. I wouldn't use either of them myself, but I can certainly see why someone would.

Do we really want to argue about which one is more useful? My answer would be neither :)

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:15 PM

Notebook stacks? Sub-tags? Sure. I doubt there is anyone deeply opposed to having either of these on the iPad. The more parity we have across platforms the better. I wouldn't use either of them myself, but I can certainly see why someone would.

Do we really want to argue about which one is more useful? My answer would be neither :)


They aren't equally useful.
Everything you can do with notebooks could also be done with tags (except local storage but you don't need stacks for that). However you can't replace tags with notebooks. So this is why sub-tags would be more useful than notebook stacks.

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Posted 01 January 2012 - 06:34 PM

I don't find sub tags useful. I don't find sub notebooks useful. Hence, my answer: neither.

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Posted 04 January 2012 - 03:38 AM

After giving this topic a lot more thought and looking at all approaches to using tags and sub-tags in evernote which I could think of - I changed my mind about sub-tags and tend to agree with Jefito now.

The more I think about this topic the more I see that stacks aren't all that useful at all considering the way evernote doesn't have true sub-tags and you have to rely on naming conventions to encode hierarchies into tag names and then use search.

Here is an example to explain what I mean

Book
Bk-Fiction
Bk-NonFiction
Bk-Romance
BK-SciFi

To find all books search for tag:Bk* instead of looking in a parent tag "Book"

If evernote treated sub-tags as true sub-tags then whenever you applied Bk-Fiction tag for example all parent tags like "Book" would get applied automatically. In this case sub-tags would've been useful. However the way evernote works currently sub-tags aren't really useful.

You could still apply all parent tags manually but it's just more work compared to using naming conventions. The results would be exactly the same, you're just going to use different ways to find stuff. Applying all parent tags manually gives no benefit and just takes a lot more work.

So you have to use naming conventions. I actually don't see it as a problem at all except sometimes tag names would get too long to be readable on iPad.

As long as you use naming conventions all tags and sub-tags are sorted nicely in the tag list so sub-tag functionality would be useful only to make this list easier to scroll by collapsing some stuff.

I explained why I don't find notebook stacks useful in my above posts.

So the bottom line is after giving this topic a lot more thought I find that stacks aren't really useful at all considering the way evernote currently works.

Real sub-tags would be useful but this would be a different feature request.

Jefito was right on for the most part in his posts in this topic. It'd still be more useful to organize tags in stacks instead of notebooks but that's not the point.

Edited by May, 04 January 2012 - 03:48 AM.






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